- You lead the team's victory with your 3 kill. ▲ I could have performed an all-kill but my concentration lapsed at the end so it's disappointing. However I'm thankful Jaehoon used the opportunity to record a win. It's disappointing not to get an all-kill but it's nice to win together with a team mate.
- You played at 0-2. ▲ I had confidence playing on that map but because it was the first game, my hand didn't move as freely. Fortunately I had big advantage at the beginning so I managed to win.
- You'd be disappointed on your loss to Fantasy. ▲ I was disappointed to play Fantasy because I wanted to face Bisu. I expected a difficult game since Fantasy had a lot practice on Fortress before and so it proved so. I had the advantage at the beginning yet I lost so I'm embarrassed by that. I'm sorry to my fans.
- Your Winner's League form is good. ▲ It's better than previous Winner's League but the fact I always pick a loss is a problem. It's true that the maps don't favor Terran but if I put more effort in I can record an all-kill
- Protoss are the majority to all-kill. ▲ I think it's due to the maps. It's easier to be sniped this season so it's hard to all-kill (as Terran). I wish there are maps like MoonGlaive or Tornado.
- Targets for Winner's League? ▲ I finished with 28 wins last season and I have 18 so far this season. Because my form is good I want to surpass what I had last season.
- Anything else you want to say? ▲ I had fight with Jaehoon few days ago. So I didn't speak to him for 4,5 days. We were both cross with each other but I'm really happy to win with him and even happier with his 1 kill than my 3 kill. I want all of my teams mates to do well. Finally, the game finished way too late which is tiring. I'd appreciate it if this was accommodated for.
- Thoughts on wrapping up today's last game? ▲ I was full of confidence and expected I would win easily but I was more nervous than I thought so the game was hard. I'm just satisfied with the win.
- Sea performed 3 kill before you ▲ We were losing 0-2 and thought we could be all-killed but Sea managed 3 wins. Sea was so good I didn't think my turn would come. Unfortunately he lost to Fantasy so I had my chance. I prepared for this game so I didn't have any problems coming on.
- How was your game today? ▲ It was a game I could have won easily but because I was playing too safe it didn't progress smoothly. I will have to fix this through practice.
- Last time, you performed 3 kill and was subsequently all killed. ▲ I expected our team would be victorious but Stork was so good.
- Any targets for Winner's League? ▲ In rounds 3 and 4 I want to get 16 wins. I'll be satisfied with 8 wins per round.
- Anything else you want to say? ▲ I played as ace today and won so I want to thank the coaching team. Next time I want to appear as lead and get an all-kill.
Hopefully SKT will send Kwanro in 1st game. But I have a feeling that it's gonna be either soO or Hyuk instead of Kwanro. Anyways 1st game is autoloss for T1 as usual and than all-kill or triple kill!
LoL at the polls... BIsu is even a team. Reminds me of the polls from some korean sites where Bisu is included even in the best terrans and the best maps polls lmao.
On January 18 2011 07:49 SkelA wrote: LoL at the polls... BIsu is even a team. Reminds me of the polls from some korean sites where Bisu is included even in the best terrans and the best maps polls lmao.
Anyways SKT got this ez
I am reasonably sure that you are referring to the FOMOS voting that someone on Teamliquid photoshopped.
Set 1: La Mancha Kwanro vs Jaehoon MBC sends out Jaehoon to try to get an easy +1 and hopefully snipe one of T1's better players, but fails.
Set 2: Benzene Kwanro vs Light Knowing that T1's best zerg is out, MBC sends out Light to decimate him.
Set 3: Icarus BeSt vs Light T1 sends the macro PvT monster out to take out the TvP disappointer
Set 4: Circuit Breaker BeSt vs HyuN Not wanting to feed another terran to Best, wanting to save Sea to take out Fantasy or Bisu, and not having faith in Pusan or Tyson to take out Best, MBC sends a zerg in hopes that he can ride Best's lack of understanding in the PvZ matchup to victory (and it works!)
Set 5: Aztec Bisu vs HyuN Seeing an easy win, Bisu is sent out to embarrass Hyun
Set 6: Fortress Bisu vs Sea Of course, knowing Bisu is lacking PvT, and Sea being the most solid character left (as if there was anyone else besides Light), Sea comes out and shows Bisu what he is still lacking (*sigh*.. /bisu fanboyism)
Set 7: Bloody Ridge Fantasy vs Sea And inevitably, Fantasy come to save the day (hopefully)
At least, I think that would be an exciting back and forth series :D SKT1 FIGHTING!!
On January 18 2011 07:49 SkelA wrote: LoL at the polls... BIsu is even a team. Reminds me of the polls from some korean sites where Bisu is included even in the best terrans and the best maps polls lmao.
SKT will start up with a rookie today to get some playtime. If a terran is sent first by mbc and wins it then Fatnasy or Soo will be sent to snipe. If its a zerg and he wins then Bisu will be sent in the second set, opening the chance for a third allkill. If its a Toss who opens first then Fantast will probably sent out on the second set. Best will be saved in case he is needed against Sea.
Dont people remember the last time that Bisu played Sea, he destroyed him? And no Im not ignoring the smackdown that Sea gave Bisu during Bigfile MSL but Bisu's PvT has improved greatly since then.
On January 18 2011 09:56 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Dont people remember the last time that Bisu played Sea, he destroyed him? And no Im not ignoring the smackdown that Sea gave Bisu during Bigfile MSL but Bisu's PvT has improved greatly since then.
I would love it :-)
Just not counting on it. If he took sea apart, I would start having even more confidence in his vT. His game vs flash I don't think was as bad as people made it seem, he just didn't make enough units while setting up his HUGE economic lead. If he could've held that attack he would have won - /end rant
On January 18 2011 09:56 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Dont people remember the last time that Bisu played Sea, he destroyed him? And no Im not ignoring the smackdown that Sea gave Bisu during Bigfile MSL but Bisu's PvT has improved greatly since then.
I would love it :-)
Just not counting on it. If he took sea apart, I would start having even more confidence in his vT. His game vs flash I don't think was as bad as people made it seem, he just didn't make enough units while setting up his HUGE economic lead. If he could've held that attack he would have won - /end rant
Still rooting for bisu tho
Imo, his loss to Flash came down to a single critical error in that he didn't use his arbiters as effectively as he could have when Flash moved out. Those extra forces and the stasis used up during the recall could've probably stalled Flash enough to get out enough waves of units to eventually break the ball.
On January 18 2011 09:56 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Dont people remember the last time that Bisu played Sea, he destroyed him? And no Im not ignoring the smackdown that Sea gave Bisu during Bigfile MSL but Bisu's PvT has improved greatly since then.
I would love it :-)
Just not counting on it. If he took sea apart, I would start having even more confidence in his vT. His game vs flash I don't think was as bad as people made it seem, he just didn't make enough units while setting up his HUGE economic lead. If he could've held that attack he would have won - /end rant
Still rooting for bisu tho
Imo, his loss to Flash came down to a single critical error in that he didn't use his arbiters as effectively as he could have when Flash moved out. Those extra forces and the stasis used up during the recall could've probably stalled Flash enough to get out enough waves of units to eventually break the ball.
On January 18 2011 07:49 SkelA wrote: LoL at the polls... BIsu is even a team. Reminds me of the polls from some korean sites where Bisu is included even in the best terrans and the best maps polls lmao.
Anyways SKT got this ez
I am reasonably sure that you are referring to the FOMOS voting that someone on Teamliquid photoshopped.
Well I didnt know that was a joke but I can see why someone would do that ROFL ( see polls lol )
On January 18 2011 07:49 SkelA wrote: LoL at the polls... BIsu is even a team. Reminds me of the polls from some korean sites where Bisu is included even in the best terrans and the best maps polls lmao.
Anyways SKT got this ez
I am reasonably sure that you are referring to the FOMOS voting that someone on Teamliquid photoshopped.
Well I didnt know that was a joke but I can see why someone would do that ROFL ( see polls lol )
On January 18 2011 10:12 baubo wrote: People are forgetting the most important question here. Is there anyone on T1 who can stop the unstoppable force that is Jaehoon?
I don't believe so. Jaehoon > Fantasy, Best, Bisu, random T1 zerg
MBC may decide to toy around and send the likes of Sea or Light or Han first. But when they decide to get serious and send Jaehoon, T1 has no chance.
Why o why do I keep seeing people say Bisu has a bad pvt? He doesn't. It's his worst match up but it's still very good. Hes currently ranked 4th ELO behind storku, best and snow.
In a BoX I can't see him losing, right now, to any Terrans other than Flash and Fanta.
So please stop the 'Oh no Bisu sucks vT!!' urban legend. This Bisu is a monster. He's a nerd destroyer. He is a Protoss Baller.
On January 18 2011 11:32 Mascherano wrote: Why o why do I keep seeing people say Bisu has a bad pvt? He doesn't. It's his worst match up but it's still very good. Hes currently ranked 4th ELO behind storku, best and snow.
In a BoX I can't see him losing, right now, to any Terrans other than Flash and Fanta.
So please stop the 'Oh no Bisu sucks vT!!' urban legend. This Bisu is a monster. He's a nerd destroyer. He is a Protoss Baller.
remember your words,after losing versus Sea i will waiting you.
On January 18 2011 11:32 Mascherano wrote: Why o why do I keep seeing people say Bisu has a bad pvt? He doesn't. It's his worst match up but it's still very good. Hes currently ranked 4th ELO behind storku, best and snow.
In a BoX I can't see him losing, right now, to any Terrans other than Flash and Fanta.
So please stop the 'Oh no Bisu sucks vT!!' urban legend. This Bisu is a monster. He's a nerd destroyer. He is a Protoss Baller.
Um Did you forget that Flash has a better vs T? Jaedong has a better vs T? Skyhigh? Fantasy? Sea? He's currently 9th vs T.
A FRO KILL!! Get it cause it's like a four kill but afro ^__^;
Honestly, though, I really can't see Bisu not making anything come out of this game, in all likelihood he might just AK again, since he has nothing else to practice for.
On January 18 2011 11:32 Mascherano wrote: Why o why do I keep seeing people say Bisu has a bad pvt? He doesn't. It's his worst match up but it's still very good. Hes currently ranked 4th ELO behind storku, best and snow.
In a BoX I can't see him losing, right now, to any Terrans other than Flash and Fanta.
So please stop the 'Oh no Bisu sucks vT!!' urban legend. This Bisu is a monster. He's a nerd destroyer. He is a Protoss Baller.
Um Did you forget that Flash has a better vs T? Jaedong has a better vs T? Skyhigh? Fantasy? Sea? He's currently 9th vs T.
On January 18 2011 11:32 Mascherano wrote: Why o why do I keep seeing people say Bisu has a bad pvt? He doesn't. It's his worst match up but it's still very good. Hes currently ranked 4th ELO behind storku, best and snow.
It has to do with his play, not with the numbers. There are glaring holes in his play like the distinct lack of ever using HTs in his PvT (which has always been peculiar--given his extremely strong HT usage in PvZ and PvP).
Against weaker players, he can ride his superior fundamentals to a win, but a weakness like that is dangerously exploitable by stronger Terrans.
Even if FanTaSy has to practice for his OSL Finals Series, he's pretty much already got two amazing Protoss players to practice with and a few decent others under his belt. I doubt any Protoss on MBC would give FanTaSy any sort of challenge.
On January 18 2011 13:38 Roffles wrote: Man, Jaehoon better not AK. That guy is just flat out awful. Reminds me of an in prime Rock. Hilariously bad, but somehow wins games.
You know, it's funny how everyone labels him as "failtoss" and says things like "hilariously bad", and yet Jaehoon has actually done very well this year. He has a winning PL record, almost AKed Samsung and made the MSL this year, almost getting through to the next round. That "hilariously bad" toss also almost beat Stork yesterday.
Haters gonna hate, I get that. Hopefully Jaehoon keeps proving you wrong.
Vulture poke into the main and try to mine the gateways, but cleaned out without loses by Dragoons. Sun setting up more and more gates. At this rate, he's just going to macro roll Light.
Vessel tries to emp an arbiter but just sits there and gets mauled by goons instead.
Vulture try to raid 6 again but the pylon wall holds strong.
Carriers out for Sun now. Light pushing his tanks closer and closer to the Protoss Main... His mech is 2-2 now. Is he just going to roll with a huge mech deathball?
6 carriers clean out the middle and head to 12 unsupported. Light has taken 3 and is trying to set up 1. Goliaths and tanks head to 6 instead of defending. They break the pylon wall and then then face the carriers which were recalled.
Some carriers are low on health, but some nice statis freezes nearly all of the Goliaths. Small Protoss ground force mauling 12 now.
Stargates are no longer producing. Goliath attrition is starting to take its toll on the carriers. 6 being cleaned out by Goliaths. But Sun still has 3 mining bases to Light's 1.
Cute statis by arbiter to win a 1v1 battle with a Goliath, lol.
guess seeing how my poker site is down and the only stream showing the other game is ustream, i'll watch this even though skt have basically already won
On January 18 2011 19:39 ]343[ wrote: and here we see that most of the people with SKT tags are really just bisu fans
You don't need to be a Bisu fan to hope that your favorite team will AK three times back to back with their star players. That's what every SKT fan should hope
How are zergs suddenly so abysmal at blocking this sort of attack. Last season, protoss players would look pathetic and lose their whole army without doing anything.
These days, a single attack basically finishes the game.
Sairs come flying into Hyun's expo at 10 and start popping ovies, his small force of an archon + a DT + some zealots also come in and start destroying everything, ahhh blood and chaos everywhere!!
Now a bunch of zealots are killing that hatchery at 9 again...
On January 18 2011 19:59 moktira wrote: This kid's on fire, he makes mistakes but I've seen some really nice play from him this season
Yeah, I agree. Coach Park has given him a lot of opportunities to shine, and for the most part he's done exactly that. The kid's clearly more than just a PvP sniper.
On January 18 2011 19:56 Womwomwom wrote: How are zergs suddenly so abysmal at blocking this sort of attack. Last season, protoss players would look pathetic and lose their whole army without doing anything.
These days, a single attack basically finishes the game.
I guess zergs are still trying to find a proper defense vs the speedlot/+1attack timing attack in the early stage of the game which is so popular this season. And especially mediocre zergs struggle with it.
On January 18 2011 19:56 Womwomwom wrote: How are zergs suddenly so abysmal at blocking this sort of attack. Last season, protoss players would look pathetic and lose their whole army without doing anything.
These days, a single attack basically finishes the game.
I guess zergs are still trying to find a proper defense vs the speedlot/+1attack timing attack in the early stage of the game which is so popular this season. And especially mediocre zergs struggle with it.
On January 18 2011 19:59 moktira wrote: This kid's on fire, he makes mistakes but I've seen some really nice play from him this season
Yeah, I agree. Coach Park has given him a lot of opportunities to shine, and for the most part he's done exactly that. The kid's clearly more than just a PvP sniper.
Yeah he has given him a lot of opportunities this season and considering how deep the current SKT lineup is he must be doing something right in practice to merit it. I think it's great to see how much chances he's been given, after he lost in their last game I was worried I wouldn't see him again for a while, he's the player I'm watching most this season anyway.
On January 18 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On January 18 2011 19:59 moktira wrote: This kid's on fire, he makes mistakes but I've seen some really nice play from him this season
Yeah, I agree. Coach Park has given him a lot of opportunities to shine, and for the most part he's done exactly that. The kid's clearly more than just a PvP sniper.
Yeah he has given him a lot of opportunities this season and considering how deep the current SKT lineup is he must be doing something right in practice to merit it. I think it's great to see how much chances he's been given, after he lost in their last game I was worried I wouldn't see him again for a while, he's the player I'm watching most this season anyway.
Like you I've really enjoyed watching the "rookies" getting more game time. I'd love to see more of Sun, Ssak and Paralyze. The prob is SKT is so deep. If anything I think Coach Park has erred on the side of giving these players more game time than even they could've dreamed of.
On January 18 2011 20:03 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On January 18 2011 19:59 moktira wrote: This kid's on fire, he makes mistakes but I've seen some really nice play from him this season
Yeah, I agree. Coach Park has given him a lot of opportunities to shine, and for the most part he's done exactly that. The kid's clearly more than just a PvP sniper.
Yeah he has given him a lot of opportunities this season and considering how deep the current SKT lineup is he must be doing something right in practice to merit it. I think it's great to see how much chances he's been given, after he lost in their last game I was worried I wouldn't see him again for a while, he's the player I'm watching most this season anyway.
Like you I've really enjoyed watching the "rookies" getting more game time. I'd love to see more of Sun, Ssak and Paralyze. The prob is SKT is so deep. If anything I think Coach Park has erred on the side of giving these players more game time than even they could've dreamed of.
I'll reply while it's lagging, I think it's great how much time he's given Sun and ssak anyway, the best of 7 allows for more opportunities for rookies, he's only played Paralyze once though
On January 18 2011 20:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
Like you I've really enjoyed watching the "rookies" getting more game time. I'd love to see more of Sun, Ssak and Paralyze. The prob is SKT is so deep. If anything I think Coach Park has erred on the side of giving these players more game time than even they could've dreamed of.
this, if bisu/fantasy/best all went to sc2 tomorrow skt would still be at least mid table
Sun got the doomzoom on his face; I could feel his frustration and unwillingness not to GG through the screen. He eventually GGs though, and a happy Sea runs out of his booth.
Sad that Sun couldn't get a 3rd kill, but at least Sea has gotten a win for his team!
Lmfao Craton fast-forwarding through Outsider. Double the super-sonic tongue-twisting, looolz. And now slowing it down... I still can't understand him, how sad, rofl.
On January 18 2011 20:36 lastmotion wrote: MBC is dead now [Light + HyuN are both gone...Sea has to take care of Bisu / Fantasy / Best ? I dont think soJaehoon will clean whatever's left
On January 18 2011 20:36 lastmotion wrote: MBC is dead now, Light + HyuN are both gone...Sea has to take care of Bisu / Fantasy / Best ? I dont think so
Light is only good very zerg this season, not a big loss.
Soo tries to buy time with his mutalings for his lurkers to hatch, but Sea waltzes into Soo's nat, realizes his great luck, and then sends another marine force to Soo's expo at 10!
Soo tries another drop on Sea's expo, it explodes mid-air to a turret, ouch...
Gah I can't stand watching more of this mediocrity, I'll just see the results tomorrow. ==;; I hope to see SKT win 4-2, but Sea destroying everyone wouldn't be too surprising either. SKT fighting!
Lmfao Soo GGs, finally. Should've done that a long time ago. Seriously Coach Park, please send Kwanro out next time. ><;;
that was such a stupid gamble. They should have just sent BeSt. Even though he is favorite, imagine he fucks up or smth, suddenly bisu has to win in his weakest mu vs a good player and then a p v p or fantasy has to gamble it up in t v t, what a retarded decision.
On January 18 2011 21:17 ArvickHero wrote: Best, the guy that should've been sent last set
Why is that? Best should be heavily favored PvT on this map and if he gets sniped next match, ,then SKT can send in either Bisu or Fantasy depending on the player that takes out Best. Good situation IMHO
On January 18 2011 21:10 GoTuNk! wrote: that was such a stupid gamble. They should have just sent BeSt. Even though he is favorite, imagine he fucks up or smth, suddenly bisu has to win in his weakest mu vs a good player and then a p v p or fantasy has to gamble it up in t v t, what a retarded decision.
Only worse decision would be sending bisu now.
Gonna quote myself and my hate for sending soo before BeSt. Will add that other huge ass map would suit best perfectly.
i would say bisu should come out...hes probs been practicing harder for wl than fantasy...but them im afraid bisu might do one of his famous fails when we need him most
I'd go with Fantasy. He's generally a very clutch player, seems to handle pressure situations better than Bisu, and when he's on his TvT is second only to Flash.
brainless decision was to sent Best, Bisu and Fanatasy after Sun and there is like ~10% for Sea to kill those three in a row but now it's all 50%-50% thanks to infamous SKT Zerg line.
Why are you guys so on about "omg retarded decision to send Best"? Aztec is 11:2 PvT until this match and Best is with 66% PvT. Completely reasonable choice.
On January 18 2011 21:51 mnesthes wrote: Why are you guys so on about "omg retarded decision to send Best"? Aztec is 11:2 PvT until this match and Best is with 66% PvT. Completely reasonable choice.
Best is also 4-7 recently. Send Bisu if you want a PvT; Best is slumping.
Just wanted to say that I haven't watched the numbers for quite long, but we are 1300 watching today, instead of 800 for average PL game two months ago, and it aint even a very big match. Well, SKTs playing of course. Not sure if it's really significant, but I'm happy.
Massive tank count for Fantasy just lets him roll over all the units outside his nat and claim the middle. Sea setting up a new expo under his main at 12.
Sea with the higher tank count now. Moving to contest the middle. Wraiths move to clear the 4 tanks threatening his expo at 4. Goliaths are too late to save them.
Sea still not mining gas at his expo just under his main. Catched a whole load of dropships at 4 with his wraiths! 3 BCs out for him but Fantasy has his own Wraith fleet now.
Fantasy with a mass of turrets in the middle but Sea just moves with his tanks and Goliaths to roll them.
Sea pushes with all his forces to claim the middle and theatens 6! Bad positioning lets Fantasy snipe 2 BCs but Sea's ground army is just so big. Cleans up the expo there.
Fantasy's Wraiths kill an expo. Has a small ground army. Both armies just positioning around the middle. Sea's units catch a whole load of SCVs. Were they maynarding or sacrifices?
Sea has a half Goliath/Tank army, Fantasy with a bunch of tanks and wraiths. Both player's starports have stopped flashing. Trying to set up new mining bases.
On January 18 2011 22:24 MoonBear wrote: Fantasy's Wraiths kill an expo. Has a small ground army. Both armies just positioning around the middle. Sea's units catch a whole load of SCVs. Were they maynarding or sacrifices?
pretty sure they were sacrificed since top left mined out?
Long TvTs are generally just boring when there's no action going on at all or when one players is winning the game 100% and just doesn't know how to finish it due to Ts defensive abilities, but this is pretty tense.
Fantasy's wraiths catch all of Sea's BCs undefended! Sea loses all of them! Fantasy immediatelly rolls his entire army to push Sea's last few mining bases!
Fantasy seems to just be abusing the fact that his wraiths can move much faster than the rest of Sea's army and is catching his cruisers/goliaths/tanks out of position.
On January 18 2011 22:25 Holgerius wrote: Long TvTs are generally just boring when there's no action going on at all or when one players is winning the game 100% and just doesn't know how to finish it due to Ts defensive abilities, but this is pretty tense.
I don't know why, but this really feels like the two have just no game plan and are wondering what they should do with their units. Plus TvT would be much better witouth BCs/wraiths : dropship for the win.
On January 18 2011 22:20 ]343[ wrote: sea should be building valks @_@
I thought valks only were cost effective against small numbers of units - like one control group of wraiths for exemple, but that the splash didn't work properly against a bigger group. Something like that lol.
On January 18 2011 22:23 Holgerius wrote: Am I the only one who actually thinks this game is awesome?
Seconded here. This game was great! Back anf roth, Fantasy came back from an early BO disadvantage and with nice drop play evened out the game. How many starports did he have at the end? 10 at least :D
Great game, tho I thought the turning point was when Fantasy destroyed Sea's bottom right - it opened up the two bases above it, and Fantasy always had the resource edge as it became a matter of denying Sea at 2 and 4ish.
On January 18 2011 22:30 Itachii wrote: It will be fantasy vs tyson with tyson winning in perfect style and then you will all wonder why this kid is so good.
While I do agree that Tyson is awesome, MBC already sent Jaehoon.
On January 18 2011 22:20 ]343[ wrote: sea should be building valks @_@
I thought valks only were cost effective against small numbers of units - like one control group of wraiths for exemple, but that the splash didn't work properly against a bigger group. Something like that lol.
Nah, some valks (let's say 6) would've been good, provided that the wraiths clumped up some. Still, with that number of wraiths he'd have probably lost most if not all valks due to return fire, but it probably would still take the majority of Fantasy's wraiths, which would've given Sea a much needed breather by regaining air superiority (or rather neutrality).
On January 18 2011 22:20 ]343[ wrote: sea should be building valks @_@
I thought valks only were cost effective against small numbers of units - like one control group of wraiths for exemple, but that the splash didn't work properly against a bigger group. Something like that lol.
Nah, some valks (let's say 6) would've been good, provided that the wraiths clumped up some. Still, with that number of wraiths he'd have probably lost most if not all valks due to return fire, but it probably would still take the majority of Fantasy's wraiths, which would've given Sea a much needed breather by regaining air superiority (or rather neutrality).
If Fantasy's wraiths got first strike, any Valks probably would have done little.
There's a sprite limit in Brood War. There are a lot of wraiths and a lot of wraith missiles. If they go first, the Valks won't fire because there are too many sprites on the screen lmao. Its why when people go mass wraiths, pros nearly never respond with Valks because you basically get owned; I think there's a game where Leta goes BC/Valk against Light's wraiths (Grand Line or Fighting Spirit I forget) and Leta basically gets completely raped because there's too much shit on the screen for his Valks to fire.
Fantasy probably would have been an asshole and brought SCVs over if such a situation occurred.
On January 18 2011 22:20 ]343[ wrote: sea should be building valks @_@
I thought valks only were cost effective against small numbers of units - like one control group of wraiths for exemple, but that the splash didn't work properly against a bigger group. Something like that lol.
Nah, some valks (let's say 6) would've been good, provided that the wraiths clumped up some. Still, with that number of wraiths he'd have probably lost most if not all valks due to return fire, but it probably would still take the majority of Fantasy's wraiths, which would've given Sea a much needed breather by regaining air superiority (or rather neutrality).
On January 18 2011 22:20 ]343[ wrote: sea should be building valks @_@
I thought valks only were cost effective against small numbers of units - like one control group of wraiths for exemple, but that the splash didn't work properly against a bigger group. Something like that lol.
Nah, some valks (let's say 6) would've been good, provided that the wraiths clumped up some. Still, with that number of wraiths he'd have probably lost most if not all valks due to return fire, but it probably would still take the majority of Fantasy's wraiths, which would've given Sea a much needed breather by regaining air superiority (or rather neutrality).
If Fantasy's wraiths got first strike, any Valks probably would have done little.
There's a sprite limit in Brood War. There are a lot of wraiths and a lot of wraith missiles. If they go first, the Valks won't fire because there are too many sprites on the screen lmao. Its why when people go mass wraiths, pros nearly never respond with Valks because you basically get owned; I think there's a game where Leta goes BC/Valk against Light's wraiths (Grand Line or Fighting Spirit I forget) and Leta basically gets completely raped because there's too much shit on the screen for his Valks to fire.
Fantasy probably would have been an asshole and brought SCVs over if such a situation occurred.
Yes, if the wraiths can hit first, the valks would be pretty worthless. If it's the other way around however... basically, it's a simple question of managing to keep track of where the wraiths are and launching an attack on them... while keeping everything else that's happening in the game in check. I'd imagine that it's pretty strenuous
Fantasy reveals stim! Jaehoon forced to pull all the probes off but manages to hold. Loses some probes to the firebat though. Shield Battery up for Jaehoon. Dragoon range up for Jaehoon, Fantasy forced to pull SCVs to save his bunker!
so Jaehoon can actually win this?.... I really can't tell when the player i'm rooting for has the adventage, always thinking he's freaking behind somehow TT
Jaehoon expands again to 12. Vultures decide to skip 3 since it's walled with pylons. They manage to sneak into 12 which hadn't been fully walled off yet though!
anyone in korea know why exactly ogn schedules matches at 7:30pm now rather than the traditional 6:00pm/6:30pm? games like this have the potential to go on until 11pm onwards, and i'd imagine the stadium is starting to empty out around this time as the subway closes at 12am.
Fantasy camping outside 12. Carriers try to repel but it's not working. What is Jaehoon's ground force going wandering around in the middle of nowhere?
huge decission mistakes by jaehoon, sending his entire army back and forth the whole map without actually achieving anything despite destroying a few mines and loosing zealots to them too ...
On January 18 2011 23:11 MoonBear wrote: All Fantasy has to do is starve Jaehoon out by not letting him rebuild interceptors ad Jaehoon is broke. Jaehoon charges into the Terran main!
Fantasy is dead. Even Jaehoon can't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
On January 18 2011 23:11 MoonBear wrote: All Fantasy has to do is starve Jaehoon out by not letting him rebuild interceptors ad Jaehoon is broke. Jaehoon charges into the Terran main!
How can you starve 12 carriers when interceptors are cost effective against everything? Enlighten me here.
We see the herd of Carriers approaching its prey and slowly and methodically taking them out for the kill. The poor victim struggles but is unable to get away from the herd. He sadly types GG as his final words.
On January 18 2011 23:11 MoonBear wrote: All Fantasy has to do is starve Jaehoon out by not letting him rebuild interceptors ad Jaehoon is broke. Jaehoon charges into the Terran main!
How can you starve 12 carriers when interceptors are cost effective against everything? Enlighten me here.
On January 18 2011 10:12 baubo wrote: People are forgetting the most important question here. Is there anyone on T1 who can stop the unstoppable force that is Jaehoon?
I don't believe so. Jaehoon > Fantasy, Best, Bisu, random T1 zerg
MBC may decide to toy around and send the likes of Sea or Light or Han first. But when they decide to get serious and send Jaehoon, T1 has no chance.
Damn! I screwed up and didn't expect MBC to send hyun. Otherwise, pat myself on the back for a solid prediction. And to think T1 fans thought they could defeat the almighty Jaehoon...
There was a SIGNIFICANT lack of Bisu up in this series. Also, MBC deserves the win this time around I guess. Well played. Though Best really needs to stop losing.
Absolutely fantastic games. MBC truly showed their potential today. Sea is on fire- I love seeing him destroy SKT. It's a shame he couldn't take Fantasy, but that critical mass of wraiths was the hard counter to the BC's.
I was freaking out when Fantasy went for a Stim timing push, but Jaehoon's resilience triumphed. The carrier tech switch also worried me, since it generally has been ineffective in modern day TvP, however he once again pulled it off perfectly (I believe he only lost one carrier if I counted right).
Are you confident in getting an AK against MBC next time? ▲Bisu: Very much so. Although getting an all-kill is very nice, I feel a little apologetic for not letting my teammates show their stuff (haha). Rather than getting another AK, I want to see our team win together so we can all bask in the victory.
I guess his teammates didn't have that much to show.
On January 18 2011 23:16 Ryo wrote: Jaehoon 7-1 against Terran this season. His only loss was to a Bogus bunker rush.
Could have been easily 6-2 if there were less mistakes from Fanta ( Playing cute with the Stim harassment, faster wrecking of Jaehoon's 5th; and had he been killing Jaehoon's Obs, which would have denied Jaehoon the info that he had mining bases (and possibly killed HTs w/ mines too))
On January 18 2011 23:18 MoonBear wrote: This Season, it's like Bisu is SKT's lucky charm. Their losses and wins seem to revolve around him a lot.
Yeah, the ace player tends to do that. It's like KT/Flash and Oz/JD.
KT are doing very well without Flash in WL thus far, thank you very much.
This, their Tosses have stepped up in play; and they're beginning to look like the monster that they were supposed to be in PL. (Damn it fOrGG why retire so suddenly!)
Are you confident in getting an AK against MBC next time? ▲Bisu: Very much so. Although getting an all-kill is very nice, I feel a little apologetic for not letting my teammates show their stuff (haha). Rather than getting another AK, I want to see our team win together so we can all bask in the victory.
I guess his teammates didn't have that much to show.
XD. Oh man, moopie, you always know how to make me smile. :3
On January 18 2011 23:16 Ryo wrote: Jaehoon 7-1 against Terran this season. His only loss was to a Bogus bunker rush.
Could have been easily 6-2 if there were less mistakes from Fanta ( Playing cute with the Stim harassment, faster wrecking of Jaehoon's 5th; and had he been killing Jaehoon's Obs, which would have denied Jaehoon the info that he had mining bases (and possibly killed HTs w/ mines too))
Well you have to play your best to beat the Hoon in TvP.
Are you confident in getting an AK against MBC next time? ▲Bisu: Very much so. Although getting an all-kill is very nice, I feel a little apologetic for not letting my teammates show their stuff (haha). Rather than getting another AK, I want to see our team win together so we can all bask in the victory.
I guess his teammates didn't have that much to show.
XD. Oh man, moopie, you always know how to make me smile. :3
By picking SKT's wounds every time they lose right? Geez people. Come on.
Are you confident in getting an AK against MBC next time? ▲Bisu: Very much so. Although getting an all-kill is very nice, I feel a little apologetic for not letting my teammates show their stuff (haha). Rather than getting another AK, I want to see our team win together so we can all bask in the victory.
I guess his teammates didn't have that much to show.
XD. Oh man, moopie, you always know how to make me smile. :3
By picking SKT's wounds every time they lose right? Geez people. Come on.
Are you confident in getting an AK against MBC next time? ▲Bisu: Very much so. Although getting an all-kill is very nice, I feel a little apologetic for not letting my teammates show their stuff (haha). Rather than getting another AK, I want to see our team win together so we can all bask in the victory.
I guess his teammates didn't have that much to show.
XD. Oh man, moopie, you always know how to make me smile. :3
By picking SKT's wounds every time they lose right? Geez people. Come on.
It's all in good (very ironic) fun. Sure, I like SKT losing, but I'm not about to make a habit out of laughing at every time they lose.
The evil me is instead laughing at all the poor sods who have Fantasy on their main and Jaehoon and Violet and + Show Spoiler +
Are you confident in getting an AK against MBC next time? ▲Bisu: Very much so. Although getting an all-kill is very nice, I feel a little apologetic for not letting my teammates show their stuff (haha). Rather than getting another AK, I want to see our team win together so we can all bask in the victory.
I guess his teammates didn't have that much to show.
XD. Oh man, moopie, you always know how to make me smile. :3
By picking SKT's wounds every time they lose right? Geez people. Come on.
It's all in good (very ironic) fun. Sure, I like SKT losing, but I'm not about to make a habit out of laughing at every time they lose.
The evil me is instead laughing at all the poor sods who have Fantasy on their main and Jaehoon and Violet and + Show Spoiler +
Bogus
on anti.
Lucky I only have Fanta on main and Jaehoon on anti. Nothing + Show Spoiler +
On January 18 2011 23:33 nayumi wrote: its okay fantasy you can't beat Jaehoon but Stork should be a much easier opponent ...
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I think you will find that Fantasy will be quite a lot more prepared for an OSL final. I mean, the guy did bio aggression in response to the gas steal today...
On January 18 2011 23:27 Emon_ wrote: The most entertaining PvT in a long time
Except you just have to go back 1 day to find something cooler.
No, I think today's game was definitely better. Come on, it's Jaehoon after all.
Did you watch Hiya vs Violet?
tbh stream did lag like hell for me during yesterday's game, but today's game is probably more entertaining. Carriers winning aside, this game basically took me to a thrilling roller coaster ride (Jaehoon's terrible hate of the robots and Templars, his using the Stasis ability to support the Carriers to full extent till the end, and Fantasy's embarrassing attempt to 1 rax bio Jaehoon) where JMH's bad gg timing couldn't be a better icing of the cake.
On January 18 2011 23:27 Emon_ wrote: The most entertaining PvT in a long time
Except you just have to go back 1 day to find something cooler.
No, I think today's game was definitely better. Come on, it's Jaehoon after all.
Did you watch Hiya vs Violet?
tbh stream did lag like hell for me during yesterday's game, but today's game is probably more entertaining. Carriers winning aside, this game basically took me to a thrilling roller coaster ride (Jaehoon's terrible hate of the robots and Templars, his using the Stasis ability to support the Carriers to full extent till the end, and Fantasy's embarrassing attempt to 1 rax bio Jaehoon) where JMH's bad gg timing couldn't be a better icing of the cake.
How can anything be more entertaining than full-blown MnM armies vs Carriers? Games like that are so ridiculously rare.
On January 18 2011 23:27 Emon_ wrote: The most entertaining PvT in a long time
Except you just have to go back 1 day to find something cooler.
No, I think today's game was definitely better. Come on, it's Jaehoon after all.
Did you watch Hiya vs Violet?
tbh stream did lag like hell for me during yesterday's game, but today's game is probably more entertaining. Carriers winning aside, this game basically took me to a thrilling roller coaster ride (Jaehoon's terrible hate of the robots and Templars, his using the Stasis ability to support the Carriers to full extent till the end, and Fantasy's embarrassing attempt to 1 rax bio Jaehoon) where JMH's bad gg timing couldn't be a better icing of the cake.
How can anything be more entertaining than full-blown MnM armies vs Carriers? Games like that are so ridiculously rare.
Well, I believe the entertainment value lies in the players' emotions rather than the strategies... >_> Jaehoon was so tense today, he sweated as if his booth was a shower cubicle xD
Dying to wait for what QuickStriker has to say of this. Dude went to sleep after the Sea vs Soo game and proceeded to claim SKT would win by the time he wakes up.
It wasn't a bad SPL day for SKT. Even if it didn't end in a win. Sun gained more experience and proved himself, they gave Soo, Best a chance, while relieving Bisu. Maybe if Sun lost first or second game, coach would send more dependable lineup aka Bisu and Fanta or even Hyuk. He went 2-1 with elimination of Light and Hyun, which allowed more freedom in sending players. Its a shame there was no Afrotoss or Kwanro though.
waiting for Jaehoon vs Fanta VOD BackHo legacy ;-)
On January 19 2011 04:09 amarillo wrote: Huge sigh at SKT not playing their best player when he is coming off back-to-back AKs...
If there was a good time to not play Bisu, this was it. At the end, they would have been sending him against Sea on Fortress right after Sea beat BeSt on Aztec. There's no way to fault this decision, especially when you've got fantasy's TvT (which, you know, won the game) and MBC's best other player is Jaehoon. Jaehoon's much better this season than before, but I still think he only beats fantasy 3 out of 10, this just happened to be one of the 3.
In the middle, I guess you could say Bisu had a better shot than soO, but if you've got soO prepped for the map/matchup and Bisu prepped on a different map or player, a last minute switch may not work.
In the beginning, you could be saying send Bisu first - but then you just get Sea beating Bisu instead of By.Sun.
On January 19 2011 02:34 Yodo wrote: KTFlash, JaedongOZ and now BisuSKT. Welcome to the club.
+ MBSea =)
No, from recent performance it should be MBCJaehoon. ^^
Also, does anyone notice that Carriers with arbiter support actually counter mass goliath ? Arbiters provide invisibility for both Carriers and Templars and can statis great number of goliaths. Both Sun and Jaehoon found great success using that strategy, don't know why pro don't use it often.
On January 19 2011 02:01 RJGooner wrote: WELL DONE SEA! WELL DONE JAEHOON!
For the people surpised by this, Jaehoon has had very good PvT this season. Fuck Yea Jaehoon!
Kim Jae Hoon Fighting!
What, u saw the game? Fantasy play much more better, but making carriers very useful talent toi have.
Jaehoon won = Jaehoon played better.
While I am not talking about this game in particular Holgerius, this is not an equivalence that you can draw.
In my opinion it is, with very few exceptions.
And ya, watching stuff live is always much more exciting. ^__^
I just want to say that Fantasy wasted quite a bit at the beginning with the bio attack, and Jaehoon just rode a solid advantage from that point on. Nothing particularly impressive from Jaehoon, with a few mistakes here and there (losing reaver, losing lots of HTs) but quite a solid game over all. I will admit that Jaehoon has been playing pretty darn good over the last few days.
I wish I hadn't anti'd him, he has like as many points as JD lol
Actually after watching that game again you realize that all fantasy had to do was take out the arbiters and go for the carriers themselves, when he still had like 30+ goliaths of course. Because at that time jaehoon was already dead broke.
On January 19 2011 04:09 amarillo wrote: Huge sigh at SKT not playing their best player when he is coming off back-to-back AKs...
If there was a good time to not play Bisu, this was it. At the end, they would have been sending him against Sea on Fortress right after Sea beat BeSt on Aztec. There's no way to fault this decision, especially when you've got fantasy's TvT (which, you know, won the game) and MBC's best other player is Jaehoon. Jaehoon's much better this season than before, but I still think he only beats fantasy 3 out of 10, this just happened to be one of the 3.
In the middle, I guess you could say Bisu had a better shot than soO, but if you've got soO prepped for the map/matchup and Bisu prepped on a different map or player, a last minute switch may not work.
In the beginning, you could be saying send Bisu first - but then you just get Sea beating Bisu instead of By.Sun.
There's also a point where you send out your best player and trust him, I guess Bisu doesn't quite have that luxury like Flash and Jaedong when a team is so loaded. (and he's going into a PvT)
On January 19 2011 12:26 d_so wrote: k and now i just watched game 7... lol how does fantasy lose that
He was behind from the very beginning after his bio-rush failed. I don't think there was a point in the game when you can ever really say he was ahead- by the time he took out the 12 o'clock expansion Jaehoon already had about eight carriers and a big ground army.
On January 20 2011 02:41 gamapg wrote: ... out of all the players Coach Park could've sent out... he sent out a zerg at a critical moment... SEND FUCKING BISU GODDAMIT...
Bisu said in the interviews he would like other players in SKT1 to get a chance to play too, this time his wish was granted. The way I see it: 1. Z often fares better in ZvT on Circuit Breaker than P in PvT. Soo is not THAT horrible, and even SKTZerg needs experience too. 2.Aztec is a Terran graveyard in TvP Best is a beast in PvT => Send Best 3. Fortress is not good for P in PvT Fantasy hasn't played yet Fantasy is decent in TvT and has a positive record against Sea => Send Fantasy
On January 20 2011 02:41 gamapg wrote: ... out of all the players Coach Park could've sent out... he sent out a zerg at a critical moment... SEND FUCKING BISU GODDAMIT...
Bisu said in the interviews he would like other players in SKT1 to get a chance to play too, this time his wish was granted. The way I see it: 1. Z often fares better in ZvT on Circuit Breaker than P in PvT. Soo is not THAT horrible, and even SKTZerg needs experience too. 2.Aztec is a Terran graveyard in TvP Best is a beast in PvT => Send Best 3. Fortress is not good for P in PvT Fantasy hasn't played yet Fantasy is decent in TvT and has a positive record against Sea => Send Fantasy
they could at least have sent out kwanro. o kwanro, where art thou?
dude jaehoon looked like he was going to drown in his own sweat. but seriously, people on TL make fun of him so much, yet he beat fantasy in an ace game. he makes a lot of mistakes and needs polish his play but he doesn't suck yo.
On January 21 2011 00:44 white_horse wrote: dude jaehoon looked like he was going to drown in his own sweat. but seriously, people on TL make fun of him so much, yet he beat fantasy in an ace game. he makes a lot of mistakes and needs polish his play but he doesn't suck yo.
he's bad but thats what makes him so fun to watch and makes me a fan of his and makes me cheer like mad when i see him playing so solidiy
Could someone explain why Fantasy didn't land his floating factories near the end in set 7 to potentially kill ALL of the interceptors? My only guess is that the glitch is banned in proleague games? If not, Fantasy had the potential to kill every one of jaehoon's interceptors and win the game.
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