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[SPL] Playoffs: STX SouL vs SK Telecom T1, Day 2 - Page 82

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Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 19:30:48
August 01 2010 19:06 GMT
#1621
I feel asleep during the ace match and I do not remember when I did. I just remember hearing some korean in the background and waking up to my laptop in sleep mode and some earbuds tangled around me. I guess I subconsciously knew SKT was going to win it and that my LB was going to be fine.
(Time to catch up on a missed match! )
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
August 01 2010 20:30 GMT
#1622
Fantasy has been so great during these playoffs. Congrats to SKT!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 21:24:37
August 01 2010 21:22 GMT
#1623
On August 02 2010 04:04 Cheeseburgered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 03:09 thopol wrote:
I'm fucking crushed. There's always next year I suppose, but if T1 wins this finals I'm going to quit watching this garbage for good.


i'm tired of the same team winning everything too

If SKT winning PL 2 years in a row counts as "the same team winning everything", you clearly haven't been watching Starcraft long enough.

You do realize that prior to last year, SKT hadn't won any team leagues since 2006, right? And even before that, winning the Triple Crown once hardly counts as "winning everything".
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catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
August 01 2010 21:35 GMT
#1624
On August 02 2010 00:00 Bash wrote:
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On August 01 2010 22:18 catabowl wrote:
Did you guys even watch this match? Kal didn't "suicide" his reavers. Fantasy outplayed his arse the 2nd go round from the reavers.

Did you not see the floating E-Bay that was hiding a Turret, goliath, and marines? Kal rushed in... saw the one turret and was like... ezpz. And Fantasy said, haha watch this and took out the shuttles. Had siege mode in the back to prevent any major dmg and Fantasy also had like 2-3 turrets on his mineral line. So Kal was forced to drop way before the mineral line, just like Fantasy wanted.

Kal did not lose the game after that moment. His failed attack on Fanta 3rd was the reason Fanta won and Kal lost.


All true, except I do think losing all that stuff in the shuttles was what made him lose in the end, as that was what drove him into that desperate attack.

Losing the shuttles and their contents instantly took away any sort of map control Kal had and fantasy already having 3 fully functioning bases capitalized on that by starting his fourth and continued aggression via his usual vulture shenanigans. Having his economy harrassed and especially having his attempts at expanding shut down over and over, Kal saw no choice but to try to abuse fantasy's less than ideal tank position to try to bring down his lead and to gain an opportunity to double expand, and probably to harass/kill an expansion himself. He was actually pretty close for a while too, there were a few very promising zealotbombs/minedrags, but in the end his execution fell a little short with many of his zealots being late to the party or chasing vultures around.

The fact that Kal didn't think he could wait for that arbiter that popped soon after his army was defeated shows how desperate he was to make a swing in the game happen, and also how promising an opening he thought fantasy's slightly awkward army positioning was.


But it's because of Fantasy's play on the E-bay. Fantasy outsmarted Kal on that moment and it turned the tide. I don't think Kal was way ahead even after the harass like everyone is suggesting.. Fantasy had a sizeable ground army and his vultures took out as many probes as that reaver did. Also, remember Fantasy went early expo and had 2 base vs 1 base for a good 1-2 minutes before Kal got his 2nd up. Fantasy went econ build and defense and Kal went into Aggressive harass. Fantasy Defense > Kal Offense and Fantasy did everything perfectly on his counter attack. Just like soccer. If you're style is Coutner attack, you force your opponent into a mistake and capitalize. That's what Fanta did to win.
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
August 01 2010 23:41 GMT
#1625
On August 02 2010 04:04 Cheeseburgered wrote:
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On August 02 2010 03:09 thopol wrote:
I'm fucking crushed. There's always next year I suppose, but if T1 wins this finals I'm going to quit watching this garbage for good.


i'm tired of the same team winning everything too

What the hell are you guys talking about?

T1 doesn't win everything.

Hanbit dominated Proleague in 2004. (Casy, Zeus, Clon, Daezang)
T1 dominated Proleague in 2005. (Boxer, Midas, iloveOOV, Kingdom)
MBCGame dominated Proleague in 2006. (Pusan, July, Sea, Light)
LecafOZ dominated Proleague in 2007 (AnyTime, Jaedong, ForGG)

I'd say that's a pretty good balance of things. SKT did win last year, with their FantasyBisuBest combo, and they're still riding the momentum. But when SKT won Proleague back in 2005, their core players were totally different from their key players today. It's a very different team.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8182 Posts
August 01 2010 23:43 GMT
#1626
prototype im so disappointed in you for still not recommending set 3. especially when you say fail on both sides when modesty didnt really do anything wrong at all (purposefully let probe scout fast lair and then purposefully made 2 hydra dens for double upgrades).
Free Palestine
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 01 2010 23:45 GMT
#1627
Fantasy played greedy daring the opponent to attack and also went on sudden vulture raids. Fantasy got the better of Kal before the shuttle and reaver harass - during the goon vs vulture and scv fight. He came out of that quite ahead thanks to Kal funneling so many goons across the map. Then Fantasy expanded again - 3 CC strategy - against Kal's shuttle and reaver so Kal had to do plenty of damage and he did in getting 20 kills with the Reaver. Kal came away ever so slightly ahead because the goon assault on the 3rd was a failure. But immediately after that Fantasy got 7 probe kills and force Kal into an aborted probe transfer.

But Kal messed up on that attack. He should never have move the shuttle over the goliath and turret combo. After he did that there was no way the reavers were getting extracted out of that situation. And it wouldn't have mattered how much damage Kal did to Fantasy's economy before those reavers got killed. It looked worse because the only scarab that Kal got off was a dud.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 02 2010 00:29 GMT
#1628
On August 02 2010 08:41 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 04:04 Cheeseburgered wrote:
On August 02 2010 03:09 thopol wrote:
I'm fucking crushed. There's always next year I suppose, but if T1 wins this finals I'm going to quit watching this garbage for good.


i'm tired of the same team winning everything too

What the hell are you guys talking about?

T1 doesn't win everything.

Hanbit dominated Proleague in 2004. (Casy, Zeus, Clon, Daezang)
T1 dominated Proleague in 2005. (Boxer, Midas, iloveOOV, Kingdom)
MBCGame dominated Proleague in 2006. (Pusan, July, Sea, Light)
LecafOZ dominated Proleague in 2007 (AnyTime, Jaedong, ForGG)

I'd say that's a pretty good balance of things. SKT did win last year, with their FantasyBisuBest combo, and they're still riding the momentum. But when SKT won Proleague back in 2005, their core players were totally different from their key players today. It's a very different team.



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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 02 2010 01:08 GMT
#1629
How does Fantasy have such a consistent winrate vs protoss when his play is fairly 1 dimensional. You'd think protoss would realize all they'd have to do is play slightly more defensive and cautious of vultures cause thats what almost every TvP he plays relies on. Even he said his TvP winrate in practice isn't as good cause his teammates know how to stop his vultures.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
August 02 2010 01:30 GMT
#1630
SKT1 Fighting!!! GOGOGO to the finals!
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
August 02 2010 02:24 GMT
#1631
On August 02 2010 08:43 Ideas wrote:
prototype im so disappointed in you for still not recommending set 3. especially when you say fail on both sides when modesty didnt really do anything wrong at all (purposefully let probe scout fast lair and then purposefully made 2 hydra dens for double upgrades).

I doubt modesty purposely allowed best to scout his fast lair.

The real reason why I don't recommend it is because mutalisks shutdowned best's natural with zero effort. That pretty much sealed the game, but then modesty suicides all his hydralisks into cannon range. But it was still 3 base vs 1 base, so zerg is gonna win sooner or later.
( ・´ー・`)
Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
August 02 2010 02:25 GMT
#1632
On August 01 2010 12:45 Manit0u wrote:
There are only 2 things I dislike in SKT at the moment:
1. Playing zergs too much (if you're going to throw away games, at least do so in style and send Boxer or Oov out).
2. Why the awful orange shirts?!


Oov is retired and BoxeR is too IMBA!!!
BoxeR is AWESOME!!!!//Proud 2nd Member of the BW>SC2 club.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 02 2010 04:14 GMT
#1633
Awesome pic! Go SKT1!
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
August 02 2010 05:04 GMT
#1634
Fantasy outplayed Kal, simple as that. He played a great game. I love how surprising Canatas been, I"m glad he's not depressed anymore. Too bad Fantasy didnt reveal what map for Flash to play him on. Although KT would prolly be cheap and just try to snipe him and save Flash.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
August 02 2010 12:22 GMT
#1635
[image loading]

KT coach and SKT coach

look at that

so beautiful
dats racist
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
August 02 2010 13:39 GMT
#1636
I can't believe the STX coach used cuteangel. Bogus would have done far better IMO.
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
August 03 2010 09:17 GMT
#1637
Was a bit late in watching it, but it was definitely worth the wait!
Beautiful banner btw! And not just because Bisu is in it.
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 03 2010 11:40 GMT
#1638
Gratz SKT1. ^^
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