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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
November 28 2010 20:47 GMT
#781
Even though I picked KT for my FPL because they were cheap, I'm still happy to see them lose.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 21:30:18
November 28 2010 21:29 GMT
#782
Flash, when he sees the queens: "Time for a 360 dunk in your face"
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
November 28 2010 22:06 GMT
#783
Is there any explanation for ForGG absence? Why Hoejja?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 22:40:55
November 28 2010 22:22 GMT
#784
On November 29 2010 05:47 zenMaster wrote:
Even though I picked KT for my FPL because they were cheap, I'm still happy to see them lose.

I don't know why people like you even bother to post.

On November 29 2010 07:06 Yodo wrote:
Is there any explanation for ForGG absence? Why Hoejja?

ForGG would have likely played on Circuit Breaker. He likely didn't even practice for Icarus.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 23:07:25
November 28 2010 23:07 GMT
#785
Thx.
At least they doing fine at football
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 23:21:36
November 28 2010 23:21 GMT
#786
time for KT to recruit a couple of blue chip prospects like MoustacheTerran and PirateTerran into their lineup up to back up Flash.

Also, play effing REACH for manliness points.
Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
November 28 2010 23:27 GMT
#787
Flash is unimpressed.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7916 Posts
November 28 2010 23:30 GMT
#788
On November 29 2010 08:21 amazingoopah wrote:
time for KT to recruit a couple of blue chip prospects like MoustacheTerran and PirateTerran into their lineup up to back up Flash.

Also, play effing REACH for manliness points.

lol Moustacheterran. Doesn't sound as good as Moustachezerg, don't know why.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 28 2010 23:33 GMT
#789
KT just has the problem to have a star player... I mean who could really want to practice against him? maybe you'll win 1 out of 10 games, but in the analysis this guy will just show you how much better he is (and before that you thought you are a good player)... not that much of a mental boost :/

same problem with Oz?
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 28 2010 23:37 GMT
#790
I dunno, when you have one player in the team who is miles ahead of the rest, most of the coach's attention is focused on him. May not be a good thing. I remember Coach Lee travelling with Flash to WCG.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
November 28 2010 23:39 GMT
#791
Flash with a new vZ ELO peak
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
November 29 2010 00:18 GMT
#792
Why Calm massed queens so match? Did he fall for advice from this thread - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172228#2 ?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 00:36:33
November 29 2010 00:36 GMT
#793
On November 29 2010 09:18 Yodo wrote:
Why Calm massed queens so match? Did he fall for advice from this thread - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172228#2 ?

He expected to have enough hydras to destroy Flash's goliath push, in which case Flash would have added tanks (which beat out mass hydras). Queens would have broken the tank wall and allowed the hydras to crush the mech, similar to what YellOw did to BoxeR at All-Stars.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
r3z3nd3
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil522 Posts
November 29 2010 00:47 GMT
#794
Vote Classic vs Action for Game OF The Week. Classic's strategy was damn risky but DAMN THAT SPINNING SCV!
Born to fast expand
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8137 Posts
November 29 2010 01:17 GMT
#795
On November 29 2010 09:47 r3z3nd3 wrote:
Vote Classic vs Action for Game OF The Week. Classic's strategy was damn risky but DAMN THAT SPINNING SCV!


i watched the VOD with chinese commentary and it was so funny hearing the chinese commentator say "Micheal Jackson SCV"
Free Palestine
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 02:24:19
November 29 2010 02:23 GMT
#796
On November 29 2010 08:39 Crt wrote:
Flash with a new vZ ELO peak


its flash .. no one really cares about his peak ..

his team is slumping, hell, even killer+ Show Spoiler +
damn it! my FPL
is picking up the slack ..

about stats .. is just his chin was overhyped, not his skills
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 05:42:31
November 29 2010 05:25 GMT
#797
On November 28 2010 13:19 okum wrote:
1. Get lurker rushed
2. Opponent builds humiliation queens
2. Win


Its not humiliation idiot? Broodling on tanks is a valid strategy so that he could go heavy hydra safely. God reading the live reports threads is painful with the stupidity, especially the omg 'flash so sexy' posts when all he did was mech and attack at the right time to win. Everything was on Calm to have a valid follow up build planned. An obvious facet of it will be to block vulture harass. Just 3 hydras on various ramps ffs or at least a sunken here or there. then broodling every tank, hydra spam the shit out of him in the middle. It all makes sense except the failure of the harass part.

On November 28 2010 13:20 Katsuge wrote:
guess i expected that once clam's lurkers got cleaned up..:>


You got 4000 posts and you don't understand that his lurkers already did the required job? I'm really surprised at the lack of strategical understanding on here, or at least completely underestimating progamers knowledge of what they are doing. How exactly did you expect the lurkers to play a part past that part of the game? He delayed nat by huge amount and gained eco advantage. Then the risky very timing critical queen strategy did not pay off, simple as that. It's a hard map vs mech on hence why i think he tried the queens to rid of the tanks, rather than throw hydras at tanked chokes.

It's usual Flash goes heavy tank/vult so i dunno if he anticipated the Queen more or not, his Goliath count made it seem like he expected a muta backstab prehaps? Either way both players did ok, Calm just needed to defend the obvious harass better.

On November 28 2010 13:25 whathappened wrote:
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On November 28 2010 13:24 calvinL wrote:
Well I don't think Flash was that behind at all, he barely loss any SCV's and took minimal losses to clean up Calm's lurkers. Meanwhile Calm sacrificed so much early economy without doing much.

Then he just sat there, no harass.. double expand and hope Flash doesn't attack? Yeah.. Calm had no gameplan after the lurker-ling attack failed.


What, do you understand the game at all? He went lurker opening and you want him to somehow harass? Unless you want to try a basically all-in drop against range upgraded goliaths it ain't gonna happen. Of course he double expanded to catch up to a 14CC economically. Jesus christ this thread just makes me angry with people who literally think they know more than what Calm was doing. Lurker was never intended to end the game thats why he never even tried to get up the ramp. He got unlucky with drone/unit choices, Queen timing and Flash's unit composition that's all, things very hard to get right against Terran. Try actually PLAYING a ZvT sometime before talking shit.

It's arguable if the queen to counter tank strategy is very viable or not, but remember EffOrt did it in an OSL final game so its a good assumption that if done right, yes it is. And Kwanro's awful game vs Flash isn't a good indication of the strategy or not so don't even bring that up. They wouldn't attempt it at all if it didn't work in practice.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
November 29 2010 05:48 GMT
#798
Btw one suggestion i have used and i suggest for everyone to try in regards to worker harass, (i've only seen once recently in a pro game and it wasn't intentionally planned) is to have ovie at your gas or bottom mineral then stack move your workers to the ovie (with drop researched). Instead of just making them sitting ducks moving from base to base, sometimes even moving into a second trap.

Could work for PvZ as well if you're facing an opponent who likes 4 zealot drops, although they are normally for quick tech kills. Someone might suggest simply burrow as a cheaper quicker to use alternative but a good terran will always have a quick scan at the ready and then you've just further fucked up your drones. Keep in mind ovies good for escaping drones from any situation really, people don't use it enough. Island just been dropped? Pick em up. Someone killing your nydus with no reinforcements nearby? Pick em up. Not to mention the obvious other uses of drop. Just basically use drop more, defensively as well as offensively.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
November 29 2010 05:52 GMT
#799
On November 29 2010 08:37 Ryo wrote:
I dunno, when you have one player in the team who is miles ahead of the rest, most of the coach's attention is focused on him. May not be a good thing. I remember Coach Lee travelling with Flash to WCG.

You might be right. Everyone talks about how much better the current KT coach is for Flash, but maybe in the process of helping Flash he forgot to care for his other players, resulting in their failure.
That could very well be the problem.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 29 2010 06:08 GMT
#800
On November 29 2010 14:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
Jesus christ this thread just makes me angry with people who literally think they know more than what Calm was doing.


Chill man .. wtf? no sense getting your angry about this .. makes you look like a schmuck too.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
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