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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 01 2010 16:54 scrubtastic wrote: Kal had that game won until he decided to donate some very expensive units for 0 kills Actually, that's not true at all. Initially, the reaver harass was successful enough. But fantasy had 3 bases on Kal's 2. BAD BAD BAD for the protoss. He really needed more, and that's what he tried. But in the end, STX was just left with a pile of broken reavers as they headed home, so close but still not quite. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:01 Zona wrote: Except that in proleague the amount of money a team has in its budget depends really on how much the corporate sponsor is willing to spend, not how much money they made in their business selling tickets, broadcast rights, merchandise, etc.? Only in the latter scenario does "the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" make a sound explanation of what's going on. By assets, STX is actually a bigger corp than SK Telecom. + Show Spoiler + But while SK Telecom issues its own shares, it's also affiliated with SK Group which is larger. Plus I figure STX doesn't budget as much to their team as proleague mostly reaches individuals and their business is less consumer oriented than SK Telecom's. Someone missed the point. | ||
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
has STX even made PL finals? ever? answering my own question: yes, sort of, back when they had playoffs for each round, this happened: Oct 30th Final P&C vs SouL 1: GoodFriend > Jju on Bifrost 3 2: Jju/Hwasin(Z/T) > NaDa/Silver(T/Z) on Mercury zero 3: NaDa > Yooi on Incubus 2004 4: Silver/Goodfriend(Z/T) > TheWind/CCoMa(rZ/Z) on Odin 5: Sir@Soni > Soo on Requiem P&C 4:1 SouL | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:11 jalstar wrote: has STX even made PL finals? ever? answering my own question: yes, sort of, back when they had playoffs for each round, this happened: Oct 30th Final P&C vs SouL 1: GoodFriend > Jju on Bifrost 3 2: Jju/Hwasin(Z/T) > NaDa/Silver(T/Z) on Mercury zero 3: NaDa > Yooi on Incubus 2004 4: Silver/Goodfriend(Z/T) > TheWind/CCoMa(rZ/Z) on Odin 5: Sir@Soni > Soo on Requiem P&C 4:1 SouL is there a reason you quoted me? lol | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:11 jalstar wrote: jalstar, you're kind of proving the point that esports is dominated by a figurehead like skthas STX even made PL finals? ever? answering my own question: yes, sort of, back when they had playoffs for each round, this happened: Oct 30th Final P&C vs SouL 1: GoodFriend > Jju on Bifrost 3 2: Jju/Hwasin(Z/T) > NaDa/Silver(T/Z) on Mercury zero 3: NaDa > Yooi on Incubus 2004 4: Silver/Goodfriend(Z/T) > TheWind/CCoMa(rZ/Z) on Odin 5: Sir@Soni > Soo on Requiem P&C 4:1 SouL | ||
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:15 ArvickHero wrote: You know, an SKT vs KT final is far better for eSports than a STX vs KT final would ever be. The turn out will be monstrously HUGE this year, knowing how strong the fanbases are for both of these powerhouses, while STX really pales in comparison. I'm pretty sure finals like Hite vs Khan had some of the worst showings in PL Finals history. Worse showings = less sponsors = death of SC. So actually SKT winning is better for eSports than STX winning. the best possibly outcome to me would of been eSTRO making the playoffs and then winning it all. it doesnt get more mighty ducks than that. plus I dont think "oh there are less fans at the finals" really means that pro SC will die lol. we already had OGN vs KHAN and esports went on as strong as ever... | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:15 ArvickHero wrote: You know, an SKT vs KT final is far better for eSports than a STX vs KT final would ever be. The turn out will be monstrously HUGE this year, knowing how strong the fanbases are for both of these powerhouses, while STX really pales in comparison. I'm pretty sure finals like Hite vs Khan had some of the worst showings in PL Finals history. Worse showings = less sponsors = death of SC. So actually SKT winning is better for eSports than STX winning. Let's seed Flash and Jaedong to the finals of every single Starleague. Other gamers need not even play. They can just, like, be the audience or something. | ||
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TacToSs
Australia330 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:17 hyst.eric.al wrote: jalstar, you're kind of proving the point that esports is dominated by a figurehead like skt "Figurehead" implies that they don't play well enough to deserve their wins. On August 01 2010 17:17 Ideas wrote: the best possibly outcome to me would of been eSTRO making the playoffs and then winning it all. it doesnt get more mighty ducks than that. Personally, I don't share your desire for a "Mighty Ducks" outcome (guess that's why I'm an SKT fan =/). Regardless of the "story", I just want to see some good BW games. And IMO, given the teams in their current states, SKT vs KT has the highest probability of producing good BW games. On August 01 2010 17:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Let's seed Flash and Jaedong to the finals of every single Starleague. Other gamers need not even play. They can just, like, be the audience or something. You know that's not the same thing. That said, I don't see anyone bitching that we got 2 seasons in a row of Flash v Jaedong finals. In fact, those finals got enormous turnouts and unbelievable amounts of hype on TL and other sites (even despite the fiasco of the first one). | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:19 TacToSs wrote: T_T at least it wasn't a roflstomp like people would think That's the constellation I take. There's next season  And STX got third place now, in a way. | ||
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:23 Badjas wrote: That's the constellation I take. There's next season And STX got third place now, in a way.now we can look forward to calm winning MSL and kal winning OSL lol | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:01 Zona wrote: gee thanks for the information, Mr.Unofficial leader of SKT Fanclub.Except that in proleague the amount of money a team has in its budget depends really on how much the corporate sponsor is willing to spend, not how much money they made in their business selling tickets, broadcast rights, merchandise, etc.? Only in the latter scenario does "the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" make a sound explanation of what's going on. By assets, STX is actually a bigger corp than SK Telecom. + Show Spoiler + But while SK Telecom issues its own shares, it's also affiliated with SK Group which is larger. Plus I figure STX doesn't budget as much to their team as proleague mostly reaches individuals and their business is less consumer oriented than SK Telecom's. Plus, KT has never won. And plenty of teams other than SKT have won, there's your "Mighty Ducks" there (the movies were lame btw). Just not this year. You mean, it's good to see things as they are in the world of professional Brood War, without any biases clouding one's judgement. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:17 Ideas wrote: the best possibly outcome to me would of been eSTRO making the playoffs and then winning it all. it doesnt get more mighty ducks than that. plus I dont think "oh there are less fans at the finals" really means that pro SC will die lol. we already had OGN vs KHAN and esports went on as strong as ever... It was a little tongue-in-cheek yea, not really meant to be that serious, but you seemed to be really obsessed w/ the notion of a Mighty Duck scenario | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
On August 01 2010 17:02 Lightwip wrote: Actually, that's not true at all. Initially, the reaver harass was successful enough. But fantasy had 3 bases on Kal's 2. BAD BAD BAD for the protoss. He really needed more, and that's what he tried. But in the end, STX was just left with a pile of broken reavers as they headed home, so close but still not quite. Fanta's min only was very unsecure at this point. The resources thrown into dual shuttle harass could have been used to supplement an attack on the very vulnerable 3rd which would have done a ton of damage at this point in the game and allowed Kal to catch up economically. Yes he needed to cause more damage but dual shuttles this late in the game is a very high-risk and expensive way to try and cause damage, and it can fail really really hard like it did here. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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~ava
Canada378 Posts
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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