The Ongamenet group selection is complicated, even for the players participating in it. I will try to clarify.
To begin, the top four players from the last tournament are seeded into four separate groups. After that, a box is prepared with twelve colored and numbered balls that correspond to the remaining spots in each group. In turn, the twelve non-seeded players blindly draw two balls from the box and can choose which of the two spots they would like to go to (if a player draws two balls for the same group, then he is forced to go to that group). The order of this draw is chosen at random.
After the non seeded players are done placing themselves, the four seeded players can exercise the right to swap players. This goes in reverse order, from the number four seed to the first. The right to switch a player goes as follows. All seeds are exempt from being moved.
Each of the seeded players has a single "golden ball" player who they designate before the group selection begins. If a seeded player exercises his golden ball right, then he can bring the golden ball player to his group in a straight up one-for-one trade for another player in his group. With the golden ball, the seeded player gets to decide both players involved in the swap.
For example, let's say Movie is in Group B and picked Savior as his golden ball player. The group selection finishes, and it turns out that Savior is in Group D, and Bisu, Hyuk, and Leta are in Group B. If Movie exercises his golden ball right, he could bring Savior to group B, and send any of the other players in his group to Group D in return.
The seeded players can also choose to not use their golden ball right and bring any other non-seed player into their group. However, in this case, the seeded player has no power over which player is traded in exchange. Instead, that right is given to the seed holder in the group that is being taken from.
For instance, let's say in the previous scenario, Movie doesn't want to bring Savior to his group. Instead, he wants to take Iris from Group C, where Calm is the seed holder. In this case, Calm can't do anything about Iris going to Movie's group. However, Calm can choose between Bisu, Hyuk, and Leta to take to his group in return.
I will be LRing anything amusing the players say o_O
Guys coming out, not much happening really so far. No one has made a really striking intro so far.... Fantasy did a little dance, Leta slapped his ass towards the crowd to the cheers of fangirls
After his fancy MSL intro, Hiya comes out pretty mundanely in OSL. The first timers are pretty plain for the most part, Action and Hydra just walking out and taking their draw.
FLASH!!! Edit: Awww there was no fan girl scream when Effort come out.. when Flash come out, the fan girl SCreams I think he Flash got the highest fan girl scream.. YEAH
On July 21 2010 18:41 Waxangel wrote: Pure coming out with some weird human shaped doll, throws it to the crowd like he's tossing away a drumstick he's done eating
yeah it sounded like the crowd was screaming for the wrong reasons : |
On July 21 2010 18:41 Waxangel wrote: Pure coming out with some weird human shaped doll, throws it to the crowd like he's tossing away a drumstick he's done eating
Most of the comments about the anonymous gamers was about how their public image and their actual lives are different, IE, they enjoy going clubbing, like the company of beautiful women, etc.
Kal mentioning something from a while ago, when he said that Leta physically resembles his ex girlfriend, and how somehow people are interpreting that strangely. Leta sends him a heart with his hands -_-
Pure is emphasizing that he said he wanted to marry a nice girl, more than the pretty part. Announcers talking about the difficulty of meeting a girl who possesses both qualities.
Pure denying Hiya's statements that he is a licentious man, enjoying the nightlife. Hiya retorting that he heard it directly from WeMade team members. Pure still claiming to say he lives a clean life.
Fantasy talking about who he thinks will be the next member of the Kong line, as one of its senior members. "I'd like Zero to join me in the Kong line, because he made a statement that I'd remain there for a while."
Zero: "Man, getting silver in a starleague is really hard and a great achievement. Please be content with that."
Free says he's always tried to have realistic goals in life, and thinks he could have been good at sales, or related lines of works. Free says he has goals as a gamer, too.
Everyone is still perplexed that free would select that as his goals, seeing as he's a progamer.
Hiya: Oh wait, let me advertise for my fan cafe. First, sorry I couldn't do a ceremony today. But if you guys join my fan cafe and post about what ceremonies you'd like me to do, I'll perform them when I win games in OSL. Also, the poster who's ceremony I choose, I'll send them a roast chicken as a prize."
Hiya: I just wanted to have a little fun with my entry, so I thought about one of my childhood goals. But I gave it a twist because of my friend ForGG (he used a Korean meme, hard to explain).
On July 21 2010 19:03 Waxangel wrote: Hiya: I just wanted to have a little fun with my entry, so I thought about one of my childhood goals. But I gave it a twist because of my friend ForGG (he used a Korean meme, hard to explain).
Bisu: "Well, this unnamed player on my team likes to buy tickets. I thought to myself, maybe I could win, so I started buying tickets too. I've gotten up to four numbers right and won 1,000,000 won (like $800), but I couldn't cash it in because I forgot to cash it in time "
Stork: During the world cup, we had a lot of friendly matches with other teams with food on the line, but we lost all our games. I thought it would be nice if we could win for once
On July 21 2010 19:10 Waxangel wrote: Stork: During the world cup, we had a lot of friendly matches with other teams with food on the line, but we lost all our games. I thought it would be nice if we could win for once
Haven't heard a word of praise towards Hiya from JD, ever. Only well wishes, and lame ones at that. Hiya seems to be a real pain in the ass to have to live with
On July 21 2010 19:25 Emon_ wrote: Haven't heard a word of praise towards Hiya from JD, ever. Only well wishes, and lame ones at that. Hiya seems to be a real pain in the ass to have to live with
Or maybe Jaedong just has a stick up his ass. Hiya is hilarious
On July 21 2010 19:25 Emon_ wrote: JD really doesn't like Hiya at all. Haven't heard a word of praise towards Hiya ever. Only well wishes, and lame ones at that. Hiya seems to be a real pain in the ass to have to live with
That's not true, JD said no one can come up with celebrations like Hiya After he ran into the audience and clapped after he won agaisnt... someone
On July 21 2010 19:25 Emon_ wrote: Haven't heard a word of praise towards Hiya from JD, ever. Only well wishes, and lame ones at that. Hiya seems to be a real pain in the ass to have to live with
Or maybe Jaedong just has a stick up his ass. Hiya is hilarious
You see Hiya for a total of like five minutes twice a week.
Someone will probably have screencaps and translations of these out within 2 days, knowing the passion and devotion of the international BW community :D
On July 21 2010 19:36 SuperArc wrote: Btw is this the most powerful Ro16 of all time?
I see only strong players
Hyuk and hydra are weak points kind of like the Shine and By.Hero's of ages past, but yeah this is probably the best OSL ro16 in a long long time.
Hydra plowed through both Baby and Stats though. Neither played very well but if either of them had reached this point instead then nobody would really be complaining. I'm not sure that Hydra can get much farther but half of the players will be out very soon.
On July 21 2010 19:36 SuperArc wrote: Btw is this the most powerful Ro16 of all time?
I see only strong players
Hyuk and hydra are weak points kind of like the Shine and By.Hero's of ages past, but yeah this is probably the best OSL ro16 in a long long time.
Hydra plowed through both Baby and Stats though. Neither played very well but if either of them had reached this point instead then nobody would really be complaining. I'm not sure that Hydra can get much farther but half of the players will be out very soon.
Shine beat Bisu, Stork, Effort, and Fantasy.
Hero beat Bisu, Fantasy, Leta, and Hwasin.
They may have earned their spot, but as a fan, you can't help but being disappointed because they clearly aren't the same caliber of player even if they can run into a lucky streak every once in a while.
On July 21 2010 20:01 Waxangel wrote: Sea: Eh, you all know why I picked that group (implies that Pure is the easiest one of the four, or to get revenge for his PL loss)
Jaedong saying he's glad to get Kal, seeing as he has a ridiculous all time record against him. Also says he'd like Zerg or Toss players in his group, since he's been struggling a little vs terran lately. Quietly reminds everyone "I will win this season."
On July 21 2010 20:01 Waxangel wrote: Pure: Bring it, I beat you already.
Oooooooooooooh who who whoooooo! :O =D
On July 21 2010 20:03 Waxangel wrote: Jaedong saying he's glad to get Kal, seeing as he has a ridiculous all time record against him. Also says he'd like Zerg or Toss players in his group, since he's been struggling a little vs terran lately. Quietly reminds everyone "I will win this season."
Hm... that's honestly not how I imagined Jaedong... I expected a "I have a weak matchup? Then that's all I want to play" mentaility.
Bisu says it's not because he wants to face Flash, and he would rather be in a different group. Flash agrees with him, saying he'd rather move Bisu to another group if possible.
Kal: I wanted to play PvP as well, so I'm glad stork's here. Just like Stork, I want to play against Protoss, and since my golden ball player is a toss player, I think we'll all be happy. (Jaedong can't help but start beaming since there's a good chance at a 3 toss group).
Btw, if I understood the rules correctly, nobody will pick Jaedong to join their group obviously (except maybe EffOrt if he's a baller), so he should stay in group D. Can't get Flash in D since he's a seed, but Flash may send Bisu maybe in group D ? :p in exchange of Stork or something ? :> That would be fun
Free: I've been bad at PvZ lately, so I preferred an easier path against P and T. I think Kal has my name on his golden ball, so I would rather prefer if he didn't bring me to his group
However, Stork is the only the toss next to Bisu to have beaten Jaedong in the past 12 months. Stork is 4:0 and Bisu is 1:0. This promises some interesting games.
Leta: Bisu and Flash looked so strong, so I went picked the group that has my preferred TvZ. It would be even better if another zerg joined the group, preferably a rookie.
On July 21 2010 20:15 ggrrg wrote: However, Stork is the only the toss next to Bisu to have beaten Jaedong in the past 12 months. Stork is 4:0 and Bisu is 1:0. This promises some interesting games.
Fantasy: Even if Bisu wasn't in group B, I'd have picked Group A anyway. I think it's a good group for me, and I also just like playing in the earlier games (the games are always played in order of groups, group A gets the 6:30 pm game).
Eleventh pick is Zero. Draws two group B balls, forced into the group. (he does pick the spot that will make him play Flash in his first game, as opposed to a later game)
A: Effort, Action, Leta, Fantasy B: Flash, Bisu, Zero C: Pure, Sea, Free, Hydra D: Kal, Jaedong, Stork, Hyuk
On July 21 2010 20:24 Lann555 wrote: As always Jaedong seems to get a decent draw. He gets to stomp Kal again and gets statistically the weakest player in Hyuk
The second to last gets to choose who to play (flash or bisu) first, the last one is purely for show and talking.
On July 21 2010 20:15 ggrrg wrote: However, Stork is the only the toss next to Bisu to have beaten Jaedong in the past 12 months. Stork is 4:0 and Bisu is 1:0. This promises some interesting games.
wow holy fuck
This ignores JD raping Bisu in wcg 2-0 and sending him into a 6 month slump. JD also 2-1'd Stork in WCG GF.
On July 21 2010 20:15 ggrrg wrote: However, Stork is the only the toss next to Bisu to have beaten Jaedong in the past 12 months. Stork is 4:0 and Bisu is 1:0. This promises some interesting games.
wow holy fuck
This ignores JD raping Bisu in wcg 2-0 and sending him into a 6 month slump. JD also 2-1'd Stork in WCG GF.
theres a difference between kespa games and wcg grand final
"Jaedong joined our group, which makes things a bit cloudy. I picked the Terran player who I'm the least familiar (personally, not gamewise) with as my golden ball."
Pure's golden ball player is Sea, but he's already in his group.
On July 21 2010 20:15 ggrrg wrote: However, Stork is the only the toss next to Bisu to have beaten Jaedong in the past 12 months. Stork is 4:0 and Bisu is 1:0. This promises some interesting games.
wow holy fuck
This ignores JD raping Bisu in wcg 2-0 and sending him into a 6 month slump. JD also 2-1'd Stork in WCG GF.
theres a difference between kespa games and wcg grand final
Right, except the WCG GF with money and pride on the line counts more than the WCG Korea where Stork 2-0'd JD.
On July 21 2010 20:15 ggrrg wrote: However, Stork is the only the toss next to Bisu to have beaten Jaedong in the past 12 months. Stork is 4:0 and Bisu is 1:0. This promises some interesting games.
wow holy fuck
This ignores JD raping Bisu in wcg 2-0 and sending him into a 6 month slump. JD also 2-1'd Stork in WCG GF.
theres a difference between kespa games and wcg grand final
Right, except the WCG GF with money and pride on the line counts more than the WCG Korea where Stork 2-0'd JD.
Pure decides to bring Leta to his group, and now Effort must pick who to take back from Group C. Pure realizes it's kind of a mistake, because Effort won't take back Hydra, which will pretty much make it a straight up Leta - Sea swap.
Wax, How come Pure is 3rd seed and Kal's 4th btw? I thought the OSL 3/4 place match was dropped when 4th place also got a seed to next OSL (used to be that the 4th seeder was winner of the Challenge tournament instead..)
On July 21 2010 20:40 Cresfy wrote: Wax, How come Pure is 3rd seed and Kal's 4th btw? I thought the OSL 3/4 place match was dropped when 4th place also got a seed to next OSL (used to be that the 4th seeder was winner of the Challenge tournament instead..)
thanks
I don't actually know, I'll look it up for the main OSL news post.
Also, Sea mentioned that Pure should just man up and face Jaedong as a joke, even though he said he was feeling the pressure of having to face Jaedong himself.
So now, Flash said he didn't want Bisu in his group right ? Who will be the unlucky team to exchange Bisu with Flash's golden ball ? :p Or will he not change his group since it's not so bad ?
He says he talked to Bisu in the meanwhile, and it's probably been arranged so that the groups are going to change so they don't face each other right away.
On July 21 2010 20:45 Jienny wrote: Group D, most boring thing ever. Sadly only spark in it is Bisus manliness.
It's pretty much a coinflip wheter he makes it out though as Stork/Kal are not that bad pvp either. We are going to lose some interesting tosses regardless and there aren't any epic matchups in RO16 this way
On July 21 2010 20:47 Nouar wrote: Seriously Flash.... Group B was fine with 2 top and 2 lesser players, what were you thinking :s Now it looks like shit...
He was thinking "less good P's to face later and only Z/T for my group"
Definitely good for Flash - not good for spectators, haha.
I'd LMAO if Effort has Bisu on his golden ball but I wouldn't count on it :p Probably a toss though, so group D might change again. To exchange against Fantasy or Leta maybe
Effort says his golden ball player is someone he had in mind for a while. He says the group he's been assigned with so far isn't really what he had imagined coming into it.
On July 21 2010 20:55 Waxangel wrote: Fantasy: Even though we did win, CJ is still an awesome team. Effort is a great player, certainly he wouldn't force teammates to play each other?
On July 21 2010 20:55 Waxangel wrote: Fantasy: Even though we did win, CJ is still an awesome team. Effort is a great player, certainly he wouldn't force teammates to play each other?
Bisu: You know I'd like to play Fantasy (crowd: YOU LIE) but I've already played him a lot aleady so I'd rather avoid him. CJ's a great team and effort is a great player, so let's all make it to the next round together.
From Fantasy's perspective, wouldn't he want to get the hell away from any zergs in the group stage to avoid the chance he may have to play TvZ on Dreamliner?
On July 21 2010 20:59 Gnabgib wrote: From Fantasy's perspective, wouldn't he want to get the hell away from any zergs in the group stage to avoid the chance he may have to play TvZ on Dreamliner?
Fantasy is still under the illusion that he has a good TvZ =)
On July 21 2010 20:59 Gnabgib wrote: From Fantasy's perspective, wouldn't he want to get the hell away from any zergs in the group stage to avoid the chance he may have to play TvZ on Dreamliner?
id say he wants to get the hell away from zergs to avoid the chance of playing TvZ at all.
Effort: It would be a bit petty to pit two guys together because of team level competition, and it would be just cruel to make them face each other in BOTH individual leagues. I just made them squirm for fun.
so now bisu is in a group with action and leta, and fantasy got to play against only 1 race, in his best matchup. really good groups for them now. and we get to see effort vs bisu, which we were robbed off yesterday. nice.
On July 21 2010 21:00 zul wrote: fantasy needs to get his TvP polished^^
His series vs Brave was a clinic in destroying Protoss
rofl, brave is nowhere even slightly slightly close to the level of Kal Stork and Free. As a matter of fact, if Kal stops slumping, that is the worst possible group to ever be a terran in.
On July 21 2010 21:01 Waxangel wrote: Effort: It would be a bit petty to pit two guys together because of team level competition, and it would be just cruel to make them face each other in BOTH individual leagues. I just made them squirm for fun.
On July 21 2010 21:04 dnosrc wrote: so effort talked 10 mins to finally do the thing that they always do(avoid teamkilling that is)
sigh
Yeah Effort decided not to pick the petty and horrible thing to do -- it's the same reason he didn't take hydra in his group when he had the chance. It's stupid and sucks for the players and it tends to make for mediocre game.
On July 21 2010 21:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: rofl, brave is nowhere even slightly slightly close to the level of Kal Stork and Free. As a matter of fact, if Kal stops slumping, that is the worst possible group to ever be a terran in.
FanTaSy's best MU has always been TvP, and he is 8-2 in his last 10 games vP. I like his chances in an all vP group as he only has to practice against 1 race on the maps. BeSt being recently inform will help greatly as BeSt's macro is second to none and excellent practice for this upcoming group.
Prediction: (Take with a GRAIN OF SALT) Group A: Bisu, Effort advance Group B: Flash, HiyA advance Group C: Jaedong, Sea advance Group D: Stork, Fantasy advance
On July 21 2010 21:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: rofl, brave is nowhere even slightly slightly close to the level of Kal Stork and Free. As a matter of fact, if Kal stops slumping, that is the worst possible group to ever be a terran in.
FanTaSy's best MU has always been TvP, and he is 8-2 in his last 10 games vP. I like his chances in an all vP group as he only has to practice against 1 race on the maps. BeSt being recently inform will help greatly as BeSt's macro is second to none and excellent practice for this upcoming group.
Agree. I think Stork is the favorite vs Fantasy, but he should be able to take Kal/Free if he brings his A-game.
On July 21 2010 21:04 dnosrc wrote: so effort talked 10 mins to finally do the thing that they always do(avoid teamkilling that is)
sigh
If I remember correctly Effort did some feints in the last similar ceremony too, so he seems to enjoy playing a little bit with other's destiny. He played it well though, as was agreed. Essentially, he gained some free meal/treat. :D
However i look at it,Effort will run over his group 3-0 easily.And in a bo3 i hardly can see him lose against any progamer right now,moreso in bo5.I predict him being very close to defending his title,if he doesn`t start to slump somehow.
On July 21 2010 21:00 zul wrote: fantasy needs to get his TvP polished^^
His series vs Brave was a clinic in destroying Protoss
rofl, brave is nowhere even slightly slightly close to the level of Kal Stork and Free. As a matter of fact, if Kal stops slumping, that is the worst possible group to ever be a terran in.
Fantasys all time record vs P is his best. Kal and Stork are good tho, but they must be concentrating more on PvP-practise.
my predictions on who'll advance Group A: Bisu and Effort Group B: Hyuk and Hiya (TWO "H"s advancing!!!!) Group C: Jaedong and Sea (I don't care as long as Jaedong advances) Group D: Fantasy and Stork
On July 21 2010 21:10 zmeqt wrote: However i look at it,Effort will run over his group 3-0 easily.And in a bo3 i hardly can see him lose against any progamer right now,moreso in bo5.I predict him being very close to defending his title,if he doesn`t start to slump somehow.
SKT T1 and no love for Hyuk? </3 Or is that you just predicting who WILL advance and not who you want?
no love for zerg in general :p but of course I can change my predictions for group B making Hyuk B2. "Predictions" might not be the correct word anymore, though ^^
On July 21 2010 21:15 GhoSt[shield] wrote: A Revolutionist and a Terrorist can do anything monumental tasks when they are motivated. Jung Myung Hoon Kim Taek Yong Fighting!
fantasy's a terrorist? since when'd he have that title? hiya should have the terrorist title since in that one ceremony he danced around with a gun dressed up as bin laden
On July 21 2010 21:00 zul wrote: fantasy needs to get his TvP polished^^
His series vs Brave was a clinic in destroying Protoss
rofl, brave is nowhere even slightly slightly close to the level of Kal Stork and Free. As a matter of fact, if Kal stops slumping, that is the worst possible group to ever be a terran in.
Fantasys all time record vs P is his best. Kal and Stork are good tho, but they must be concentrating more on PvP-practise.
Firstly, I did not say Fantasy's TvP was bad -- far from it, he is either the second or third best (depending on Hiya's condition compared to his own) at any given time. I was pointing out how comparing his games against Brave, a really poor player in general, to how he will perform against literally the 3 best PvTers around is silly -- Fantasy may be good at TvP but this IS the best PvT Group possible.
secondly, the matches come one at a time on different maps with days inbetween, there's no advantage to having a group of a certain type other than for reasons of map/race balance and player specialty.
On July 21 2010 21:15 GhoSt[shield] wrote: A Revolutionist and a Terrorist can do anything monumental tasks when they are motivated. Jung Myung Hoon Kim Taek Yong Fighting!
fantasy's a terrorist? since when'd he have that title? hiya should have the terrorist title since in that one ceremony he danced around with a gun dressed up as bin laden
His nickname for the past couple years has been "League Terrorist" and "Jung Laden" ( a play on his own name and Osama Bin Laden, implying the terrorist connection
On July 21 2010 21:10 zmeqt wrote: However i look at it,Effort will run over his group 3-0 easily.And in a bo3 i hardly can see him lose against any progamer right now,moreso in bo5.I predict him being very close to defending his title,if he doesn`t start to slump somehow.
what world are you living in
Try explaining yourself with some lines full of arguements instead of posting an unreasonable comment.which only shows the extend of your fanboysm...Anyway words are useless,Effort`s action will speak for themselves.
fantasy's TvP style is absolutely terrifying and a pain in the ass to practice against. The tosses in his group have to practice pvp, and can't afford to spend too much time on pvt. plus, kal's also got proleague commitments.
Glad to see taek bang leessang all scattered in different groups. This OSL would be the best in history of competitive starcraft if taek bang leessang met each other in the semifinals, provided they go back to their usual form and provide some S-class plays
On July 21 2010 21:55 GhoSt[shield] wrote: I should start on over/under on the # of probes FanTaSy will destroy in his group. Suggestions on the amount?
On July 21 2010 21:57 SkytoM wrote: The best TvP in the world is Fantasy's and by a large margin too. Fuck snow and really. This group is a piece of cake for him 3-0 ezpz.
stork 2-1 , because his PvP is top notch, free is a loser and Kal chokes again.
On July 21 2010 21:10 zmeqt wrote: However i look at it,Effort will run over his group 3-0 easily.And in a bo3 i hardly can see him lose against any progamer right now,moreso in bo5.I predict him being very close to defending his title,if he doesn`t start to slump somehow.
On July 21 2010 21:57 SkytoM wrote: The best TvP in the world is Fantasy's and by a large margin too. Fuck snow and really. This group is a piece of cake for him 3-0 ezpz.
stork 2-1 , because his PvP is top notch, free is a loser and Kal chokes again.
Stork is 8-3 against him and won the last 4 games.
EffOrt and Bisu! Flash and... HiyA. Or ZerO? Hyuk always makes it hard to call! Jaedong! Jaedong! Jaedong! ...Sea's going to choke Probably Pure. Fantasy and Stork.
On July 21 2010 21:57 SkytoM wrote: The best TvP in the world is Fantasy's and by a large margin too. Fuck snow and really. This group is a piece of cake for him 3-0 ezpz.
stork 2-1 , because his PvP is top notch, free is a loser and Kal chokes again.
The statement that Fantasy has the best TvP in the world is questionable on its own but to add a large margin to that?
Now is the time for Bisu to show that he is back. I think he has a tuff group but a good chance make it.
Hard for Stork though. Normally he should not have any problems in this group but he is more or less the worst player atm in that group. He has the skill to do it but I think he will choke.
Flash and Jaedong should not have any problems whatsoever.
Very good groups! None of the group is boring and the distribution of power is pretty good.
Jaedong got the easiest group of the four as usual. Sea isn't looking very hot right now. Flash's group is pretty much auto-seeding for him as well.
The center of attention for me, as a SKT fan, is group A and D. Both groups have two superpowers and two talented players in each. They should promise some excellent gameplay. I will try to stay up and watch those two if I am able.
I believe in Hyuk's all-in mutaling to win his group. ;D Fantasy and 3 dragons? Wow. Hehe... I believe in Bisu and Sea to deliver. Are there VODs of this out yet?
Effort 3-0 Bisu 1-2 winning in tie breakers as he is gonna drop a few games due to playoffs, his standard game>>>Action, Leta with all the added practice from playoffs so he will make it.
Flash 3-0 Hiya 2-1, Zero is gonna get hyuked and owned by Flash. Hyuk is gonna lose to both terrans.
Jaedong 3-0 Pure 2-1, For a guy whose name is hydra, his ZvP and hydra control blows, and Sea is gonna get roflstomped by Pure and Jaedong again.
Stork 2-1, Fantasy 2-1. Honestly, this group is a toss up between free, stork, and fantasy. Kal is not going to win in his current form. Can't see fantasy winning 3-0 against all these tosses with really different/good PvT styles and Playoffs. I really can't see anyone making it 3-0 out of this group.
is it possible to have ro4 to be Bisu, Flash, Jaedong and Stork? I would love for it to be Flash vs Stork then Bisu vs Jaedong. All strong matchups against one another.
Bisu should have an easy enough time with his group. Leta's not good in vP or in Starleagues, and is especially not good vP during Starleagues. Action's ZvP is getting better but hardly intimidating yet. Only Effort poses a significant threat.
I'm mixed about group D. By definition, a Protoss has to advance, I guess. I'm hoping that there's an upset and two advance over Fantasy. Stork because he's always brought his A-game against Flash and Jaedong, or maybe Free because he's got that Royal Road thing going out.
Pure has an okay chance in group C, but I've never been a big Pure fan. I'd rather Hydra make it and represent CJ. A lucky cheese or build order against Jaedong, perhaps, and exploit generic Z>P gayness against Pure. I doubt he'll beat Sea.
On July 22 2010 00:26 Levistus wrote: is it possible to have ro4 to be Bisu, Flash, Jaedong and Stork? I would love for it to be Flash vs Stork then Bisu vs Jaedong. All strong matchups against one another.
Another epic possibility is Stork Bisu and Flash Jaedong as I see this pairing having more rivalry between each other.
Though it would not surprise me to see Hiya and Pure make it instead of Zero and Sea, respectively. And free could make it in instead of Stork if Stork doesn't bring his A game.
On July 22 2010 00:26 Levistus wrote: is it possible to have ro4 to be Bisu, Flash, Jaedong and Stork? I would love for it to be Flash vs Stork then Bisu vs Jaedong. All strong matchups against one another.
OSL Ro8 is completely random*. So if all 4 of those players advance, they have a small chance of avoiding each other. Remember a couple OSL's ago where Flash and Jaedong met in the Ro8? Best two players right there were forced to go at it in only a Bo3, and because JD lost in the Ro8 he did not get rewarded with a seed, while players like Shine were.
I thought that season would have convinced Ongamanet that the Ro8 should be Bo5, but they insist that having the second best player eliminated in the Ro8 in a Bo3 is perfectly fine.
On July 21 2010 22:58 SimonB wrote: <insert CJ player> has a 65% win percentage over 20 games against this race. He's clearly the best in that matchup!
Reminds me of people saying Movie is the best at PvZ.
It's titled the 2010 Korean Air OSL so I was like "Oh it's already up. Sweet" and started watching... then I saw Hwasin.... so stupid. Uploaded on March 29th -_-
This has to bet the best RO16 since a while. Every group is packed with great players and it is tough to pick favorites. Also I like really everyone in these groups, so I will be happy with any outcome. I hope that the big guns advance, so that we get epic KO games with Flash, JD, Effort and Bisu, also my fav players Stork, Hyuk and Fantasy should advance, so if I'd had to pick, I'd pick
On July 22 2010 00:29 yanmaodao wrote: Bisu should have an easy enough time with his group. Leta's not good in vP or in Starleagues, and is especially not good vP during Starleagues.
on what basis are you saying that? according to tlpd, leta's vP in OSL is 60% while he's 52% overall vP
i'm actually relatively happy for leta's group. he can probably adviance, and i think effort (much as i like him) is going to eat his own shit and bisu will advance. group b wil probably be flash and zero, group c will be jaedong hydra hehehe, and group d stork and fantasy!
On July 22 2010 00:29 yanmaodao wrote: Bisu should have an easy enough time with his group. Leta's not good in vP or in Starleagues, and is especially not good vP during Starleagues.
on what basis are you saying that? according to tlpd, leta's vP in OSL is 60% while he's 52% overall vP
his vP has been historically bad, at the very least significantly worse than his other MUs
Get hype bitches, I think those are the highest winrates in those matchups with players over 50 games (but only because Jaedong used to blow chunks at ZvP, losing to Rock lmao)
Dang, wasn't sure if anybody was gonna stream and I thought the VOD would be up so I just slept. I guess this is what I want more than what I think will happen...
damn it'd be cool to see Bisu wreck a bunch of zergs on the path to an OSL victory, that could lead to another PvZ revolution, or at least give protosses everywhere some hope in PvZ and VODs to learn from.
Although I think he has a fun playing style, I'm going to enjoy seeing Bisu eliminated from this OSL. I don't think he could beat Flash, Jaedong or Effort in a BoX series.
The first place players in each group are randomly matched against the second place players (except you can't face someone who was in your original group).
Best way for Flash/JD/Bisu/Stork semis is if they each win their group (in which case they're all guaranteed not to face each other in ro8).
On July 22 2010 00:26 Levistus wrote: is it possible to have ro4 to be Bisu, Flash, Jaedong and Stork? I would love for it to be Flash vs Stork then Bisu vs Jaedong. All strong matchups against one another.
OSL Ro8 is completely random*. So if all 4 of those players advance, they have a small chance of avoiding each other. Remember a couple OSL's ago where Flash and Jaedong met in the Ro8? Best two players right there were forced to go at it in only a Bo3, and because JD lost in the Ro8 he did not get rewarded with a seed, while players like Shine were.
I thought that season would have convinced Ongamanet that the Ro8 should be Bo5, but they insist that having the second best player eliminated in the Ro8 in a Bo3 is perfectly fine.
*I could be wrong, but irrc.
part of the problem is the OSL doesn't reseed by ranking at the ro8, unlike the MSL where they will reseed after ro16 games are over. Just one thing I wish the OSL would steal from the MSL.
If Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and Stork all get first place in their groups, then they will not meet each other in the Round of 8 since first place has to meet second place. So it's not completely random.
The reason Flash had to face Jaedong in EVER 09 was because Stork beat Flash leading to Flash getting second place in his group.
Fuck, free would get the PvP group T_T. And in their current state he deserves to make it out way more than Kal and Stork, but he's probably not going to. Arhgrkglsjlksdjfkldjfsfsdklfjslkdfjkslfd
TaekBangLeeSsang semifinals would be epic. Wow, group D for Death. Group C is a straight path to the Ro8 for Jaedong. It appears that Kal fears Jaedong in this OSL. Can't blame him, Jaedong owned him a lot.
pretty classy of Effort to avoid the teamkill. Hope the SKT players will remember it and return the favor once they're on top.
Individually, Fantasy and Flash probably have gotten the best groups for themselves - Fantasy with pure TvP while his opponents don't have that luxury, and Flash's group having the weakest players.
The golden ball system really basically allows a seeded player to pre-pick a crap player or a player they think they'll do well against beforehand, really hurting those player's chances - but them's the breaks.
Wonder if Effort will regret if it Bisu contributes to knocking him out of the OSL? But probably not - Bisu has to focus on the playoffs while Effort doesn't.
Also, Flash playing extremely safe by taking Hyuk as his Golden ball so he could guarantee what he thinks would be a free win for himself. THEN kicking out the most difficult player in his group. Very very strategic.
On July 21 2010 21:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote: free and Kals PvT is not as good as Bisus..
Storks PvT is pretty amazing but frees PvT never amazed me that much
Haha Free has the best current PvT man.
Sorry, but thats Snow...
Sorry Superarc, if Snow had the best PvT he wouldn't have been kicked out of the tournament by a terran while playing like trash. It'd be like me saying Stats has the best PvZ because he beat Effort and Zero recently, but got kicked out of the tournament by Hydra -- it's unfair to other players who've proven themselves to be consistent throughout the tournament thusfar.
You can say Snow has good PvT, but when he can't rely on his one clinch matchup to advance, then he's not the best.
On July 22 2010 10:15 Doraemon wrote: i loved the bit when kal moved JD out of his group and stork just started smiling. hahaha. JD must be happy about where he ended up anyway
I like when Stork drew both D groups, and was like "Originally, I wanted C or D, but after Jaedong joined I wanted C" XD
OSL ceremony was great all around, but especially, Pure and Kal trying to get rid of JD
On July 22 2010 10:15 Doraemon wrote: i loved the bit when kal moved JD out of his group and stork just started smiling. hahaha. JD must be happy about where he ended up anyway
ouch man, jaedong has to practice all 3 matchups...
On July 21 2010 21:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote: free and Kals PvT is not as good as Bisus..
Storks PvT is pretty amazing but frees PvT never amazed me that much
Haha Free has the best current PvT man.
Sorry, but thats Snow...
Sorry Superarc, if Snow had the best PvT he wouldn't have been kicked out of the tournament by a terran while playing like trash. It'd be like me saying Stats has the best PvZ because he beat Effort and Zero recently, but got kicked out of the tournament by Hydra -- it's unfair to other players who've proven themselves to be consistent throughout the tournament thusfar.
You can say Snow has good PvT, but when he can't rely on his one clinch matchup to advance, then he's not the best.
Guess what, free got kicked out of the MSL by forgg TvP. If you call that guy best PvT then no protoss has good PvT, you sometimes really use stupid logic
On July 22 2010 10:49 Anomarad wrote: I hope someone on TL will translate the event like the MSL, love watching these with the trash talk translations beside it. :D
That's... what the whole thread was for lol and waxangel's on the spot translations throughout the thread = hellarious
On July 22 2010 10:49 Anomarad wrote: I hope someone on TL will translate the event like the MSL, love watching these with the trash talk translations beside it. :D
That's... what the whole thread was for lol and waxangel's on the spot translations throughout the thread = hellarious
I was hoping for a compiled thread, I don't know whats what with reading this thread.
On July 22 2010 10:49 Anomarad wrote: I hope someone on TL will translate the event like the MSL, love watching these with the trash talk translations beside it. :D
That's... what the whole thread was for lol and waxangel's on the spot translations throughout the thread = hellarious
I was hoping for a compiled thread, I don't know whats what with reading this thread.
When I started watching SC in early 09 the clear answer was Bisu. In late 09 the clear answer was Stork. In early 2010 the clear answer was Kal (as much as Stork/Bisu fans would hate to admit it).
Now it's a toss-up between those 3, Free, and Snow, with none of them being able to churn out consistent wins against good Terrans.
I still say BeSt has the best TvP. So he got zerged in the Ro36 and MST... it happens to every good Protoss sometimes. If he played a T he would have destroyed them. It's a shame his vZ is so mediocre because he could make a serious Starleague push again if he pulled it together.
On July 22 2010 11:33 Crisium wrote: I still say BeSt has the best TvP. So he got zerged in the Ro36 and MST... it happens to every good Protoss sometimes. If he played a T he would have destroyed them. It's a shame his vZ is so mediocre because he could make a serious Starleague push again if he pulled it together.
Id say his PvT is the most consistent especially once he can get his macro groove on. He'd be an OSL champ by now had he not run into July in EVER 08 OSL.
On July 21 2010 21:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote: free and Kals PvT is not as good as Bisus..
Storks PvT is pretty amazing but frees PvT never amazed me that much
Haha Free has the best current PvT man.
Sorry, but thats Snow...
Sorry Superarc, if Snow had the best PvT he wouldn't have been kicked out of the tournament by a terran while playing like trash. It'd be like me saying Stats has the best PvZ because he beat Effort and Zero recently, but got kicked out of the tournament by Hydra -- it's unfair to other players who've proven themselves to be consistent throughout the tournament thusfar.
You can say Snow has good PvT, but when he can't rely on his one clinch matchup to advance, then he's not the best.
Guess what, free got kicked out of the MSL by forgg TvP. If you call that guy best PvT then no protoss has good PvT, you sometimes really use stupid logic
Everyone loses from time to time
Yeah but ForGG played well?
I mean I'm not sure if you saw those games of Snow vs Really but they were pretty embarrassing. I'll admit the third one was pretty good but Free dropped one good game, he didn't lose a terrible one, barely win a terrible one, and then lose a pretty good one.
also man, you saying someone else uses stupid logic. Come on now SuperArc.
I'm just saying, Snow is out of both leagues due to his PvT, Free isn't. Snow definitely did beat some really good terrans in some impressive snipes recently, but he's probably around the same level Hiya's TvP is at: Really good, a solid sniper of the match up, but probably not better than the one or two players who have really been consistently at the top of the matchup for awhile.
There's a couple old OSLs that had arguably the best four, like Sky 1 OSL with Boxer/Yellow/Garimto/TheMarine and Ever 1 with Oov/Boxer/Yellow/Reach (This is probably the closest thing to a perfect semis in history, for any given era)
On July 22 2010 14:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: There's a couple old OSLs that had arguably the best four, like Sky 1 OSL with Boxer/Yellow/Garimto/TheMarine and Ever 1 with Oov/Boxer/Yellow/Reach (This is probably the closest thing to a perfect semis in history, for any given era)
I dont think a best four without Nada was really a best four
On July 22 2010 14:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: There's a couple old OSLs that had arguably the best four, like Sky 1 OSL with Boxer/Yellow/Garimto/TheMarine and Ever 1 with Oov/Boxer/Yellow/Reach (This is probably the closest thing to a perfect semis in history, for any given era)
I dont think a best four without Nada was really a best four
Yeah, fair enough, Nada got knocked out by Oov early and July got knocked out by Yellow, despite those two probably being the "better" general players at the time compared to Yellow and Boxer. I guess the Boxer/Yellow/Garimto/TheMarine semis is the closest we got since that was a bit before Nada's heyday.
Then again Reach was still kickin' around back then, too, but he hadn't gotten to a final yet like boxer/garimto/yellow. I'd say a tossup between Reach and TheMarine for that semis?
I don't see any logs about the old MSLs so maybe one of those had a better semis.
On July 22 2010 14:53 Sight wrote: I'm posting here cause I don't wanna make a thread about it but is the MSL Ro16 Day 1 really tonight? And if it is why is there no thread o_o
It's in three hours, chill . Worst case scenario someone makes an MS paint banner and contentless OP but there will be one
I so want to se Bisu and Stork move on. Bisu has a good chance and should do it. But for Stork it will be alot harder.
As people said already, this group is just xmas for Fantasy, 3 tosses, that all needs to put more effort into pvp then pvt.
Stor could beat Fantasy but pvp vs free and kal can go either way. Especially since Stork still have a very bad habbit of choking. If he is up to shape he should make it though.
Wow, I didn't even realize how the groups were set up to give the greatest possible semifinals until I read this thread. But just watch Hyuk and/or Hydra squeeze into the top 4 somehow just to piss everyone off.
On July 22 2010 16:33 Bibbit wrote: Wow, I didn't even realize how the groups were set up to give the greatest possible semifinals until I read this thread. But just watch Hyuk and/or Hydra squeeze into the top 4 somehow just to piss everyone off.
On July 22 2010 14:16 Apex wrote: Has there ever been a semifinals that has been absolutely perfect (consensus-wise)?
I think there has at least been one spoiler player, but I'm not 100% sure.
Thinking something crazy happens and the semifinals will only have 2/4 of the TaekBangLeeSsang.
It was actually the norm to have four of the top six players be in the semi for a while, it's just a recent trend that we always end up with a spoiler player in one of the spots
On July 22 2010 14:16 Apex wrote: Has there ever been a semifinals that has been absolutely perfect (consensus-wise)?
I think there has at least been one spoiler player, but I'm not 100% sure.
Thinking something crazy happens and the semifinals will only have 2/4 of the TaekBangLeeSsang.
It was actually the norm to have four of the top six players be in the semi for a while, it's just a recent trend that we always end up with a spoiler player in one of the spots
I checked and there haven't been 4 players from the Kespa top 10 in a semifinals since Bacchus 08. Not that the Kespa ranking is that great, but still.
I dont know about an all toss group being xmas for fantasy...cause its still PvT...and its stork, kal, and free all of which are capable of beating fantasy. But I guess he only has to practice 1 MU, so thats a plus. Thats a sucky group for everybody, except Stork.
On July 23 2010 12:51 mog87 wrote: I dont know about an all toss group being xmas for fantasy...cause its still PvT...and its stork, kal, and free all of which are capable of beating fantasy. But I guess he only has to practice 1 MU, so thats a plus. Thats a sucky group for everybody, except Stork.
Why except Stork? Have you seen his recent PvP? He's probably the most likely of the 3 P's to beat fantasy but it's still not an easy group for him.
On July 23 2010 16:35 Crisium wrote: Kal advancing would be profound sadness for Group D.
Don't know how you figure that, aside from his ro5 slump (which he may have worked out of since, which we won't know for a bit). While group D's likely advancements will be Stork and Fantasy, its entirely possibly Kal will take up one of those 2 spots, preferably with Stork, since Fantasy doesn't deserve it.
On July 23 2010 16:35 Crisium wrote: Kal advancing would be profound sadness for Group D.
Don't know how you figure that, aside from his ro5 slump (which he may have worked out of since, which we won't know for a bit). While group D's likely advancements will be Stork and Fantasy, its entirely possibly Kal will take up one of those 2 spots, preferably with Stork, since Fantasy doesn't deserve it.
ahahahaha.
fantasy has been playing 1000 times better than kal
On July 23 2010 16:54 jalstar wrote: oov's sock puppet has been playing 1000 times better than kal
FTFY. Fantasy is decent at doing what he's told, I'll grant you that much. But at least smugtoss fails on his own, he doesn't need to oov and boxer to do it. Kal chokes with the best of them, but he does it with style.
On July 23 2010 17:09 jalstar wrote: who cares? boxer is awesome, oov is awesome, fantasy is awesome.
I'm with you on the first two.. and if one of them suited up again and stepped to the plate I wouldn't mind him taking Stork's spot and advancing alongside Kal but I still can't like fantasy cause he's not his own player. Anyway, I think I'm done for now.
I dont think Free is the huge underdog here, despite having losing records against rest of the players.
Not to mention, it is indeed the "group of death" as the winner of the group will most likely face Effort in Ro8 while the runner up will face Jaedong.
No they won't. It's pseudo-randomly assigned who you play in the Ro8. The only person you're guaranteed not to play is whoever qualifies from the same group as you.
On July 27 2010 14:17 TwoToneTerran wrote: No they won't. It's pseudo-randomly assigned who you play in the Ro8. The only person you're guaranteed not to play is whoever qualifies from the same group as you.
Is it? I thought it was A1 vs. B2, B1 vs. C2, C1 vs. D2, and D1 vs. A2.