So entertaining. I found myself constantly thinking what on earth might happen next, and god, was it awesome. Watch it, it almost makes up for some other games in the series.
(Vote): Hwaseung OZ (Vote): KT Rolster (Vote): I'm just hoping for good games. (Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!
Poll: Who will win?
KT Rolster (77)
51%
Hwaseung OZ (48)
32%
I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button. (26)
17%
151 total votes
Your vote: Who will win?
(Vote): Hwaseung OZ (Vote): KT Rolster (Vote): I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button.
Flash and Jaedong have dominated the BW world for an entire year, but their teams have important parts of the Protoss Legacy in them. This spotlight pays tribute to them. I present to you the spotlights of Anytime and Reach, and I hope those newer to BW will appreciate it as much as they should. :D
Big thanks to n.DieJokes and moopie for doing the Spotlights on such short notice.
Captain Anytime, the suave and sophisticated Protoss hero. At 24 (26 Korean) Sashin towers over the rest of OZ’s criminally Young line-up. Almost three years older than the next eldest (HiyA and BackHo are both 21) Anytime brings a career’s worth of experience to a relatively green Hwaseung OZ. Having been through hell (read Ace) and back, he’s certainly no stranger to losing; Anytime is a Rock in the clubhouse during a very stressful and trying time for OZ. But he’s also a Light for a once glorious team, having tasted OSL and Proleague gold and ready to lead the team there again.
Anytime possesses a knowledge that nobody on OZ but Jaedong seems to have, how to win games. I can’t count the number of times I’ve watched Killer or BackHo or PerfectMan play beautifully up to the midgame only to make bad decision after bad decision and lose. Not Anytime, he has the instincts of a champion. Even on Ace, Anytime was one of the few players who kept the team respectable despite inadequate practice hours and conditions because he had the instincts to win. Now that he’s back home he can augment those instincts with the mechanics that only come from practice and he’s already had good results. While only 3-3 in pl since his return those three wins include a victory over MBC Ace Sea. It’s also worth noting that five of his six appearances have been against Terran and his PvT has looked good in the process. His PvP and PvZ are relatively untested since his return but on Ace Anytime’s PvZ always looked strong if inconsistent and his PvP was his most successful matchup.
What does this mean for tonight? Obviously the biggest question coming into the match is what will our answer be to FlaSh. It would be foolhardy to say that Anytime will beat Flash but I would contend that he could beat FlaSh. This is the man who once upon a fall bested iloveoov and BoxeR in back to back best of fives on awful PvT maps (excluding Anytime toss went 6-15 PvT). Outside of Flash, I like his smart heavily timing based PvZ against the likes of Action and have faith in his post Ace PvP. Sashin fighting!
The Mantoss by moopie
Most Brood War fans will not need this introduction, but allow me to make it anyway. Park Jeong Seok, better known as [Oops]Reach is by far the manliest player to have ever stepped in the booth. Reach has been part of the progaming since 2001 when he joined Hanbit Stars. Now, a decade later, he is one of the oldest active players still on the scene.
Reach's current role on KT
As many people already know, Reach's current role is that of team captain due to his seniority and rapport with the players. His primary duties as captain are to help the players with their practice and other issues. This of course leaves less time for practice and as such captains are often less active in games. Reach is definitely captain material, he is someone all players can look up to, and seems to give off a very supportive friendly vibe. With any luck he'll beat KT's captain curse and show good results this coming year.
Believe it or not, the hardest thing about writing this piece was having to pick only a few pictures
Reach's current form
Needing a break after his discharge from the airforce, Reach wasn't very active his first month back in KT. Since his return in November, Reach has only played in a single live match vs his former teammate GoRush. While he lost that match, his play was certainly not bad. His strategy deviated from the same old standard PvZ and his mechanics seemed solid. While he is currently riding the worst losing streak of his career (at 8 losses, or 11 counting only standard leagues), his play in recent games wasn't very sloppy but rather seemed to be due to lack of confidence in his attacks. With enough practice at the KT house, Reach will build up his confidence (and grow out his hair back to its former epic self) and he'll be ready to roll again. I certainly believe Reach has a lot left to show us as a player.
Highlights
To those not familiar with Reach and his former glory, during his career Reach got a reputation of being a great macro toss, separating him from the herd of more aggressive, less econ-focused Protoss players. Reach's most notable victory was winning the SKY2002 OSL, where he toppled BoxeR 3-1. While not attaining additional golds he was a solid performer in leagues for some time, earning himself 3 silvers (Pepsi Twist 3rd KPGA, Gilette OSL and UZOO MSL). He was also the only Protoss to qualify for the 2004 IOPS OSL, though unfortunately he didn't advance from his group.
- One of the original Three Kings (along with Nal_rA and Kingdom), who were the dominating Protoss force from 2002-2005. - The first player to achieve 100 Proleague wins. - The first Protoss to make both league finals (Pepsi Twist KPGA and SKY2002 OSL). - Has a 3-1 lifetime record against Anytime (maybe 4-1 by the time this series is over?) - Turned 27 1 month ago, making him the oldest active Protoss player on the scene. Happy belated birthday Reach
So there you have it. The boss himself, ready to resume kicking ass.
On January 17 2011 04:34 Savant wrote: Epic clash of the titans incoming. I predict Jaedong will win this time though.
Flash vs Stork is clash of the titans. Jaedong vs Flash is clash of the guys who've clashed so many times before, where one guy won most of the time.
Since the beginning of 2010, Flash is 12-8 vs. Jaedong. In comparison, Flash is 9-3 vs. Stork in their last 12 games.
Stork is in excellent form right now but people need to stop getting overenthusiastic and acting like he's the greatest player ever. People need to remember that Jaedong has been the only player who's consistently posed any sort of threat to Flash in the last year.
That being said, I still think Flash will win against Jaedong in a pretty one-sided fashion. I can't remember the last time Jaedong beat an S-class opponent in proleague.
On January 17 2011 04:51 dukethegold wrote: KTFlash v.s. Jaedong Oz!!!!
I predict one of LeeSsang will three kill and the other shall reverse all kill.
Assuming they send either Jaedong or Flash first, I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what happens. With Forgg gone, no one but Flash is good enough to beat JD (Stats is 0-7 against JD) and apart from JD, beating the rest of Oz is a walk in the park for Flash.
I'm not sure what to think, Jaedong has looked a bit weak recently when compared to the others in TaekBangLeeSsang but I actually think he's performing as well as usual, it's just that Bisu and Stork are doing way better. Flash on the other hand has looked a bit non-godlike, even when he's winning so I think this could really go either way.
No matter what happens, I hope we get a Flash vs. Jaedong. Everything else is secondary.
On January 17 2011 04:34 Savant wrote: Epic clash of the titans incoming. I predict Jaedong will win this time though.
Flash vs Stork is clash of the titans. Jaedong vs Flash is clash of the guys who've clashed so many times before, where one guy won most of the time.
Since the beginning of 2010, Flash is 12-8 vs. Jaedong. In comparison, Flash is 9-3 vs. Stork in their last 12 games.
Stork is in excellent form right now but people need to stop getting overenthusiastic and acting like he's the greatest player ever. People need to remember that Jaedong has been the only player who's consistently posed any sort of threat to Flash in the last year.
That being said, I still think Flash will win against Jaedong in a pretty one-sided fashion. I can't remember the last time Jaedong beat an S-class opponent in proleague.
Right now, stork and flash are the 2 best, therefore they are the Titans. Jaedong hasn't shown the same results he showed last year.
Right now, stork and flash are the 2 best, therefore they are the Titans. Jaedong hasn't shown the same results he showed last year.
I mean.... If you're going by results Flash is out of both Starleagues.... Yea his PL form has been good but if you're going off results including the Starleagues... How can JD not be considered a "Titan"?
Mark my words, Jaedong will beat Flash by 4pooling on the first match of the series and then, he will go 3-0 to be sniped by a zerg on a build order loss (Jaedong getting cocky as usual and going 9pool instead of 12pool). Anytime will stand up and save the series for Oz (4-1).
On January 17 2011 06:35 smekz wrote: great banner :o
flash wont be sent first so i think oz might win a game honestly im hoping a 4-3 with jd vs flash in 7th set, make it happen!
no flash send first because OZ havent any sniper for Flash (same reason for OZ,coach send jaedong first) soooo if Flash take down jaedong or jaedong take down flash. all kill on the way~~
What?! "Rather decent graphics"?!?? The banner is absolutely beautiful and stunning, not "decent"!! Big props to you KasPra for your effort! *O*
Uhhh, I don't really feel like watching this match, so I don't really care who comes out on top, but seeing another Flash vs. Jaedong should send everyone into a frenzy. ;P
(Stats get another all-kill and troll everybody plz)
On January 17 2011 06:35 smekz wrote: great banner :o
flash wont be sent first so i think oz might win a game honestly im hoping a 4-3 with jd vs flash in 7th set, make it happen!
no flash send first because OZ havent any sniper for Flash (same reason for OZ,coach send jaedong first) soooo if Flash take down jaedong or jaedong take down flash. all kill on the way~~
i love both flash and jaedong, but all those assumptions that either flash or jaedong are 100% sure 4-0s are not bulletproof! but we will see
Right now, stork and flash are the 2 best, therefore they are the Titans. Jaedong hasn't shown the same results he showed last year.
I mean.... If you're going by results Flash is out of both Starleagues.... Yea his PL form has been good but if you're going off results including the Starleagues... How can JD not be considered a "Titan"?
JD recent performance has been poor. Losing to pretty much Sclass player he faces. He might be a titan of A-class but he's not a titan of S-Class.
I love it because flash v jaedong is practically inevitable. MUST WATCH
And all you saying that flash crushed jaedong in the last finals well... this is like 3 months later, huge difference. and you know what? I think Lee Jae Dong is out for HIS BLOOD.
On January 17 2011 08:09 Furios wrote: I love it because flash v jaedong is practically inevitable. MUST WATCH
And all you saying that flash crushed jaedong in the last finals well... this is like 3 months later, huge difference. and you know what? I think Lee Jae Dong is out for HIS BLOOD.
Agree! You cant compare the Jae from 3 months ago with the Jae we have now! Omg, I am so excited! I hope Jae can finally beat Flash and show him the power of the Swarm X)
On January 17 2011 09:05 lastmotion wrote: excited! I really hope Oz coach saves JD until Flash comes out though...I would not like to see JD get taken out to a luck-based ZvZ beforehand.
Are you afraid of Action's zvz? Who else does KT have that can actually "luck" his way past Jae fucking Dong's JvZ? Lol
On January 17 2011 09:05 lastmotion wrote: excited! I really hope Oz coach saves JD until Flash comes out though...I would not like to see JD get taken out to a luck-based ZvZ beforehand.
Are you afraid of Action's zvz? Who else does KT have that can actually "luck" his way past Jae fucking Dong's JvZ? Lol
On January 17 2011 09:05 lastmotion wrote: excited! I really hope Oz coach saves JD until Flash comes out though...I would not like to see JD get taken out to a luck-based ZvZ beforehand.
Are you afraid of Action's zvz? Who else does KT have that can actually "luck" his way past Jae fucking Dong's JvZ? Lol
On January 17 2011 09:05 lastmotion wrote: excited! I really hope Oz coach saves JD until Flash comes out though...I would not like to see JD get taken out to a luck-based ZvZ beforehand.
Are you afraid of Action's zvz? Who else does KT have that can actually "luck" his way past Jae fucking Dong's JvZ? Lol
On January 17 2011 09:05 lastmotion wrote: excited! I really hope Oz coach saves JD until Flash comes out though...I would not like to see JD get taken out to a luck-based ZvZ beforehand.
Are you afraid of Action's zvz? Who else does KT have that can actually "luck" his way past Jae fucking Dong's JvZ? Lol
if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
Flash > Map imbalance Flash Stamina > A Team's Stamina Flash Stat's > Other Person's stats
Heh, only one of all those maps has TvZ stats higher than 50%. Granted, on some of them only a handfull of games was played, but it's still interesting, given the general trend...
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
Flash > Map imbalance Flash Stamina > A Team's Stamina Flash Stat's > Other Person's stats
your oz insignia sure isn't convincing you seem quite full of flash
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
Flash > Map imbalance Flash Stamina > A Team's Stamina Flash Stat's > Other Person's stats
your oz insignia sure isn't convincing you seem quite full of flash
Jaedong has been so disappointing lately. His play shows lack of confidence.
KT Rolster will win :D:D:D i hope the jD vs flash match, this could be interesting !! bs JD with less moral and flash without the first place in the power rank!!!! come on FLASHH !!!
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
Flash > Map imbalance Flash Stamina > A Team's Stamina Flash Stat's > Other Person's stats
I'm pretty sure Stats' stats are better than Flash's stats
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
Flash > Map imbalance Flash Stamina > A Team's Stamina Flash Stat's > Other Person's stats
I'm pretty sure Stats' stats are better than Flash's stats
On January 17 2011 10:28 noojOh wrote: if kt's coach is smart, they will send flash out first because it will be unexpected but if he is able to beat jaedong early on, the game is kt's and even if he doesn't, flash will be able to beat enough of oz's zerg and toss players (killer, princess, backho). hiya's tvt is not enough to beat flash so that won't be a problem either
That's a pretty big gamble. Oz can literally tire Flash out (wrist) and save Jaedong for the 4th game and a reverse all-kill. On top of that, Bloody Ridge ZvT isn't bad either (based on stats, though Jaedong did lose one on it). Not saying this isn't a huge gambit either...
Flash > Map imbalance Flash Stamina > A Team's Stamina Flash Stat's > Other Person's stats
your oz insignia sure isn't convincing you seem quite full of flash
Jaedong has been so disappointing lately. His play shows lack of confidence.
You're no fan of your team if you can't still support them after they hit a low point.
You're no fan of your team if you can't still support them after they hit a low point.
so JD = team?
while that may be true, it is still depressing to think about JvF especially if like me you only got into BW this last year and only remember losses. i'm not rooting for flash, but i am not very optimistic for oz given their PL performances as of late.
This match will possibly decide which of the two teams will remain at the bottom of the pack (and the other will have a good chance of continuing the upward surge). I have a feeling Jaedong's tyrant rage is near the maximum and after seeing his team go down 0-3, he will step in for an epic reverse AK involving a couple of 4-pools and proxy hatch and all sorts of TYRANT RAGE.
You're no fan of your team if you can't still support them after they hit a low point.
so JD = team?
while that may be true, it is still depressing to think about JvF especially if like me you only got into BW this last year and only remember losses. i'm not rooting for flash, but i am not very optimistic for oz given their PL performances as of late.
oz fighting!
I'll be honest, that sounds like some fairweather fandom. Either get some faith in your JD/team or be a Flash fan and stick to it. Just because JD is playing uninspired right now doesn't mean you shouldn't support him.
I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
On January 17 2011 12:41 Lightwip wrote: I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
Yesss
Strangely enough JD's ZvT is looking better than his ZvP nowadays
On January 10 2011 23:40 yoonyoon wrote: Someone's probably working on the interview, but JD said that the next time he wins, he may do a ceremony <333333
LOL, and according to someone who was at the fan meeting, JD hurt his hand a little after the match when he hitbroke down a wall with his fist because he was so happybadass
2 streak end into 3 kill is more than enough imo!
good to see oz mirroring the success of kt in WL so far
Break down walls + ceremony please! I want to see a JD winner's interview woop
Been waiting for this since they showed the Ad for it, think it was on the 11th.
GSL Code S Ro8 at the same time slot? Yeah okay buddy KT vs OZ FvJ hypeeeeeeeeeee
EDIT: Should have a caption on the banner: "Eyes blocked out for viewers' safety."
I'll be honest, that sounds like some fairweather fandom. Either get some faith in your JD/team or be a Flash fan and stick to it. Just because JD is playing uninspired right now doesn't mean you shouldn't support him.
no i just really dislike people who trash the rest of the team.
JD may be half the team but the other half is still important.
I'll be honest, that sounds like some fairweather fandom. Either get some faith in your JD/team or be a Flash fan and stick to it. Just because JD is playing uninspired right now doesn't mean you shouldn't support him.
no i just really dislike people who trash the rest of the team.
JD may be half the team but the other half is still important.
Oz is JD as much as KT is Flash or even as much as SKT is Bisu, even if some teammates are better at winning than others. A team does not function without its ace player. The rest of the team is important too, but you're underestimating how important it is for the ace to be there and be winning, ESPECIALLY in WL. I wasn't implying JD Oz in my post, even if it is hard to deny how much JD carries the team. But a team must have faith in its star player. I don't like seeing people not support him just because he isn't doing well.
On January 17 2011 12:41 Lightwip wrote: I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
It's kind of like saying "if Bisu beats kal" a month or two ago.
I wonder if Jaedong and/or Flash will be fielded early to coax the other out so that the other can be sniped, or if we'll end up looking at an FvJ ace match.
I like Jaedong more than Flash, and I'd like Oz to beat KT, but I have a feeling that KT is going to win. Jaedong isn't as unstoppable as Flash.
On January 17 2011 12:41 Lightwip wrote: I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
If beating Flash once is all it takes then Jaedong isn't strong minded :/
Can't wait for the game. Props to OP for the sick banner. I hope Jaedong won't forget consume today.
On January 17 2011 12:41 Lightwip wrote: I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
Care to elaborate this insightful discovery of yours?
That is an extremely epic gif. I have work at 7am tomorrow, so I'll go to sleep now and wake up for it in 3 hours, and then sleep some more. I've been anticipating this for so long omfg!!
Gooo JaeDONG!!!!! maybe Sashin can kill Flash as well lol. one can dream.
I have a good feeling that Jaedong will be sent first because the first few maps are more zerg-friendly (atleast thats what the stats suggest) and also because KT don't have any good vZ snipers (now that Forgg has retired). I also think KT will play Barracks because with Forgg gone, Barracks has to fill the role of their second/backup Terran.
On January 17 2011 14:52 DarkMatter_ wrote: I have a good feeling that Jaedong will be sent first because the first few maps are more zerg-friendly (atleast thats what the stats suggest) and also because KT don't have any good vZ snipers (now that Forgg has retired). I also think KT will play Barracks because with Forgg gone, Barracks has to fill the role of their second/backup Terran.
If the first few maps are zerg friendly, why would they send Jaedong first? Why not have killer or princess to take those zerg friendly maps and have jaedong go later? Jaedong is a strong player, he shouldn't need map friendly to help him win so I think they would send the other zerg for zerg friendly map.
On January 17 2011 12:41 Lightwip wrote: I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
Care to elaborate this insightful discovery of yours?
Take my personal thanks, Mustaju. Warhammer intro story performed masterfully and suits this games almost as good, as it would be in any of their msl finals. Personally for me every flash-jaedong final is such epic like Horus' betrayal itself.
I have a good feeling that Jaedong will be sent first because the first few maps are more zerg-friendly (atleast thats what the stats suggest) and also because KT don't have any good vZ snipers (now that Forgg has retired). I also think KT will play Barracks because with Forgg gone, Barracks has to fill the role of their second/backup Terran.
Wow...this is the most amazing prediction I've seen.
On January 17 2011 15:05 BleakCynic wrote: Take my personal thanks, Mustaju. Warhammer intro story performed masterfully and suits this games almost as good, as it would be in any of their msl finals. Personally for me every flash-jaedong final is such epic like Horus' betrayal itself.
On January 17 2011 05:15 okum wrote: It makes me very depressed that I probably won't be able to see this live.
Awww, I'm, sorry to hear that.
Can't wait for this to start! 7 pages of hype, that is pretty nice. :D I've bought a ton of snacks and stuff in preparation, since we are so likely to get JD vs Flash here. ^__^
On January 17 2011 14:41 mnesthes wrote: Can't wait for the game. Props to OP for the sick banner. I hope Jaedong won't forget consume today.
On January 17 2011 12:41 Lightwip wrote: I just realized something. If JD beats Flash decisively, then he will have pretty much solved what's been keeping him down and he could very well recover his judgment.
Care to elaborate this insightful discovery of yours?
On January 17 2011 15:05 BleakCynic wrote: Take my personal thanks, Mustaju. Warhammer intro story performed masterfully and suits this games almost as good, as it would be in any of their msl finals. Personally for me every flash-jaedong final is such epic like Horus' betrayal itself.
Thanks! I thought nobody noticed.
I can't believe that I forgot to check the recommended games section... Even better OP now!
On January 17 2011 05:15 okum wrote: It makes me very depressed that I probably won't be able to see this live.
Awww, I'm, sorry to hear that.
Can't wait for this to start! 7 pages of hype, that is pretty nice. :D I've bought a ton of snacks and stuff in preparation, since we are so likely to get JD vs Flash here. ^__^
I hope it will be epic!
Nomnomnom. I have microwavable Hot & Spicy Ramen. I'm ready to go.
I wouldn't count Jaedong out. A few losses has never caused him to slump before and it won't now. 3 or allkill from either flash or jd is pretty much given here though
Its true that jaedong is not looking as beastly as he did in 2009, esp. With that loss to hogil. Hes faring pretty good compared to other zergs, however its not up to par compared to his past achievements.
That said, jd don't lose hope, and redeem yourself by AK-ing!
On January 17 2011 15:46 Invictus wrote: Its true that jaedong is not looking as beastly as he did in 2009, esp. With that loss to hogil. Hes faring pretty good compared to other zergs, however its not up to par compared to his past achievements.
That said, jd don't lose hope, and redeem yourself by AK-ing!
JD looked more beastly in 2010 than 2009 IMO.
On January 17 2011 15:40 StylishVODs wrote: I wouldn't count Jaedong out. A few losses has never caused him to slump before and it won't now. 3 or allkill from either flash or jd is pretty much given here though
Just because we're all expecting something along those lines this will end up with JD getting sent out first, loses a ZvZ to Action due to build orders, and then it's a bunch of mediocre games with mediocre players until KT wins 4-2 before we even get to see Flash play.
Killer < Benzene > Action In a lucky start that gives no clues of the annihilation to come, Killer wins the game-deciding muta battle when Action accidentally patrol-micros his zerglings instead of his mutas, while move-commanding his air force to their deaths.
Killer < Icarus > YellOw In an astonishing display of micro, Killer's scouting drone kills 4 of Yellow's workers, delaying Yellow's pool and allowing him to 3hatch before pool for a large economic advantage. By the end of a reasonably long macro game, Killer's 7 bases proves too much for the elder statesman's 4 and Yellow is rolled by mass guardians.
Killer < La Mancha > Flash In an act of cunning strategy aimed deep at the heart of his opponent's weaknesses Killer 4pools. The intense micro required to defend is too much for Flash's crippled wrist to deal with and he pussies out, retiring hurt.
Killer < Bloody Ridge > Stats Completely demoralised before he even gets into the booth due to the savage beatdowns on his team's best zerg, noble veteran and ace player, the all-killing wunderkind pulls a Ruby and presses escape during the countdown, earning himself a DQ to avoid being humiliated by the real zerg tyrant.
On January 17 2011 16:33 DropBear wrote: Predictions!
Killer < Benzene > Action In a lucky start that gives no clues of the annihilation to come, Killer wins the game-deciding muta battle when Action accidentally patrol-micros his zerglings instead of his mutas, while move-commanding his air force to their deaths.
Killer < Icarus > YellOw In an astonishing display of micro, Killer's scouting drone kills 4 of Yellow's workers, delaying Yellow's pool and allowing him to 3hatch before pool for a large economic advantage. By the end of a reasonably long macro game, Killer's 7 bases proves too much for the elder statesman's 4 and Yellow is rolled by mass guardians.
Killer < La Mancha > Flash In an act of cunning strategy aimed deep at the heart of his opponent's weaknesses Killer 4pools. The intense micro required to defend is too much for Flash's crippled wrist to deal with and he pussies out, retiring hurt.
Killer < Bloody Ridge > Stats Completely demoralised before he even gets into the booth due to the savage beatdowns on his team's best zerg, noble captain and ace player, the all-killing wunderkind pulls a Ruby and presses escape during the countdown, earning himself a DQ to avoid being humiliated by the real zerg tyrant.
On January 17 2011 16:33 DropBear wrote: Predictions!
Killer < Benzene > Action In a lucky start that gives no clues of the annihilation to come, Killer wins the game-deciding muta battle when Action accidentally patrol-micros his zerglings instead of his mutas, while move-commanding his air force to their deaths.
Killer < Icarus > YellOw In an astonishing display of micro, Killer's scouting drone kills 4 of Yellow's workers, delaying Yellow's pool and allowing him to 3hatch before pool for a large economic advantage. By the end of a reasonably long macro game, Killer's 7 bases proves too much for the elder statesman's 4 and Yellow is rolled by mass guardians.
Killer < La Mancha > Flash In an act of cunning strategy aimed deep at the heart of his opponent's weaknesses Killer 4pools. The intense micro required to defend is too much for Flash's crippled wrist to deal with and he pussies out, retiring hurt.
Killer < Bloody Ridge > Stats Completely demoralised before he even gets into the booth due to the savage beatdowns on his team's best zerg, noble captain and ace player, the all-killing wunderkind pulls a Ruby and presses escape during the countdown, earning himself a DQ to avoid being humiliated by the real zerg tyrant.
when flash was knocked out of both individual leagues I was overjoyed that I wouldnt have to watch another Lee ssang final. but then it was weird because once I realized there would be no lee ssang rok this season in indi leagues, I started missing it almost instantaneously. needless to say, so pumped for this + Show Spoiler +
On January 17 2011 16:33 DropBear wrote: Predictions!
Killer < Benzene > Action In a lucky start that gives no clues of the annihilation to come, Killer wins the game-deciding muta battle when Action accidentally patrol-micros his zerglings instead of his mutas, while move-commanding his air force to their deaths.
Killer < Icarus > YellOw In an astonishing display of micro, Killer's scouting drone kills 4 of Yellow's workers, delaying Yellow's pool and allowing him to 3hatch before pool for a large economic advantage. By the end of a reasonably long macro game, Killer's 7 bases proves too much for the elder statesman's 4 and Yellow is rolled by mass guardians.
Killer < La Mancha > Flash In an act of cunning strategy aimed deep at the heart of his opponent's weaknesses Killer 4pools. The intense micro required to defend is too much for Flash's crippled wrist to deal with and he pussies out, retiring hurt.
Killer < Bloody Ridge > Stats Completely demoralised before he even gets into the booth due to the savage beatdowns on his team's best zerg, noble captain and ace player, the all-killing wunderkind pulls a Ruby and presses escape during the countdown, earning himself a DQ to avoid being humiliated by the real zerg tyrant.
Yeah and at the end Killer pulls off his mask and reveals that he's Luxury come back to AK his team after his retirement. Universe explodes.
Ooh shit little more than 1 hour till the game *squeal*
Kespa refs crowd around Killer(Luxury) in an effort to remove him from the stage when he literally kills all the members of KT before being shot to death himself.
On January 17 2011 16:33 DropBear wrote: Predictions!
Killer < Benzene > Action In a lucky start that gives no clues of the annihilation to come, Killer wins the game-deciding muta battle when Action accidentally patrol-micros his zerglings instead of his mutas, while move-commanding his air force to their deaths.
Killer < Icarus > YellOw In an astonishing display of micro, Killer's scouting drone kills 4 of Yellow's workers, delaying Yellow's pool and allowing him to 3hatch before pool for a large economic advantage. By the end of a reasonably long macro game, Killer's 7 bases proves too much for the elder statesman's 4 and Yellow is rolled by mass guardians.
Killer < La Mancha > Flash In an act of cunning strategy aimed deep at the heart of his opponent's weaknesses Killer 4pools. The intense micro required to defend is too much for Flash's crippled wrist to deal with and he pussies out, retiring hurt.
Killer < Bloody Ridge > Stats Completely demoralised before he even gets into the booth due to the savage beatdowns on his team's best zerg, noble veteran and ace player, the all-killing wunderkind pulls a Ruby and presses escape during the countdown, earning himself a DQ to avoid being humiliated by the real zerg tyrant.
I have work in 4 hours, I am waking up just to hope of seeing Flash vs Jaedong live. Please make this happen >.<(make it fast too so I can sleep for at least 2 hours.)
Looks like coach is doing the let Jaedong get 3 kills then either finish off Flash or let his 3 teammate try and finish Flash. Must have been practicing a lot of vT
Jaedong with an ultra fast 3rd at 6.5, normally a position that zerg spawning at 7.5 on Benzene wouldn't take their 3rd gas at. Will Violet be able to see through this treachery?
Violet's probe looking around in the usual 3rd/4th locations for jd's 3rd base.
Stargate warping in.
Spire going up for JD.
First sair out, killing an overlord flying over Violet's nat, then flies to 7 and sees JD's 3rd. he is joined by a second sair, and another overlord goes down.
On January 17 2011 18:19 mnesthes wrote: Jaedong with an ultra fast 3rd at 6.5, normally a position that zerg spawning at 7.5 on Benzene wouldn't take their 3rd gas at. Will Violet be able to see through this treachery?
its a normal timing to take the third.. and normally they never take the top/bottom bases as a third because of territorial reasons
JD expanding and has hive tech. playing it safe does ok sometimes i guess hahaha. Living off of lings ovies and some scourge can be pretty cost effective.
this is looking suspiciously a lot like these ICCup games where Zerg rushes Hive with mininmal defenses (only thing that would complete it would be an Ultralisk follow up ---;
good timming by violet. jaedong seemed like he was switching from hydras to counter the sairs to ling lurker defiler, and got hit by violet right before he could completely macro to that unit composition. even with consume it looks like he didn't have nearly enough lurkers.
don't really wanna say it, but i kinda saw jd losing tho not to violet. from an objective point of view jd has not been performing as well as he needs to be. still solid, but more like a kal level player than even a bisu level player right now.
the last time Jaedong lost to a not Bisu/Stork Protoss was back in 09-06-18, which was against Movie's Dragoon allin
Jaedong's strategy simply did not work on this map, maybe on a map w/ another base/nat, but not on Benzene. Seems like he didn't really practice ZvP on this map..
I think Violets sair harass was more effective than anyone realized, thats my only explanation. It let him grab an uncontested 3rd which just snowballed from there.
I think that game was more of Jaedong play bad than Violet play very good? That was odd game by Jaedong. He took the 3rd at a usual spot and rush to cracklings? then a lot of overlord losss.. weird game by Jaedong.. That or Well play Violet. I CANT TELL
On January 17 2011 18:34 Holgerius wrote: Oz don't have any chance whatsoever of winning now. Fucking hell. I was so pumped for this and now it's over.
On January 17 2011 18:34 Holgerius wrote: Oz don't have any chance whatsoever of winning now. Fucking hell. I was so pumped for this and now it's over.
On January 17 2011 18:34 ArvickHero wrote: the last time Jaedong lost to a not Bisu/Stork Protoss was back in 09-06-18, which was against Movie's Dragoon allin
On January 17 2011 18:34 ArvickHero wrote: the last time Jaedong lost to a not Bisu/Stork Protoss was back in 09-06-18, which was against Movie's Dragoon allin
Jaedong's strategy simply did not work on this map, maybe on a map w/ another base/nat, but not on Benzene. Seems like he didn't really practice ZvP on this map..
i think he dropped a game to Kal in WCG...
but seriously, was not expecting this ... at all ... wow.
I woke up in the middle of the night, got hyped and everything, just to see a default Z loss vs. P? There was nothing like JD in this game, no impressive micro, no aggression. He played just like Killer or some other random passive turtle Z.
One of those typical Jaedong games where he goes some braindead strategy and loses to a noob. Not the first time and likely not the last. Violet played well but not amazingly.
Violet played well but that was just fucking godawful from Jaedong. When is he going to learn to stop using that shitty build? Was there any reason whatsoever to even start using that build in the first place? Zergs were doing just fine last season with the normal 12 hatch opening -> 3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra build.
Oz played Jaedong first hoping that he could breeze through the KT lineup and be better warmed up to face Flash. I'm guessing KT predicted this and sent Violet (great at PvZ Zealot timing attacks which always seem to catch Jaedong).
This reminds me of the end of All Quiet on the Western Front when Paul Bäumer (Jaedong) tries to get to the butterfly and gets shot by a sniper (Violet) and then there is a shot of all his now dead friends (Hwaseung Oz) walking and turning to face the camera then walking on.
On January 17 2011 18:34 ArvickHero wrote: the last time Jaedong lost to a not Bisu/Stork Protoss was back in 09-06-18, which was against Movie's Dragoon allin
Wrong, I remember a loss to Kal in 2010.
oh crap somehow I missed that, it was from the Bigfile MSL lol. But the point still stands, its been a veryyy long time since an ordinary Protoss beat Jaedong lol
jaedong has let corsairs absolutely rape him for three straight games in a row. something is up with jaedong. if he can't win an msl that's paved for his victory, then maybe the tyrant really has fallen.
On January 17 2011 18:35 Quarz wrote: Jaedong is not S-Class anymore. I have really lost my faith in him.
over one game?
ok
I haven't lost total faith in JD unlike others. It felt like Jaedong wanted to play around with some weird ass build, and got played with instead. I bet if it was Bisu or Flash he would've played standard. Standard = rape.
On January 17 2011 18:35 Quarz wrote: Jaedong is not S-Class anymore. I have really lost my faith in him.
over one game?
ok
He lose 2 times to stork and Light, loses to Bisu badly, his ace match apperance is bad. He doesnt win the importans games. He also lost to Hogil because of reatrded decisions.
i noticed the second i saw that forge not spinning; the +1 wasn't coming. he knew the +1 was applied to air, meaning he had to go hydras. why did he play defensively against overlord harass? what were defilers going to do in that position? i don't understand. he knew storm was coming, he knew zealots rape hydras. why the rush for defiler?
questions that need answers :'( all the hype is dead. fuck.
man that has to be the worst play I've seen from Jaedong in a really long time. Looked liked he was counting on just rushing to defilers and controlling the game from there, but violet had way too big of a lead.... and i cant really figure out where that lead came from lol. I guess he got more overlords than I realized and was able to double expand with no pressure at all. i would say that it was risk to take the 4th so fast and that it paid off but I dont think it even really kicked in before the attack started.
On January 17 2011 18:35 Ryo wrote: Jaedong and his "make no army" build. Terrible. I can't believe the Oz coaches haven't advised him against it.
It worked beautifully against Stats last time around. Benzene is not suitable for it, JD's fourth was really late.
yeah his 4th was quite a bit late. he put down 2 hatches at the same time at his 4th 600 minerals which is quite a bit of what could have been units to stop violet
On January 17 2011 18:35 Quarz wrote: Jaedong is not S-Class anymore. I have really lost my faith in him.
over one game?
ok
He lose 2 times to stork and Light, loses to Bisu badly, his ace match apperance is bad. He doesnt win the importans games. He also lost to Hogil because of reatrded decisions.
he hasn't won important games for a while now ;p
i honestly think his losses to flash over last season shook him up more than he thinks it has, he doesnt seem to have the confidence anymore
On January 17 2011 18:35 Quarz wrote: Jaedong is not S-Class anymore. I have really lost my faith in him.
over one game?
ok
He lose 2 times to stork and Light, loses to Bisu badly, his ace match apperance is bad. He doesnt win the importans games. He also lost to Hogil because of reatrded decisions.
he hasn't won important games for a while now ;p
i honestly think his losses to flash over last season shook him up more than he thinks it has, he doesnt seem to have the confidence anymore
but i would still say he's S class for sure
As much as he's sucking ATM. He's still the best zerg in town.
Oh im sorry, but why this game recommended, horrible play by Jd and nothing spectacular from a scrub? this is horrible Jd, simply unexplainable, why the fuck u lose like this to a noname,god damn it Jd. MSL WINNER u say, how he even got so far with such an atrocious play?
On January 17 2011 18:35 Ryo wrote: Jaedong and his "make no army" build. Terrible. I can't believe the Oz coaches haven't advised him against it.
It worked beautifully against Stats last time around. Benzene is not suitable for it, JD's fourth was really late.
it worked once against stats. the next game against jangbi, jaedong got lucky because jangbi hesitated rather than attack. the next game against bisu, jaedong got crushed (corsair raped). the next game against stork, jaedong got crushed (corsair raped). now against violet, jaedong gets crushed (corsair raped).
On January 17 2011 18:34 Holgerius wrote: Oz don't have any chance whatsoever of winning now. Fucking hell. I was so pumped for this and now it's over.
On January 17 2011 18:35 Ryo wrote: Jaedong and his "make no army" build. Terrible. I can't believe the Oz coaches haven't advised him against it.
It worked beautifully against Stats last time around. Benzene is not suitable for it, JD's fourth was really late.
He's lost more than he's won with this/similar builds. Just because it's worked once or twice doesn't mean it's a good build.
my guess it works fuckin beautifully against Anytime/Perfectman, which is why he tries it so much. Notice his losses against Bisu and Stork featured weird offbeat/strange timing attacks to take down Jaedong, and had they been unsuccessful in their attacks they would've had a difficult time against Jaedong as he enters into the late-game stage.
Still, doesn't excuse how horrible of a strat it is on a map like Benzene, a map more suited for attacking and doesn't have an easy fourth if he took his third at 6
On January 17 2011 18:42 letian wrote: Oh im sorry, but why this game recommended, horrible play by Jd and nothing spectacular from a scrub? this is horrible Jd, simply unexplainable, why the fuck u lose like this to a noname,god damn it Jd. MSL WINNER u say, how he even got so far with such an antrocious play?
Recommended games poll never works anyway. People recommend any sort of crap nowadays simply based on results it seems.
Killer raped Violet in the previous round. All he did was play normal instead of this greedy, turtling to hive crap.
I sincerely hope Jaedong has something good planned for the (potential) finals match against Stork and that the only reason he keeps using this shitty build is because he doesn't want to reveal his actual builds/strategies.
On January 17 2011 18:35 Quarz wrote: Jaedong is not S-Class anymore. I have really lost my faith in him.
over one game?
ok
He lose 2 times to stork and Light, loses to Bisu badly, his ace match apperance is bad. He doesnt win the importans games. He also lost to Hogil because of reatrded decisions.
he hasn't won important games for a while now ;p
i honestly think his losses to flash over last season shook him up more than he thinks it has, he doesnt seem to have the confidence anymore
but i would still say he's S class for sure
As much as he's sucking ATM. He's still the best zerg in town.
Shine, Clam, Roro, hell even Hero put up a better fight than jaedong did...
On January 17 2011 18:42 letian wrote: Oh im sorry, but why this game recommended, horrible play by Jd and nothing spectacular from a scrub? this is horrible Jd, simply unexplainable, why the fuck u lose like this to a noname,god damn it Jd. MSL WINNER u say, how he even got so far with such an atrocious play?
> Violet is not a noname. It was confusing though.
On January 17 2011 18:35 Quarz wrote: Jaedong is not S-Class anymore. I have really lost my faith in him.
over one game?
ok
He lose 2 times to stork and Light, loses to Bisu badly, his ace match apperance is bad. He doesnt win the importans games. He also lost to Hogil because of reatrded decisions.
he hasn't won important games for a while now ;p
i honestly think his losses to flash over last season shook him up more than he thinks it has, he doesnt seem to have the confidence anymore
but i would still say he's S class for sure
As much as he's sucking ATM. He's still the best zerg in town.
Shine, Clam, Roro, hell even Hero put up a better fight than jaedong did...
On January 17 2011 18:51 TimeOut wrote: Bye Killer, I guess. That was quick.
(Now it's "fuck you too" vs. "FUCK YOU p3". Haha.) Edit: And now "fuck oz" plays vs. "and fuck kt".
Haha Craton is having a bad day
I have more fun watching Craton update the overlay than with the actual game at the moment. :/ Killer doesn't surrender, PEW PEW. Mutalisks vs Corsairs, charge!
Uh, Craton switches to ACE vs. Fox. I guess I should be happy, because the chance to see actual good games is probably twice as high in that matchup. :/
Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
On January 17 2011 19:01 Yamoth wrote: Recommend this game just for the epic fails by both player.
How did Violet fail exactly? I thought he played a pretty good game.
I'm guessing he's refer to the failure of a defense at his nat, but imo as long as he didn't lose it he was fine. It was pretty much an insurmountable disadvantage for Killer anyways lol
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
On January 17 2011 19:03 StylishVODs wrote: wts up with protoss in PL. Bunch of all kills and 3 kills. either, suddenly all protoss players increased their skill over a night or its map related.
It's like a pendulum. When a race has its dark ages, eventually they will come around with an age of glory (sorta)
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.
Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.
On January 17 2011 19:05 moopie wrote: He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.
There were more than 8 hydras there by a long way, unless I was seeing things o.o
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
After that much damage to 3rd, muta switch was pretty much to be expected seeing how Killer is not so stupid that he didn't notice a single crosair flying around and the scourge hitting absolutely nothing. It wouldn't been too horrible if violet would just switch to dragoon after the successful break instead of doing what ever he hell it is that he did.
On January 17 2011 19:09 DarkMatter_ wrote: Violet is going to 3-0 and then Backho or Anytime are going to reverse all-kill. That's just how tosses roll this season.
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.
Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.
Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.
On January 17 2011 19:10 moopie wrote: 3 streams for Fox/ace, none for Oz/Kt
To be honest, it's not that interesting anymore.
Sure it is. Violet has been slumping for months, I want to rejoice damnit
I mean, <3 the streamers for everything they do for us, but 3 streams for fox/ace?
Fun for a Violet fan, and perhaps the KT fans who don't mind the fact that it's already over, but it's not very interesting for an objective viewer anymore.
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.
Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.
Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.
It wasn't about doing damage, it was about forcing Killer to the defensive. Violet moving those zealots out would have forced the mutas out. Instead he lost a handful of sairs, all the initial goons, some probes and cannons until he was able to get enough to get enough (still alive) to do it. I'll see your rules #1 and 2, and raise you #3, idle armies are better served forcing your opponents on the defensive.
LOL Violet is owning it up. With Flash and Jaedong in the mix I can't say I expected this of all things.. maybe Stats but definitely not Violet. Good to see someone else winning games though.
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.
Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.
Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.
It wasn't about doing damage, it was about forcing Killer to the defensive. Violet moving those zealots out would have forced the mutas out. Instead he lost a handful of sairs, all the initial goons, some probes and cannons until he was able to get enough to get enough (still alive) to do it. I'll see your rules #1 and 2, and raise you #3, idle armies are better served forcing your opponents on the defensive.
Um, he didn't NEED the mutas there to defend those zealots. At that time Killer was already in the production of hydras anyhow and going all in. You don't charge in against an all in army and give them the best position. If you just wanted him to feint an attack then I can kind of see the value, but then you just lose zealots to mutas which is just as bad as losing sairs and probes when your opponent is massing up hydras.
Violet played smart and cautiously after securing a game defining advantage. Nothing he did was necessarily wrong besides maybe not putting up some cannons faster.
I seriously don't understand what you're criticizing. We're both zerg players (atleast I assume with your icon). Have you ever tried to go for an all in push and had your opponent attack INTO your base and it turn out well when all you've been producing for 3 minutes were combat units? It would've been a complete waste of zealots that were needed against a massed up hydra army.
I don't know why in normal rounds where everyone can play, KT only rely on Flash, but when in WL, KT doesn't need Flash. Flash this round is not worth his 13 points .
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote: Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.
Still, Violet hwaiting!
That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.
He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.
Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.
Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.
It wasn't about doing damage, it was about forcing Killer to the defensive. Violet moving those zealots out would have forced the mutas out. Instead he lost a handful of sairs, all the initial goons, some probes and cannons until he was able to get enough to get enough (still alive) to do it. I'll see your rules #1 and 2, and raise you #3, idle armies are better served forcing your opponents on the defensive.
Um, he didn't NEED the mutas there to defend those zealots. At that time Killer was already in the production of hydras anyhow and going all in. You don't charge in against an all in army and give them the best position. If you just wanted him to feint an attack then I can kind of see the value, but then you just lose zealots to mutas which is just as bad as losing sairs and probes when your opponent is massing up hydras.
Violet played smart and cautiously after securing a game defining advantage. Nothing he did was necessarily wrong besides maybe not putting up some cannons faster.
I seriously don't understand what you're criticizing. We're both zerg players (atleast I assume with your icon). Have you ever tried to go for an all in push and had your opponent attack INTO your base and it turn out well when all you've been producing for 3 minutes were combat units? It would've been a complete waste of zealots that were needed against a massed up hydra army.
10 hydras + 2 sunks vs 17 +1 speedlots and 3 DTs. (as of the moment the mutas popped). Yeah he would have been fine.
On January 17 2011 19:23 NicksonReyes wrote: I don't know why in normal rounds where everyone can play, KT only rely on Flash, but when in WL, KT doesn't need Flash. Flash this round is not worth his 13 points .
this is the first time that flash has not gotten 3 kills right?
This is good for Flash if KT can start winning without him, in recent interviews he's been talking a lot about health problems etc, so this way he gets more time to rest without having to pull 3 kills every second game.
On another note, for the sake of my FPL I kind of wish it was Stats pulling this 3-0 instead of Violet, but I guess we can't be too picky...
On January 17 2011 19:23 NicksonReyes wrote: I don't know why in normal rounds where everyone can play, KT only rely on Flash, but when in WL, KT doesn't need Flash. Flash this round is not worth his 13 points .
this is the first time that flash has not gotten 3 kills right?
On January 17 2011 19:25 n.DieJokes wrote: Well if we do get allkilled I'm glad its to and awful toss like violet and not somebody good, then it might not be as embarrassing and hurt so much
remember when violet was actually good?
It happend early last year and the spring before that,
On January 17 2011 19:23 NicksonReyes wrote: I don't know why in normal rounds where everyone can play, KT only rely on Flash, but when in WL, KT doesn't need Flash. Flash this round is not worth his 13 points .
this is the first time that flash has not gotten 3 kills right?
Stat's all kill would like to have a word with you
On January 17 2011 19:22 Holgerius wrote: I will take team depth over Flash's records any day of the week
Beating OZ doesn't require any team depth especially when Jaedong isn't in his best shape.
This isn't about Oz anymore though, this is showing the fans (and opponents) that Violet isn't in as big of a slump anymore, giving hope of the KT from last year (minus ForGG T_T). The less people that underestimate VIolet (and as a result, less "KTFlash") the better.
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
Protoss seems to be kicking ass this season in general, be it in the individual leagues or the proleague.
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
I'm so trading Flash for Jaehoon next time trades open.
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
Protoss seems to be kicking ass this season in general, be it in the individual leagues or the proleague.
Anyone surprised? Really? '08 year of Protoss, '09 year of Zerg, '10 year of Terran, '11 year of Protoss??? I think the map makers are doing this on purpose.
On January 17 2011 19:32 nodule wrote: Violet hasn't been a good player this season
Violet seems to be able to play at a decently high level but isn't able to maintain said level. He has wins against top players like Stork, Fantasy, Zero and now Jaedong this season but sadly that makes up about half of his wins thus far. ><
On January 17 2011 19:30 marcoso wrote: It makes me sad that some people don't recognize Violet as a good player.
Well he was pretty good last season, this season not so much slumped pretty much both R1 and 2 But without the burden of captain, Let's hope he revives his play!
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
Protoss seems to be kicking ass this season in general, be it in the individual leagues or the proleague.
Anyone surprised? Really? '08 year of Protoss, '09 year of Zerg, '10 year of Flash, '11 year of Protoss??? I think the map makers are doing this on purpose.
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
Protoss seems to be kicking ass this season in general, be it in the individual leagues or the proleague.
Anyone surprised? Really? '08 year of Protoss, '09 year of Zerg, '10 year of Terran, '11 year of Protoss??? I think the map makers are doing this on purpose.
i don't see any glaring imbalances tho. it just seems all zergs cept hogil and shine all braindamage and can't make hydras.
On January 17 2011 19:30 marcoso wrote: It makes me sad that some people don't recognize Violet as a good player.
Theres always new people entering the BW scene.
Please, Violets been awful this season. You don't see me saying HiyA's gonna rape violet because he used to have s class TvP, times change Edit: Uggghh
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
Protoss seems to be kicking ass this season in general, be it in the individual leagues or the proleague.
Anyone surprised? Really? '08 year of Protoss, '09 year of Zerg, '10 year of Terran, '11 year of Protoss??? I think the map makers are doing this on purpose.
i don't see any glaring imbalances tho. it just seems all zergs cept hogil and shine all braindamage and can't make hydras.
On January 17 2011 19:31 purpose wrote: Now why oh why do all the KT scrubs feel the need to go in and allkill when I have Flash as my biggest card on my fantasy team?
And tbh, I am a protos fanboy but if Violet allkills, I am calling it. Protoss is imb!!! :-)
Protoss seems to be kicking ass this season in general, be it in the individual leagues or the proleague.
Anyone surprised? Really? '08 year of Protoss, '09 year of Zerg, '10 year of Flash, '11 year of Protoss??? I think the map makers are doing this on purpose.
Fixed.
Yes it was mostly Flash in '10 but Fantasy also had a good year and Light and Sea both did well, remember Light in last winner's league?
On January 17 2011 19:43 Graham wrote: How does M&M fare against carriers? :S
Quite well, the dps rapes interceptors, theirs too many for ff to be effective and the heal is really good at at dealing with interceptor damage. The problem, to the best of my understanding, is the transition is dangerous and most times you see carriers its after p has 4/5/6 bases and ample gas to spend on storm
On January 17 2011 19:49 Holgerius wrote: This MnM switch seems pretty good vs such a fast Carrier rush, but I don't think it would be viable in a more normal Carrier transition.
Probably not, late storm+reaver+DT is too much for MnM.
As for Violet, he needs to stop carrier production if he wants to win, but I think it's too late now.
Sad to see Violet get so close to the AK but lose, but on the other hand it's good to see Hiya win one with a pretty awesome strat against 2base carriers.
Wow... with better micro, I think Violet could've taken that easily. So many idle HTs lost, should've sniped the comsats, he kept suiciding gateway units into Hiyas natural. Sending two DTs to attack at once, etc.
Oh yeah, not only mass DT suicides, but also useless counter attempts while getting his economy killed.
Useless, because he never did any damage with any counter; however, having one more DT at home could be a difference between losing the nexus again and surviving.
Here comes the trouble, but it's probably safer to send Action out instead of say, Yellow, just becase Yellow was that guy who was matchfixing amirite?
On January 17 2011 20:06 Soulforged wrote: Oh yeah, not only mass DT suicides, but also useless counter attempts while getting his economy killed.
Useless, because he never did any damage with any counter; however, having one more DT at home could be a difference between losing the nexus again and surviving.
On January 17 2011 20:15 kuroshiroi wrote: So, who's going to be up for KT? Stats? Flashius?
Stats and then Flash I would say.
edit: The reason KT always plays scrubs like Action/Hoejja even when they're bound to lose is to give them experience and try and get them back into form. Obviously we all know how Flash plays and theres a very good chance they could have won if they simply sent out Flash after Violet. However, doing so gives no experience to other players like Action/Tempest/Hoejja/etc who have a prime opportunity to try and step up.
On January 17 2011 20:34 alffla wrote: YOOOYJ UST TUNED IN WHATH APPENED IN VIOLET VS JD
Jaedong played really passively. Went for pretty quick swarm but had no (well not no but hardly any in comparison to how many he should have) hydras. Got rolled because he had (almost) no army.
Also Violet's corsairs were ripping up overlords and JD never really managed to deal with them.
edit: the vods of it are already up in the small vods thread if you want to watch.
On January 17 2011 20:34 alffla wrote: YOOOYJ UST TUNED IN WHATH APPENED IN VIOLET VS JD
Jaedong played really passively. Went for pretty quick swarm but had no (well not no but hardly any in comparison to how many he should have) hydras. Got rolled because he had (almost) no army.
Also Violet's corsairs were ripping up overlords and JD never really managed to deal with them.
ooo ok thanks :D
hm.. .even if hiya wins hes gonna have a tough time against flash lol o _O
On January 17 2011 20:34 alffla wrote: YOOOYJ UST TUNED IN WHATH APPENED IN VIOLET VS JD
JD decided to do swarm lurker defence at his nat and third on benzene which is a bad idea because theres no easily accessable 4th, some good sair micro later and JD lost multiple ol's, at this time jd has no ground to be agressive and violet takes a pretty quick third and 4th. JD starts to get hydras to get some army out to hold a 4th but due to the epic ol harras and quicker bases from violet, jd's army was crushed from violets hanbang timing
Not sure why Hiya didn't pull back something to clean up his main. He's lost pretty much everything in his main now and is trying to pick off Stats' expos.
That was pretty awful decision making at the end. Decided to wander the middle as his base was getting dominated. Sent back NOTHING, and then proceeded to lay siege to Stats expo with only 3 siege tanks. Gave Stats time to rape his main and get back in time to clean up.
On January 17 2011 15:40 StylishVODs wrote: I wouldn't count Jaedong out. A few losses has never caused him to slump before and it won't now. 3 or allkill from either flash or jd is pretty much given here though
Just because we're all expecting something along those lines this will end up with JD getting sent out first, loses a ZvZ to Action due to build orders, and then it's a bunch of mediocre games with mediocre players until KT wins 4-2 before we even get to see Flash play.
Heh, things didn't go exactly like this, but the basic principle of JD losing disappointingly in Game 1 and then 4-2 without Flash playing was spot on. Lame.
The game was pretty much over when he failed his first rush. After that Hiya was too vulnerable to stasis to make more pushes. Aztec favors Protoss too much the longer the game goes on.
On January 17 2011 20:43 Katsuge wrote: to make that sort of clutch decision to recall 2 groups in while the mech ball is in ur face is just awesome.
STATSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
more like.. hiya sucks and had awful decisionmaking in the end there
On January 17 2011 20:45 ]343[ wrote:
On January 17 2011 20:44 DarkMatter_ wrote: I think that one stasis at the beginning made all the difference.
agreed--hiya threw away any advantage he had there. though the lack of vultures on hiya's part was ?????
I'm not sure but I think I saw a minedrag kill like 5+ vultures in that first push
He had a ton of Vults that came reinforcing when the battle was already over.
yea but if the vultures that accompanied the push didn't die during the said push all at the same time. at least the disparity would've been much smaller (or maybe even a victory for Hiya)
On January 17 2011 21:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder how many people are going to get up this morning, come to this thread and be absolutely shocked by Violet beating Jaedong, lol.
Violet beating Jaedong and even going on a 3 win streak there. I wonder which people have Violet on their anti team in their FPL LOL.
So surprisingly :o but I'm glad though for Violet. He is one of my favs progamers just because I <3 KT and he's a toss :d and because he helped Kang Min my hero :d
On January 17 2011 21:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder how many people are going to get up this morning, come to this thread and be absolutely shocked by Violet beating Jaedong, lol.
Well actually I was not at home, so I tortured my mobile to get the latest epic news (so I thought) till Violet rolled past main OZ lineup, by that moment I was already in a deep void of depression, contemplating about JD is no more. Indeed the glimpses of his slump and loss of previous strength could be seen even before their vs Flash finals, he was weaker even at that time, after that so occasional losses here and there just were slowly completing the picture. Now this, JD's always confident matchup turns into a complete dismay. Moreover it seems like he didn't even try, didn't put up a fight. I think its over with JD, he will slowly become a good member of the ACE team, like Yellow was. But no more fury and ruthless will for victory, just "a veteran champion on vacation" style. All things come to an end.((
On January 17 2011 21:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder how many people are going to get up this morning, come to this thread and be absolutely shocked by Violet beating Jaedong, lol.
Well actually I was not at home, so I tortured my mobile to get the latest epic news (so I thought) till Violet rolled past main OZ lineup, by that moment I was already in a deep void of depression, contemplating about JD is no more. Indeed the glimpses of his slump and loss of previous strength could be seen even before their vs Flash finals, he was weaker even at that time, after that so occasional losses here and there just were slowly completing the picture. Now this, JD's always confident matchup turns into a complete dismay. Moreover it seems like he didn't even try, didn't put up a fight. I think its over with JD, he will slowly become a good member of the ACE team, like Yellow was. But no more fury and ruthless will for victory, just "a veteran champion on vacation" style. All things come to an end.((
On January 17 2011 22:02 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I just logged on to TL....Checking the results now....
What the hell happened?!
Someone please tell me why Jaedong lost to Violet.
The way I see it, Jaedong chose to turtle to Defiler tech on one of the less-turtle-friendly maps and had no units when Violet attacked. Actually you can check out the Small VOD thread to see for yourself.
Oh my god ;_; I just came back from watching this game.
It broke my heart that the first game I watch live is a game with JD losing..
Set 4 was so, so, SO good. The crowd pretty much started losing interest during Perfectman's match, with a few people just leaving, but during Hiya's match, the OZ fans started going crazy.
I didn't expect Hiya to do a reverse all-kill. I'm just so happy that he was able to save OZ from being completely embarrassed with a 0:4..
Interesting that OZ did a fanmeeting after the matches though. I didn't participate because the majority of the fans are junior high/high schoolers and I felt old standing near them. From what I know, the losing team usually doesn't do a fanmeeting?
On January 17 2011 22:02 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I just logged on to TL....Checking the results now....
Oh. My God. What the hell happened?!
Someone please tell me why Jaedong lost to Violet. Was he doing another "no-units-for-x-minutes" build?
Violet was without honor, they clearly agreed to a NR20 game and JD played with that understanding then BAM 6 mins into the game Violet unleashes a swarm sairs.
On January 17 2011 05:29 night terrors wrote: I think the loss that either Flash or Jaedong suffers here will come by the hands of an unexpected player.
On January 17 2011 21:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder how many people are going to get up this morning, come to this thread and be absolutely shocked by Violet beating Jaedong, lol.
So many of us...
I figured that Jaedong would win one or two and then Flash would be like "sup" and then KT would win.
Violet, how could you do this to me? You were supposed to suck for the rest of your life. .... and I was doing so good in FPL too. Damn you Violet. Damn you to hell.
Pretty surprising how this turned out after all the hype. When jaedong came up first i think everyone was expecting something along the lines of dong 3 kill followed by flash reverse 3 kill with perfectman winning the ace match or something kooky like that. Instead we get violet and stats laying down the law O.O very very surprising
kinda funny for KT how now in winner's league where nobody but flash has to win, other players start winning. and in proleague when they need more people winning they just fail.
must be that knowledge that you have a bigbrother to fall back on.
On January 18 2011 01:05 gostunv wrote: kinda funny for KT how now in winner's league where nobody but flash has to win, other players start winning. and in proleague when they need more people winning they just fail.
Actually KT has been near-KTFlash almost every game this season except for 1 game that Stats won in all the series(exception is vs ACE). This is not a common result for KT.
On January 18 2011 01:05 gostunv wrote: kinda funny for KT how now in winner's league where nobody but flash has to win, other players start winning. and in proleague when they need more people winning they just fail.
Actually KT has been near-KTFlash almost every game this season except for 1 game that Stats won in all the series(exception is vs ACE). This is not a common result for KT.
After watching a bit of this serie, it's funny how Violet 3-killed, including Jaedong, but I'll probably only remember his game against Hiya, where he got destroyed by MnM, and cast the worst storm ever^^ Poor guy, he seems so nice =)
On January 18 2011 01:05 gostunv wrote: kinda funny for KT how now in winner's league where nobody but flash has to win, other players start winning. and in proleague when they need more people winning they just fail.
Actually KT has been near-KTFlash almost every game this season except for 1 game that Stats won in all the series(exception is vs ACE). This is not a common result for KT.
4 matches into WL (which is what gostunv was saying) we have: 1 Stats all-kill, 1 Violet 3-kill with a Stats finisher, and two Flash 3-kills with random Stats win. Which is 2-0 with Flash, 2-0 without Flash. Which for KT is impressive (considering they're 7-11 in the regular PL rounds). And which is what gostunv said.
I can't believethat I predicted somewhat right About that comment earlier; it's not thatim full of flash, i still cheer for JD, but if they fight I know flash would win. On a side note, KT seem to be doing great in winners league. >
Violet vs. Jaedong was so weird. Violet took his 3rd, 4th and 5th base and JD did nothing about it. What ever happened to five hatch hydra of death? Guess the corsairs sniping the overlords did a lot of damage to Jaedong. But why the hell didn't he have more Hydras when Violet had 6+ corsairs tearing zerg air apart?
I believe the idea was to kill as much KT players as possible with help of JD, and then snipe Flash with 3 attempts in the pocket. I hope JD will revert soon from his ZvP slump. But I need to notice that PvZ is not a problem MU for tosses anymore. Zerg players should do smth about it.
I never understood Oz's tendency to send out Jaedong first in WL. None of the other teams send out their ace first ordinarily. I thought it was because of the old crazy coach, but now that he's gone, they're still doing it.
It's worked okay because JD has been a really good player (obviously), but it doesn't seem like a winning strategy, except once in a while to screw up the other team's attempts to snipe you on later maps.
Edit: Actually, I retract that little, since this is the first time they have sent him out first this season. They seemed to do it almost every time in past Winners Leagues.
I have just finished watching Jaedong vs Violet and i don't understand what was Jaedong's plan. He was sooo passive whole game... And why did he tech to defilers sooo fast? Instead of investing gas in the hive tech he needed that gas for scourges and hydras to save his ovies.
On January 18 2011 07:39 1Eris1 wrote: Wait, are you kidding me? JD lost a ZvP???
maybe jaedong gearing up for MSL so he focused less here, it will be big for him after all. since theres no flash, he just needds to take this MSL and he will tie with nada for 3 OSL and 3 MSL wins
On January 18 2011 07:39 1Eris1 wrote: Wait, are you kidding me? JD lost a ZvP???
maybe jaedong gearing up for MSL so he focused less here, it will be big for him after all. since theres no flash, he just needds to take this MSL and he will tie with nada for 3 OSL and 3 MSL wins
Hmm...good point.
Very big record could be at stake here.
Wait, Jaedong is playing Snow anyway, so this could just be a really bad sign O___O
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