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On July 20 2010 21:22 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:19 RisingTide wrote:On July 20 2010 21:17 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:16 Subversive wrote:I get 15-8. Or 65%. Still a beastly record though. ok that makes more sense, I was really confused and surprised there about the 19-4 The 19-4 includes some offline pre-lim games. The 15-8 is televised games, but that includes his massive loss-streak. I prefer to see it as 14-2 :D Interesting to know: Jaedong is 20-4 with the prelims games. Those two really have to meet in the MSL and/or OSL 
There will be blood....
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On July 20 2010 21:22 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant Worst post in the thread right here. XD <3
lol
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On July 20 2010 21:23 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant If you don't think SKT having a star protoss player didn't decide the playoff then you are quite ignorant? I mean come on. Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:22 Tuke wrote:On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant Saying playoff was decided only because of one map is quite ignorant too The teams SKT1 and CJ were both even in terms of strength. Both had one S-class player. But SKT1 had the map luck. Why do you think all games were decided by aces?
1??
SKT1 has two.
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On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ
you gotta be kidding me.
Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then?
Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta?
Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort.
I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world?
And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different.
Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that.
SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.
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On July 20 2010 21:23 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant If you don't think SKT having a star protoss player didn't decide the playoff then you are quite ignorant? I mean come on. Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:22 Tuke wrote:On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant Saying playoff was decided only because of one map is quite ignorant too The teams SKT1 and CJ were both even in terms of strength. Both had one S-class player. But SKT1 had the map luck. Why do you think all games were decided by aces?
Cause Fantasy couldn't win a game lol.
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Effort is perfectly competent against Bisu and Fantasy on this particular map, while Snow would have a significant advantage against Fantasy.
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That`s not true.Remember Effort vs Horang2 on Polaris Rapsody.That map is clearly imbalanced in zvp.
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On July 20 2010 21:23 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant If you don't think SKT having a star protoss player didn't decide the playoff then you are quite ignorant? I mean come on. Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:22 Tuke wrote:On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant Saying playoff was decided only because of one map is quite ignorant too The teams SKT1 and CJ were both even in terms of strength. Both had one S-class player. But SKT1 had the map luck. Why do you think all games were decided by aces?
Because SKT1 can't raise a competent zerg to save its life.
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Home from work to find Bisu wins for SKT in ace match! Crap day just became awesome. Fuck yea.
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On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.
Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota.
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On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight
Maybe, but guess who is crying now? Again
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superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T
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Oh man all these tasty tears omnomnom
now you guys know how i feelt last year when CJ knocked out khan(though CJ got owned by OZ like a week after which kinda made up for it all).
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On July 20 2010 21:26 cybertopo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Maybe, but guess who is crying now? Again
Bisu..
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On July 20 2010 21:26 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota.
I dont see how thinking that everyones a jerk makes anything better ^^
other than that youre right i guess
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I think we all agree the games tonight were awesome
Well played CJ - better luck next season (yes yes if there is one ;p)
Congratulations SKT1
Welcome back Bisu <3
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On July 20 2010 21:27 zmeqt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:26 cybertopo wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Maybe, but guess who is crying now? Again Bisu..
hahah :D
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On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.
It might be because of the way the final between flash and effort went down that many people arn't satisfied with labeling hi S+.
I'm neither a fan of Flash or effort and i too found the efforts victory....underwhelming.
Not trying to flame.
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SKT terrans played as they are supposed to, they were overhyped before this. But Bisu and Best stepped up and no one in CJ played better than expected (except maybe hydra winning 2 games but movie lost 2 where I would have expected better). CJ had 3 chances to end the series, 2 in game 2 and 1 tonight and couldn't. None of us know the innerworkings of the team so it's hard to tell if Snow or Effort was better given all the information. This series could have gone either way. Unfortunately luck favored SKT tonight. We'll see you guys next playoffs.
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On July 20 2010 21:27 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:26 Subversive wrote:On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota. I dont see how thinking that everyones a jerk makes anything better ^^ other than that youre right i guess
True but a friend is a recovering WoW addict who has dragged me into net cafes to play dota for the last 4 weeks. It's a fucking jungle out there. So much bm. Literally 75% of games have shit-talkers.
My theory is that it's because the eapm requirements are so low that people have time to type shit to each other
Still, I love your posts 7mk. And your singing <3 Sorry to see CJ having to play the likely victors so soon. They deserved to go further.
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