• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:33
CEST 07:33
KST 14:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)73Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Back to SC2 after 14 years - Protoss CTRL groups?
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Sagi.gg Launcher Released Fantasy returning? BSL Season 23 Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8745 users

[SPL] PO, Day 3 - SK Telecom T1 vs CJ Entus - Page 105

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 113 Next
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:54 GMT
#2081
On July 20 2010 21:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:52 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


You suddenly started talking about Stats.

If anyone is weird its you


Are you trolling me? You brought him up.


wtf when?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 20 2010 12:55 GMT
#2082
On July 20 2010 21:49 LetMeShine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?


You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.


NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Guess what, Stork loves silver medals nearly as much as Yellow.

I mean Christ the dude lost a finals series in his best matchup to a complete rookie (Flash) in less than an hour.

Wah, what's that picking to Stork. I don't even know why you say that. Flash revolutionized the match up in this final. Yeah he is kind of choker, but he did win an OSL, and not in a underwhelming fashion if I might add.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 12:57:06
July 20 2010 12:56 GMT
#2083
On July 20 2010 21:54 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:52 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
[quote]

Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


You suddenly started talking about Stats.

If anyone is weird its you


Are you trolling me? You brought him up.


wtf when?


On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:
[quote]
Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?


Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost


haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.

Unless I have a terrible memory.


Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?


You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.


NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Super arc of now, meet the superarc of 10 minutes ago.

Notice how there is no mention of Stats, the only thing I said about stats early was a joke about him having the best PvZ in the world which even had a smilie face to show that it wasn't serious.

lookit dat smilie face.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:56 GMT
#2084
On July 20 2010 21:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:54 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:52 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


You suddenly started talking about Stats.

If anyone is weird its you


Are you trolling me? You brought him up.


wtf when?


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost


haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.

Unless I have a terrible memory.


Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?


You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.


NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Super arc of now, meet the superarc of 10 minutes ago.


It matters less than Flash stats of his vZ bo5s.....
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 20 2010 12:56 GMT
#2085
On July 20 2010 21:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:54 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:52 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


You suddenly started talking about Stats.

If anyone is weird its you


Are you trolling me? You brought him up.


wtf when?


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost


haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.

Unless I have a terrible memory.


Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?


You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.


NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Super arc of now, meet the superarc of 10 minutes ago.


stats= statistics lol
beep boop
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 12:57 GMT
#2086
Oh wow holy shit Stats change your damn name.
Remember Violet.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
July 20 2010 12:58 GMT
#2087
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 12:58 GMT
#2088
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?


You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.


NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:59 GMT
#2089
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:
[quote]

You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.


NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 13:00:47
July 20 2010 13:00 GMT
#2090
Wrong thread.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
July 20 2010 13:01 GMT
#2091
Congrats to SKT, I really like both teams so I hope Bisu stays in form.
Moktira is da bomb
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 13:01:59
July 20 2010 13:01 GMT
#2092
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...



and we dont see why 10-13 should be a gamebreaking disadvantage, especially given how good effort is at zvp. so the map imbalance is not enough of an argument for not sending him. blame ur loss on the coaches bad ace choice, but not on map imba.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 13:03 GMT
#2093
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

NHBR is zerg haven? lol


Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...


Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season?
Remember Violet.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 13:05:44
July 20 2010 13:05 GMT
#2094
wrong thread dammit
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 13:05 GMT
#2095
On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
[quote]

Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...


Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season?


valks/gols rape on NHBR

A year ago NHBR might have been zerg favoured.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 20 2010 13:05 GMT
#2096
On July 20 2010 22:01 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
[quote]

Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...



and we dont see why 10-13 should be a gamebreaking disadvantage, especially given how good effort is at zvp. so the map imbalance is not enough of an argument for not sending him. blame ur loss on the coaches bad ace choice, but not on map imba.


add to that that it was just one out of I think 19 games played
beep boop
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 13:07 GMT
#2097
On July 20 2010 22:05 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...


Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season?


valks/gols rape on NHBR

A year ago NHBR might have been zerg favoured.


you, you are the person who makes things up without anything to back it up and just assumes that it's right.

HBR was your lucky ace map. Hell it's a terrible terran map in general, but your dude still failed because he fell prey to wanting to cheese a victory.
Remember Violet.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
July 20 2010 13:08 GMT
#2098
On July 20 2010 20:49 Pineapple wrote:
Should've sent Savior.

At least he would've made some money out of losing!
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 20 2010 13:09 GMT
#2099
On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
[quote]

Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.


Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...


Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season?


If you are trying to provide an argument and state a fact you probably should not use blatant exaggeration like this.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 13:10 GMT
#2100
On July 20 2010 22:09 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
THAT SAID THIS:

On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
[quote]

Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.


Yep, it is.

I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.


It matters less than his bo5 stats


Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.

Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is.


guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then


Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation.

Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's.


still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation.


I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map...


Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season?


If you are trying to provide an argument and state a fact you probably should not use blatant exaggeration like this.


Um, it's not an exaggeration, ZvT it is one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. That's the nature of a long access time highground hugging the minerals of your natural. :>
Remember Violet.
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 113 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
08:00
QMC Community Tournament 1
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1275
910 109
Hyun 78
NotJumperer 61
Bale 36
Noble 13
Snow 7
Britney 0
Dota 2
febbydoto454
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King242
Other Games
summit1g7210
Coldzera 724
JimRising 613
WinterStarcraft422
C9.Mang0295
NeuroSwarm132
PiGStarcraft129
ViBE19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick669
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream37
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 51
• Letter1410
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2186
League of Legends
• Rush1079
• Lourlo1058
• Stunt345
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
4h 27m
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
5h 27m
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
18h 27m
Patches Events
1d 10h
The PondCast
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
Percival vs TBD
TBD vs herO
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
OSC
3 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.