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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
July 20 2010 12:18 GMT
#1981
On July 20 2010 21:16 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:14 Lucumo wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:09 darkemperor wrote:
Bisu is 19-4 in last 23 games.. 82.6 % sooo good.

?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard

I get 15-8. Or 65%. Still a beastly record though.

Or 14-2 in the last 16 games... 87.5%
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 20 2010 12:18 GMT
#1982
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ
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Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
July 20 2010 12:18 GMT
#1983
Besides all the mu discussions and sniping, it still comes to down to experience in these situations imo.

Snow doesn't even have experience with high pressure situations like this where the entire year is riding on this game. Effort does.

It should have been no contest as to who got the ace spot.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
zmeqt
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria527 Posts
July 20 2010 12:18 GMT
#1984
On July 20 2010 21:16 darkemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight


If your aunt had nuts, she would be your uncle.


Sry but thats really true.The 2 teams were so even,that the map imabalnce decided the victory.The map was simply suited for one of the 2 SKT aces than Effort.Although it`s still good on SKT`s part to have 2 aces,and CJ only have one.That just shows that CJ is the deeper team.
the slogans
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
July 20 2010 12:19 GMT
#1985
hmm i just got up to find out that CJ lost?

FUCK there goes 3 points
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 20 2010 12:19 GMT
#1986
On July 20 2010 21:17 LetMeShine wrote:
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On July 20 2010 21:13 samachking wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:06 Tuke wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:05 Subversive wrote:
Wow so much 'Effort is great' stuff coming from CJ fans. Yes he's great. Did the coach think he could beat Bisu on this map? No.

Hence, SKT1 are the winners. Period.

EffOrt definitely could beat Bisu. Polaris Rhapsody is 10-13 in favor of protoss so it isn't that bad


Oh you missed the game where Horang2 beat Effort in a straight up game on Polaris?

I think Bisu can do better than that.


Yeah seriously. Effort is not Jaedong and isn't a instant victory against protoss. He'll win the vast majority of the time but he's not "lol instant win". He's lost again and again pretty badly against Stats and as pointed out even against Horang2 who is awful against zerg.

Sending Effort to fight Bisu is risky especially with a bad map. You're playing against the best PvZer ever seriously on a fairly "bad" ZvP map.


yeah because there were really really many people here claiming that Effort was "lol instant win" vs Bisu, right?

Effort is not Jaedong but he still is easily the 2nd best ZvPer in the world.
Whatever, I dont even know what the point of argument is. Personally I think effort would have been the better choice against bisu, you disagree, no need to argue.
beep boop
RisingTide
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia769 Posts
July 20 2010 12:19 GMT
#1987
On July 20 2010 21:17 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:16 Subversive wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:14 Lucumo wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:09 darkemperor wrote:
Bisu is 19-4 in last 23 games.. 82.6 % sooo good.

?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard

I get 15-8. Or 65%. Still a beastly record though.


ok that makes more sense, I was really confused and surprised there about the 19-4

The 19-4 includes some offline pre-lim games. The 15-8 is televised games, but that includes his massive loss-streak. I prefer to see it as 14-2 :D
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:19 GMT
#1988
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
July 20 2010 12:20 GMT
#1989
After Bisu's slump ended his last 16 games have gone 14-2
that's a monster 87.50%!!!!!
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 12:20 GMT
#1990
On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant


If you don't think SKT having a star protoss player didn't decide the playoff then you are quite ignorant?

I mean come on.
Remember Violet.
Guss
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Sweden712 Posts
July 20 2010 12:20 GMT
#1991
Was this the death of SC2? definatly!!!
Bisu[Shield] FIGHTING!
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
July 20 2010 12:21 GMT
#1992
To me, Effort is not S-class. S-class is reserved for the 3 Kings. He is A+ class though, which includes fantasy. SKT's combination of A+ class and S-class is unmatched; you honestly wouldn't want to send a one MU wonder in the most important match.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
July 20 2010 12:21 GMT
#1993
On July 20 2010 21:06 Lightwip wrote:
Out of the 10 games SKT won
Bisu wins x4
Best wins x3
Canata wins x1
Fantasy wins x1
s2 wins x1

Canata, Bisu, Best fighting! All awesome.
Honestly, CJ was pretty much screwed for the ace match. Bisu was pretty much the sure choice for SKT, and if they sent Effort, he would lose to map imba. Snow just got outplayed.


Wait, how is Polaris Rhapsody imba toward PvZ or TvZ?

Clearly even a blind man can see that Terran has no hope on this map against a competent Protoss, hence Snow was sent out as a sniper against Fantasy.

Although considering that SKT does have Bisu, surely coach Cho should have also anticipated the strong possibility of SKT fielding Bisu in ace match.

Effort is perfectly competent against Bisu and Fantasy on this particular map, while Snow would have a significant advantage against Fantasy.

Coach Cho took the risk, believed in Snow's PvP and sent Snow out.

Bisu raped.
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
July 20 2010 12:21 GMT
#1994
Bisu one way or another would win this match.. whether it's apple or peach as his opponent doesn't make any difference.. he cuts it with his dagger ^^
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
July 20 2010 12:21 GMT
#1995
Yeah let's leave it at:

We all wish that Effort had of played and not Snow.

Personally i like seeing Bisu win in a pvp to prove his whole return - BUT I would have preferred the epicness that Bisu v Effort would have shown us.

I also think Snow was a mistake. He lost to Jangbi. He was bound to lose to Bisu. I think he played it great to make it so close.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
July 20 2010 12:22 GMT
#1996
On July 20 2010 21:18 zmeqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:16 darkemperor wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight


If your aunt had nuts, she would be your uncle.


Sry but thats really true.The 2 teams were so even,that the map imabalnce decided the victory.The map was simply suited for one of the 2 SKT aces than Effort.Although it`s still good on SKT`s part to have 2 aces,and CJ only have one.That just shows that CJ is the deeper team.


Sup.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
July 20 2010 12:22 GMT
#1997
On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant

Saying playoff was decided only because of one map is quite ignorant too
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
July 20 2010 12:22 GMT
#1998
On July 20 2010 21:19 RisingTide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:17 7mk wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:16 Subversive wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:14 Lucumo wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:09 darkemperor wrote:
Bisu is 19-4 in last 23 games.. 82.6 % sooo good.

?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard

I get 15-8. Or 65%. Still a beastly record though.


ok that makes more sense, I was really confused and surprised there about the 19-4

The 19-4 includes some offline pre-lim games. The 15-8 is televised games, but that includes his massive loss-streak. I prefer to see it as 14-2 :D

Interesting to know: Jaedong is 20-4 with the prelims games. Those two really have to meet in the MSL and/or OSL
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 20 2010 12:22 GMT
#1999
On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant

Worst post in the thread right here. XD

<3
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:23 GMT
#2000
On July 20 2010 21:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant


If you don't think SKT having a star protoss player didn't decide the playoff then you are quite ignorant?

I mean come on.


On July 20 2010 21:22 Tuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant

Saying playoff was decided only because of one map is quite ignorant too


The teams SKT1 and CJ were both even in terms of strength. Both had one S-class player.

But SKT1 had the map luck.

Why do you think all games were decided by aces?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
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