EPTXellos_kr vs [3wd]Christian
Midas[gm] vs Andriod_3d
WCG SemiFinals Shoutcast
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Xellos_kr vs [3wd]Christian Midas[gm] vs Andriod_3d | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:20 Gp.Lao wrote: omfg, i bet no one expected christian to up there gj dude!well,he did have a nice bracket, but congrats on beating this year's revelation | ||
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He said he doubts he can play at 100% vs Xellos because he is too excited after his last victory and he's on 3 redbulls. I lied out of my ass that I think he has done enough and it doesn't matter what he does next  . I think if he calms down and doesn't care he has a better chance than a lot of people think. | ||
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and the performer as well | ||
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They're not showing too much in the way of respect to Beast right now. But lots of enthusiastic energy for the midas v androide match. | ||
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Androide really is looking in prime shape and I think it's possible he could really turn up the upset. I'm just hoping for some games. I bet you a bunch of players will get offers to go to korea ;D. | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:17 mindspike wrote: z won last year... Ya, because the maps used for the qualifiers in Korea favoured Z and T then (the old wcg maps)  | ||
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BTW, Grrrrr elected to use Terran vs Hellghost on Gorky Island last year. I'm sure he did that because he thought it was a perfectly balanced map that toss would be able to compete on with no difficulties, right? | ||
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CAn't they just go up to 24:00 ???? SO MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more simple!! Somebody plz tell me how long it's till the final.. | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:40 Hautamaki wrote: Last year toss won with cheese. There hasn't been much, if any, successful cheesing this year, because all the good players are just too familiar with the maps by now for it to work. Last year, people didn't really the know the maps too well. The only people who I could see had really studied the maps were Grrrrr and Fisheye, because they had a set plan for every situation, which they executed to perfection every time. That's how they rode it to the top. BTW, Grrrrr elected to use Terran vs Hellghost on Gorky Island last year. I'm sure he did that because he thought it was a perfectly balanced map that toss would be able to compete on with no difficulties, right? I am pretty sure you werent complaining about the maps when grrr got 3rd. | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:42 Ziggy(TE) wrote: A question; When is 12:30 PM ???? (Time of final) When you use the AM/PM system, can you go over 12:00 ??? CAn't they just go up to 24:00 ???? SO MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more simple!! Somebody plz tell me how long it's till the final.. 12:30 PM = 12:30 not 00:30 If that was the question | ||
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Xellos vs Beast! | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:42 Ziggy(TE) wrote: A question; When is 12:30 PM ???? (Time of final) When you use the AM/PM system, can you go over 12:00 ??? CAn't they just go up to 24:00 ???? SO MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more simple!! Somebody plz tell me how long it's till the final.. 12:30pm is the same time as 12:30 in the 00:00 - 24:00 system. | ||
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9 beast | ||
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Haha omg he commented on our comments (or some people like us =p) | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:53 nArAnjO wrote: can someone give me link to hear plz??? http://radioitg.com | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:53 nArAnjO wrote: can someone give me link to hear plz??? http://www.radioitg.com/ scroll down to SC live links. Need winamp installed. Clcik on links and shoutcast should start automatically. | ||
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(15:46:43) (mindspike) haha people love u http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=27&topic_id=18756 (15:46:55) (mindspike) theres like a million posts about the shoutcast (16:05:30) (iTG`WCG`SC) thx | ||
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Each time you hear "spidermine"-word, get a drink | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:56 0x64 wrote: The new drinking game: Each time you hear "spidermine"-word, get a drink im drunk already | ||
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yup gg | ||
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xellos 1:0 beast | ||
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T_______________________________________________________________________________T | ||
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Xellos > Beast, no match First game was about 9 minutes | ||
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So cute.. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:00 Ziggy(TE) wrote: arf, so boring, TvTs =((( Maybe the final will be a bit exiting though Xellos > Midas... | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:55 Hautamaki wrote: yah WackStevens has made a lot of progress. I remember last year he was scratching his head when terrans scouted with rax, but now it's a matter of course. Give him a bit more experience, maybe an expert commentator, and he'll be great. I agree. He's no expert by any means, but he does a good job conveying what's going on - which is the essence of what he needs to be doing anyway. He also has a lot of passion. And he needs help in terms of getting another color commentator in there. Doing it all alone is extremely gruelling. GJ WackStevens. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:00 pinbaLL wrote: now he said silent_control played wcg-final last year ~~ He probably mixed zerg with Terran -_- | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:01 Ziggy(TE) wrote: Midias won the Korea WCG, NOT?? Midias > Xellos then, for now.. Right now Xellos 1:0 Christian/Beast Midas 1:0 Andriode | ||
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and i hope he will go #3 ^^ | ||
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Finals will be tomorrow, yes? | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:02 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: dont worry xellos will beat midas if midas beats androide well midas beat xellos 2-0 in korean prelim semis so dont be to sure oO | ||
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Xellos doesn't make mistakes. ^^ | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:04 MyDoom wrote: wcg korea semifinal ==> midas 2 : 0 xellos That's what I'm saying, why are you guys so sure Xellos > Midias?? | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:04 MyDoom wrote: wcg korea semifinal ==> midas 2 : 0 xellos IMO, Xellos' TvT only comes second to Nada. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:04 Cambium wrote: IMO, Xellos' TvT only comes second to Nada. i agree | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:03 Hautamaki wrote: btw what's wrong with saying spidermine? Nothing. Some people are just being juvenile, pedantic assholes. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:06 mensrea wrote: Nothing. Some people are just being juvenile, pedantic assholes. | ||
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tvt is a little random too, I'd think Xellos, Nada, and iloveoov are too close to call. Give Ddang a little more big league experience and he might join that club too. | ||
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So... | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:07 Commander[SB] wrote: what maps this on agian? Korhal | ||
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wcg korea semifinal ==> midas 2:0 xellos | ||
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wcg korea semifinal ==> midas 2:0 xellos | ||
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Heh, it would have been super cool to see Boxer reclaim his title. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:10 Gryffindor_us wrote: Yeah but before WCG nada was 11-0 vs xellos in matches lol. Nono, Xellos won ONE 1-11 I think | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:10 Gryffindor_us wrote: Yeah but before WCG nada was 11-0 vs xellos in matches lol. and be4 that noone would have ever mentioned midas over xellos | ||
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r o f l | ||
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Drop from Beast... and something happened, and beast loses them... | ||
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No Xellos had already beaten Nada 2-0 in the MSL a few weeks before. So going into the prelims it was 11-2 in favor of Nada. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:12 Hautamaki wrote: what do the exps look like? is it even? Xellos ahead? I think it's 2:0 for xellos exp-wise How ironic... | ||
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I really gotta hand it to Beast, I didn't think he'd do half as good as he has. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:13 SickofLife wrote: Beast lost one of his expos, possibly his only. I think Xellos is up in expos. I really gotta hand it to Beast, I didn't think he'd do half as good as he has. Kor-phobic | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:13 Cambium wrote: lmaoI think it's 2:0 for xellos exp-wise How ironic... | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:14 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: lmao Haha, I didn't even get that until I saw you laugh at it. That's funny, though. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:14 shuttlespeed wrote: midas 2-0 Wow, that was fast... | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:14 shuttlespeed wrote: ?! True?midas 2-0 | ||
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TT; Asshole spectators, laughing at him, and whatnot. I think it's more nevousness than anything. | ||
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*gasp* | ||
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XELLOS VS MIDAS IN FINAL! | ||
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Xellos 2:1 Midas, I think. | ||
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2. midas 3. androide | ||
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GoodLuck to all I think andr > beast | ||
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is so fucked up !11!1 1!11 T_T we need a non korean hero !! | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:17 Ziggy(TE) wrote: Omg, that's like so raped =((( 26 mins?? TvTs are suposed to be long! Speaking of long TvT games, that Xellos vs. Sync one was LONG, and xellos lost -_- | ||
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Finals should be some of the best we've seen. Minus the Boxer v Yellow, and Boxer v Elky (which were awesome). | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:17 -Ba`alzamon- wrote: grrrrr would be funnier see androide in the final, yeye Lol, so the finals would last 40 min? | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:17 NuclearAntelope wrote: i thought that xellos raped beast fast, but then i discovered that midas had already 2-0'd androide even faster than that...incredible I don't think XellOs went all out on Beast the second game, he wanted a secure victory. | ||
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They might not even go that long, had he gotten there. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:17 cava wrote: andriod isnt third yet they have a third/forth place game dont they? We are assuming that Andriode > Beast The match is on tomorrow at 1pm eastern. | ||
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testie is the only guy to take a game off the koreans.. | ||
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28 -1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow | ||
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I tend to think oov > nada > xellos then Sync who is known for his tvz owns oov all the time (5-1 vs oov, i think) GOGO Xellos | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:19 iOi wrote: I missed something for sure..didn't see people talking about midas vs androide huhu there is nothing worth to talk imo. just some brief rapes | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:22 Breeze wrote: I'm happy that Beast is in top 4, but as a whole this year was kinda bad for BW, seems like practice is all that matters now, talent is secondary... koreans lost just one game (foru vs testie) Not to take anything away from Beast but he did get some relatively easy brackets... he's a great gamer but I wouldn't consider him top 4 at all. I probably sound like a dick saying that but it's not supposed to come out that way. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:22 darknessteve wrote: tvt is all about the matchup. I tend to think oov > nada > xellos then Sync who is known for his tvz owns oov all the time (5-1 vs oov, i think) GOGO Xellos i personally think they all = | ||
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The problem is, korean are paid and not the non-korean, so kinda hard to practice 10 hours/day only for WCG. | ||
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On October 09 2004 17:22 Breeze wrote: I'm happy that Beast is in top 4, but as a whole this year was kinda bad for BW, seems like practice is all that matters now, talent is secondary... koreans lost just one game (foru vs testie) you mean korean gamers have less talent than foreign gamers? | ||
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On October 09 2004 16:37 mdb wrote: Beast > Koreans zuahahaha. this is the voice of the crowd who had watch the game of beast vs xellos after games. enough | ||
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replay shoutcast! tune in again folks! | ||
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the WCG music just ended and hes back commentating played games, more SC !!! =) edit - you guys are too fast. i posted that the second i heard it >.<! yeay! | ||
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mensrea
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On October 09 2004 17:25 Farahgrim wrote: I like this commentator. His enthusiasm and humor are both great. I don't sympathise with anyone complaining about his abilities to comment on the games. I Looked at some of the things written in the #teamliquid channel on irc and I swear it was a god damned kindergarten over there. There was so much petty whining and complaining going on over there I swear had I the power to ban people 90% of those who typed in the main window would be gone. If I had a penny for every sentence of spam the teenagers overthere were writing chances are I'd be a rich man now. [Just re-posting what I posted earlier in response to a comment made by Hautamaki in support of the shoutcasting] I agree. He's no expert by any means, but he does a good job conveying what's going on - which is the essence of what he needs to be doing anyway. He also has a lot of passion. And he needs help in terms of getting another color commentator in there. Doing it all alone is extremely gruelling. GJ WackStevens. | ||
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
I lost it | ||
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GooDGaMe
United States989 Posts
.I think Androide > Beast for third place. =] | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On October 09 2004 17:26 likeboxer wrote: you mean korean gamers have less talent than foreign gamers? No. He means Koreans = non-Koreans when it comes to pure talent. But, Koreans practice a lot more - which is probably true, given the pro gaming system they have in place. The discussion (either way) is useless. Who cares who has more "talent" (however that may be defined) anyway? It's the results that count. | ||
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MyDoom
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Hautamaki
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Falc
Sweden110 Posts
lol, wacksteven is asking some guy why they're broadcasting it again :p | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On October 09 2004 17:36 Hautamaki wrote: one might say that the mental fortitude to practice day in and day out is a great talent One might also say that saying greatly cheapens the word "talent". | ||
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Breeze
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StierKooL
Peru194 Posts
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Macak
Canada57 Posts
We never had a #1, #2 and #3 korean. Hope it will never happen :D | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
chin up mate! I was damn happy with Grrrr's performance last year, you should be happy for Beast and proud of what he's accomplished, not saying shit like progamers don't deserve the respect they get in Korea and complaining that foreigners have it tough because of our culture. But the maps are definately shitty =p=p=p | ||
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mindspike
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practice should matter most theres no free ride in this world...thats the way it should be | ||
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kimseongchan
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
First game I went for 2 fac with armory and from what i scouted i thought he was doing some tank rush.I stopped my scvs once and i had to put 1 more scv so this allowed him to get his tank faster than mine and get it too close to my base.I went 1 fac tanks 1 fac gols ,but i also forgot a supply and this slowed me down a bit too.My plan was to prolly go a 2nd base after I siege 1 tank and move the rax there.But wtf,i thought i returned my rax but suddenly 2 gols come out of his facs and start shooting at the already half hp rax.So i lost my rax ,he had his and I knew my tanks were 8 range vs 12 range and i should change plan asap.I put 2 fac vulcs and was desprerately trying to prevent him from siegeing my tanks without vision on my side sacrificing scvs and moving my army.But my vulcs arrived too late and I had already lost like 2 tanks more and it was gg. 2nd game it was sooo simple.Ive timed my 2 fac gols to get 2 gols at my expo exactly at the time when the vultures get their mines.Well, i put a tank first ,expecting the same way of playing and canceled it like 10 secs later.My gols arrived like 10 secs later than his vulcs(or so i think, i havent seen the replay but thats what i saw with my rax) and I just gave up.I thought he would contain me and went for the port and side expo to try to stop his .But he didnt send even 1 tank to my base, he just defended and I already knew i had lost but continued playing just for the show.Timing is everything. I thought i wasnt nervous, but losing an scv in my base without even noticing is plain pathetic. I think i would have done much better in a longer game and mb in gorky or martian where he couldnt beat me with timing.I have a pretty strong game on Kohral usually ,too.See the games vs Artosis and Rif)Ex(who should be at Andro level prolly) and then laugh at me if you feel like. And yes ,im very lucky this year with the bracket.From the 3 years I feel i was in worse condition this one, and i still got so far.But I had such bad luck 2002 and 2003, that I guess youll forgive me. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On October 09 2004 17:58 Beast_Bg wrote: I thought i wasnt nervous, but losing an scv in my base without even noticing is plain pathetic. I don't think anyone is going to fault you for being nervous vs Xellos. | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
The thing is, once you do something competitive for a job, where you are paid to be better than the next guy, it's just not realistic to expect people to not practice for it 24/7. I know you're no idiot and you know that perfectly well, so I guess you are just against pro-gaming in principle. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is sort of odd for someone with almost 1000 posts on a pro-gaming dedicated site =p | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Really good job! | ||
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Beast_Bg
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Berg_zerg
Germany294 Posts
Man what do you expect ? that everybody laughs at you cause you got owned by Xellos ? Imo it was absolutely clear from the very beginning that no non-korean had a chance to give xellos a real competition. Xellos is playing Tournaments with much higher skill than WCg every week ! So its just normal the he onws everybody @wcg except Midas and Foru "I don't think anyone is going to fault you for being nervous vs Xellos" i second that. And its not so important who got #3 or #4 or anything except #1 and #2 you played a great tournament and the Koreans owned. thats all about it | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
Good job on advancing so far. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On October 09 2004 18:11 FrozenArbiter wrote: Beast, I thought you were a bit cocky before this tournament but this was really quite impressive I think Really good job! Heh ,i think this was the WCG which i entered with least expectations and least training.Only thing was I was constantly reminding my fellow non-koreans at the WCG that Im the best TvT player outside Korea and Im quite confident at that(I think the 3 russians are the other good TvT players).I got incredible luck this year.If I had it 2002 or 2003 where I was much better in comparison with the rest I could have played final.(especially 2003 ,where just getting out of the group 2nd was a bracket easier than this year). Im actually a bit surprised I played TvZ that good vs RRB, who raped Elky and Veg.I thought I have no chance in a normal game, since i hadnt played TvZ in like a month ,thinking i wont need it.But after failing my unorthodox strat on kohral(again timing is everything) I tried playing solid and raped him. P.S. Im sure I could have done much better in the semifinal If i had managed to get my front expo running on Kohral or played Gorky(you start in midgame there,its just strategy) or Martian(i had an incredible strat).I wasnt confident at Dahlia though.I guess thats why the koreans were choosing Dahlia for TvT.Its easier to play vs amateurs on it since its mostly timing and they suck at it.If you contain, you win. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
On October 09 2004 17:51 Hautamaki wrote: btw Brood, lets see you devote 10 hours of your day to a single goal, subverting every other desire you may have to the solitary need to be the very best in the world at what you do, and then maintain that edge, not for weeks or months, but for years. I tried to be that dedicated to bw, and let me tell you, after about 3 days of 15 games a day, I have to take a week off because it's just too mentally draining. If you think that the ability to be that dedicated to something isn't a special and unique ability (aka talent), there's something wrong with you. I'm not trying to start an arguement here, but I must say, I'm not quite sure you understand the nature of the word talent. You do a fair job defeating yourself when you say it's a unique ability, even though we're talking about a comparatively large group of people (Koreans). Willpower and determination, althought admirable characteristics, are not suitable subsitutes for talent. I would venture that their ability to practice to much is more a product of their environment than any innate ability. Korean culture is far more conducive to starcraft players than any other in the world, so it's no large wonder that the dedication and relentless drive they bring to their practicing is singular. Talent should be a word reserved for those who have shown ability not through sheer repetition but by seemingly divine will. I could practice Starcraft every day for the next 30 years, and I would be no more talented than I am now. I would be more technically proficient, but my innate, inborn ability would not have changed. That is the nature of talent. I am in no way saying that anyone in particular is untalented, but that talent should be measured the right way. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
! ) you're still the man! | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
I guess the saying is true -genius is 30% talant, 70% practice. | ||
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Bulgaria1623 Posts
On October 09 2004 18:24 Hautamaki wrote: Beast, I've heard that all the players get 500 bucks just for showing up. Can you verify that? Also, are there any cash prizes beyond just top 3? Like for example, is there a bonus for getting out of groups, or for getting to quarters, or whatever? Nah ,this is BS.You get a prize ,worth 1000$ for 4th place ,though and 700 for top8.Not sure if its the exact sum though. | ||
Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
2nd 15k 3rd 5k 5-8 is prizes of up to1k in stuff (supposedly) i think thats right | ||
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If you are willing to call all of the first things talent, I don't see why the last thing shouldn't be a talent too. It's not as though there aren't Korean progamers who just practice harder and are more dedicated than others. Why not say they have their own unique talent as well? It's really just semantics, but I feel like when you are calling all the other things a talent, but not determination and will power, you are cheapening and disrespecting that aspect of being a great player. I've played provincial level sports, and believe me when I say that any coach I've ever had would trade in every exceptionally talented player for an exceptionally hardworking and determined player any day of the week. | ||
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ItchReliever
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and btw beast, congrats for getting so far! just unfortunate you didn't give xellos a harder time. | ||
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Berg_zerg
Germany294 Posts
As i started starcraft the first site i got in contact with was starcraftgamers.com. And the first threads i got in contact with have been massive flame threads vs Fisheye. (this was after he won vs elky in WCG 2003) the majority of the swedish broodwar comunity said that fisheye was a lucky noob. After Fisheye got #2 nd in WCG 2003 it seemed that the whole starcraftgamers.com community(not only swedish people) considererd Fisheye an unskilled bastard with a very lucky draw. but i think nothing similar will happen to beast | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
.And I still think I can beat him if I play my best.Its just its very hard to play your best in a tourney. | ||
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On October 09 2004 18:31 ItchReliever wrote: so brood, what's the point of your rambling? are you trying to discredit the koreans for their starcraft skills or what? I wasn't "rambling", I was replying, and the last sentence should have made it clear that I was making no value judgements on anyone, simply talking in generalizations to illustrate a particular point. I believe Koreans are at the top because they have a great mixture of talent AND practice. | ||
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On October 09 2004 18:50 Beast_Bg wrote: Cmon..5 or 10 times more than progamers?Like 70-140 hours a day or what ? I'm not talking about a daily comparison to a progamer's schedule, but you have to consider there have been people playing the game consistantly since it came out, who have played thousands upon thousands of games, and they still couldn't hold a candle to even a new, up and coming progamer. | ||
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United States1610 Posts
On October 09 2004 18:33 Beast_Bg wrote: Heh, I were saying I would be able to beat Xellos before that,not just give him a harder time ,so i guess i was cocky enough .And I still think I can beat him if I play my best.Its just its very hard to play your best in a tourney.This post is very deep and reveals the closest thing to the truth. He feels he can beat Xellos, but it's impossible because Xellos is used to big tourneys like these where there is tons of pressure. And like Manifesto says Xellos seems more calm playing in these big games then in an interview. The difference is the tourney experience. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On October 09 2004 18:54 BroOd wrote: Well, play the computer 30000 games, then well talk.I'm not talking about a daily comparison to a progamer's schedule, but you have to consider there have been people playing the game consistantly since it came out, who have played thousands upon thousands of games, and they still couldn't hold a candle to even a new, up and coming progamer. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On October 09 2004 18:54 BroOd wrote: I'm not talking about a daily comparison to a progamer's schedule, but you have to consider there have been people playing the game consistantly since it came out, who have played thousands upon thousands of games, and they still couldn't hold a candle to even a new, up and coming progamer. no your post is just... wrong i don't know anyone who has competitively played bw that much doubt you do either it's not like most progamers just started playing bw when they become pros | ||
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Austin10831 Posts
On October 09 2004 19:21 travis wrote: no your post is just... wrong i don't know anyone who has competitively played bw that much doubt you do either it's not like most progamers just started playing bw when they become pros So what you're saying is, the only people in the world who've played more games than some of the newer progamers, are the older progamers? What about [[RaCe]]ZZang? | ||
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Hautamaki
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When I played football and wrestled provincially, I was always one of the hardest working and most dedicated members on my respected teams. I was not very talented or physically gifted compared to many of the born athletes on my teams, but I held my own through the sheer force of will. Yet, I do not even compare to the amount of willpower and dedication and focus that Korean pro's have. I was willing to go the extra mile during practices, and give my 100% effort until I was puking on the fields, play hurt and never give up and all that jazz, but I only had to do that for a few hours every second day or so. When it comes to playing SC, I cannot force myself to put in the extra effort, even when I had damn good reasons and circumstances to do it in. Compared to the average joe on the street, I have way more heart and determination, but compared to the best of the best in SC, I'm sub par. I have practiced hard to place in tournies or join certain teams or represent my country or clan to the best of my ability in a number of competitions, but I can only maintain it for a week at the very most before I get completely turned off of SC. Even when there was money on the line, I was never able to force myself to practice for more than a few games every day for any period of time. I don't look at myself and say "wow, I must have a shitload of natural talent at this game because I can beat or compete with people who probably play way more than me." I look at myself and say "goddamn, I am never going to get anywhere with SC until I can get my shit together and start playing for real. I was at my computer for 10 straight hours tonight, but I only played 3 games of SC. What the fuck is wrong with me!!" | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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im saying that in order to have played 5x more games than yellow, boxer, etc you would have had to play 24 hours a day since starcraft beta i think you underestimate how much alot of these ppl have played until 7 months ago i had played consistently since starcraft came out(though not competitively until about 1 year after bw was released) i couldnt hold a candle to progamers but its only because A.)they still practiced more than me and B.)they had better training | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On October 09 2004 20:03 Beast_Bg wrote: Weird that every time i argue with someone(live) it ends up as the "is there talant" question.I can only say 1 thing.The world is made out of willpower. agreed | ||
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