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On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?
You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.
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On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?
Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map?
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On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?
............... come on man
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On July 20 2010 21:36 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:31 disciple wrote:On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Yea, a lot of what "if"s. I really regret we missed Effort vs Bisu in the ace. Effort's skill is the biggest bubble since the real estates in US. You can yell at me because effort technically hasnt lost to bisu this match, thats the thing My point is that you cant possibly think that Bisu has a 100% security of beating anyone. We cant say for sure how much of a favourite Bisu/Effort would have been but I think over 95% of all TL would still agree that the winner wouldnt be decided until the game was actually played out. And you dont really make any good argument why theres still apparently so much doubt about effort's skill overall. He's 18-1 in ZvZ right now. Let me repeat that Alvin Greene style: Eighteen to one. After 53 ZvP played he has a win rate of 71.7% How is there such a huge question mark behind his skill?
Ok, I dont want to spoil the fun, be happy with his stats, they are the shit. SKT are in the next round. We are all good
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I love how Superarc's best argument is Effort's non-existent games on a map.
"He WOULD have been amazing guys! "
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On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? How is it clear? Just because they played the map the previous 2 games isn't enough, considering all the mind gaming that happens in the playoffs.
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On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy.
NHBR is zerg haven? lol
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On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map?
In recent times, 1 win against Jaedong and a few wins against scrubs (while losing to Juni) qualifies Bisu for "best PvZ in the world"?
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On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy. NHBR is zerg haven? lol
Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.
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On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy. NHBR is zerg haven? lol
That part is actually true..HBR was made for Zergs..
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On July 20 2010 21:41 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? 1 win against Jaedong and a few wins against scrubs (while losing to Juni) qualifies Bisu for "best PvZ in the world"?
lol who has the best PvZ in the world according to you then?
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On July 20 2010 21:40 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:36 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:31 disciple wrote:On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Yea, a lot of what "if"s. I really regret we missed Effort vs Bisu in the ace. Effort's skill is the biggest bubble since the real estates in US. You can yell at me because effort technically hasnt lost to bisu this match, thats the thing My point is that you cant possibly think that Bisu has a 100% security of beating anyone. We cant say for sure how much of a favourite Bisu/Effort would have been but I think over 95% of all TL would still agree that the winner wouldnt be decided until the game was actually played out. And you dont really make any good argument why theres still apparently so much doubt about effort's skill overall. He's 18-1 in ZvZ right now. Let me repeat that Alvin Greene style: Eighteen to one. After 53 ZvP played he has a win rate of 71.7% How is there such a huge question mark behind his skill? Ok, I dont want to spoil the fun, be happy with his stats, they are the shit. SKT are in the next round. We are all good
That's weird that you mention that because you don't seem happy.
If CJ would have won I would have just been happy, be proud of those boys and have a happy day without shittalking SKT's players.
Way to dodge any logical arguments though.
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On July 20 2010 21:40 Shatter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? How is it clear? Just because they played the map the previous 2 games isn't enough, considering all the mind gaming that happens in the playoffs.
Bisu's map is Fighting Spirit, he almost exclusively plays on that map in PL. It's pretty clear that Effort was avoiding Bisu, there's no way in hell Bisu would've been sent out on Match Point, undoubtedly one of his worst maps ever
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On July 20 2010 21:41 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? 1 win against Jaedong and a few wins against scrubs (while losing to Juni) qualifies Bisu for "best PvZ in the world"?
Actually yeah beating Jaedong qualifies you for best PvZ in the world, this isn't a stretch at all.
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On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy. NHBR is zerg haven? lol Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview.
Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.
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IF SKT T1 wins this year, I'll bump a 6 year old thread!!!!! :D :D :D
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On July 20 2010 21:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:41 Megalisk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? 1 win against Jaedong and a few wins against scrubs (while losing to Juni) qualifies Bisu for "best PvZ in the world"? Actually yeah beating Jaedong qualifies you for best PvZ in the world, this isn't a stretch at all.
That's true, Dong's lost like 2 vP's in the last 9 months.
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On July 20 2010 21:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:41 Megalisk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? 1 win against Jaedong and a few wins against scrubs (while losing to Juni) qualifies Bisu for "best PvZ in the world"? Actually yeah beating Jaedong qualifies you for best PvZ in the world, this isn't a stretch at all.
So Yellow has the best ZvZ in the world? Oh wait he beat Jaedong of course he does!
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On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy. NHBR is zerg haven? lol Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview. Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup.
Yep, it is.
I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore.
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On July 20 2010 21:41 Megalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:39 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? Because Protosses in general have bad PvZ, but Bisu has the best fuckin PvZ in the world and wouldn't have a problem dealing with Effort at all. Why do you think they sent Snow instead of Effort on Fighting Spirit when it was clear that Bisu was gonna be sent out on that map? In recent times, 1 win against Jaedong and a few wins against scrubs (while losing to Juni) qualifies Bisu for "best PvZ in the world"?
Pretty sure no other P besides Bisu and Stork have beaten JD in like over a year. So yes.
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