No. He means Koreans = non-Koreans when it comes to pure talent. But, Koreans practice a lot more - which is probably true, given the pro gaming system they have in place.

The discussion (either way) is useless. Who cares who has more "talent" (however that may be defined) anyway? It's the results that count.

MyDoom

1274 Posts

October 09 2004 08:33 GMT

#265

http://sc.radioitg.com:8000/

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

October 09 2004 08:36 GMT

#266

one might say that the mental fortitude to practice day in and day out is a great talent

Falc

Sweden110 Posts

October 09 2004 08:36 GMT

#267

they're re-broadcasting midas vs foru for some reason.
lol, wacksteven is asking some guy why they're broadcasting it again :p

BroOd

Austin10831 Posts

October 09 2004 08:37 GMT

#268

On October 09 2004 17:36 Hautamaki wrote:
one might say that the mental fortitude to practice day in and day out is a great talent

One might also say that saying greatly cheapens the word "talent".

Breeze

Bulgaria989 Posts

October 09 2004 08:38 GMT

#269

The top Koreans get tournament games like every week, and the non-koreans have one two day tourney after a whole year of expectations. It's very hard to not snap mentally in such a situation when you are so close to the final, and that's what makes Fisheye's performance from last year and other performances like Slayer winning kbk pretty amazing... I realise that even stronger now just from what I felt when Beast was playing, and I can only imagine what was going on in his and Androide's minds. For Xellos and Midas those are just games like the ones they had last week and the ones they'll have next week. Just because they live in a land where what they do is respected even more than it deserves.

StierKooL

Peru194 Posts

October 09 2004 08:39 GMT

#270

any new replays?

Macak

Canada57 Posts

October 09 2004 08:45 GMT

#271

unfortunately without loosing brackets we can't see how non-koreans can perform compared to other non-koreans, thats sad. The good point is, Foru would probably have finished 3rd

We never had a #1, #2 and #3 korean. Hope it will never happen :D

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

October 09 2004 08:48 GMT

#272

aww, Breeze is so bitter

chin up mate! I was damn happy with Grrrr's performance last year, you should be happy for Beast and proud of what he's accomplished, not saying shit like progamers don't deserve the respect they get in Korea and complaining that foreigners have it tough because of our culture.

But the maps are definately shitty =p=p=p

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

October 09 2004 08:51 GMT

#273

btw Brood, lets see you devote 10 hours of your day to a single goal, subverting every other desire you may have to the solitary need to be the very best in the world at what you do, and then maintain that edge, not for weeks or months, but for years. I tried to be that dedicated to bw, and let me tell you, after about 3 days of 15 games a day, I have to take a week off because it's just too mentally draining. If you think that the ability to be that dedicated to something isn't a special and unique ability (aka talent), there's something wrong with you.

mindspike

Canada1902 Posts

October 09 2004 08:51 GMT

#274

Breeze

practice should matter most
theres no free ride in this world...thats the way it should be

kimseongchan

Korea (South)733 Posts

October 09 2004 08:53 GMT

#275

midas vs androide now!!

Beast_Bg

Bulgaria1623 Posts

October 09 2004 08:58 GMT

#276

To give all some insight of why I lost so fast..
First game I went for 2 fac with armory and from what i scouted i thought he was doing some tank rush.I stopped my scvs once and i had to put 1 more scv so this allowed him to get his tank faster than mine and get it too close to my base.I went 1 fac tanks 1 fac gols ,but i also forgot a supply and this slowed me down a bit too.My plan was to prolly go a 2nd base after I siege 1 tank and move the rax there.But wtf,i thought i returned my rax but suddenly 2 gols come out of his facs and start shooting at the already half hp rax.So i lost my rax ,he had his and I knew my tanks were 8 range vs 12 range and i should change plan asap.I put 2 fac vulcs and was desprerately trying to prevent him from siegeing my tanks without vision on my side sacrificing scvs and moving my army.But my vulcs arrived too late and I had already lost like 2 tanks more and it was gg.

2nd game it was sooo simple.Ive timed my 2 fac gols to get 2 gols at my expo exactly at the time when the vultures get their mines.Well, i put a tank first ,expecting the same way of playing and canceled it like 10 secs later.My gols arrived like 10 secs later than his vulcs(or so i think, i havent seen the replay but thats what i saw with my rax) and I just gave up.I thought he would contain me and went for the port and side expo to try to stop his .But he didnt send even 1 tank to my base, he just defended and I already knew i had lost but continued playing just for the show.Timing is everything.

I thought i wasnt nervous, but losing an scv in my base without even noticing is plain pathetic.
I think i would have done much better in a longer game and mb in gorky or martian where he couldnt beat me with timing.I have a pretty strong game on Kohral usually ,too.See the games vs Artosis and Rif)Ex(who should be at Andro level prolly) and then laugh at me if you feel like.

And yes ,im very lucky this year with the bracket.From the 3 years I feel i was in worse condition this one, and i still got so far.But I had such bad luck 2002 and 2003, that I guess youll forgive me.

Breeze

Bulgaria989 Posts

October 09 2004 08:59 GMT

#277

Yeah btw I meant what mensrea said about the talent. Koreans vs non Koreans 20 something wins to 1 isn't realistic talent wise. The problem I have about practice is that I don't think starcraft is something you should dedicate 8 hours a day every day for many months in a row in order to have a chance at winning. And btw in previous years it was still not the case probably now the game is getting more and more "solved".

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22254 Posts

October 09 2004 09:01 GMT

#278

On October 09 2004 17:58 Beast_Bg wrote:
I thought i wasnt nervous, but losing an scv in my base without even noticing is plain pathetic.

I don't think anyone is going to fault you for being nervous vs Xellos.

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

October 09 2004 09:07 GMT

#279

Breeze, the only way to maybe solve that problem (that I can think of) would be to make new maps for every set of games, and release them only like the day before the match. That might favour the more naturally talented gamers more.

The thing is, once you do something competitive for a job, where you are paid to be better than the next guy, it's just not realistic to expect people to not practice for it 24/7. I know you're no idiot and you know that perfectly well, so I guess you are just against pro-gaming in principle. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is sort of odd for someone with almost 1000 posts on a pro-gaming dedicated site =p

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

October 09 2004 09:08 GMT

#280

Beast, you did an awesome job and I hope you are proud of what you accomplished. Remember the good parts; I bet a lot of people didn't even think you'd get past the round of 32, so great job! All you have to do is beat that wascally russian for a medal, and he got fried even worse by Ddang!