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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 20 2010 12:30 GMT
#2021
On July 20 2010 21:29 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


you gotta be kidding me.
Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then?
Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta?

Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort.
I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world?

And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different.

Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that.

SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.

It might be because of the way the final between flash and effort went down that many people arn't satisfied with labeling hi S+.
I'm neither a fan of Flash or effort and i too found the efforts victory....underwhelming.
Not trying to flame.


yes I know what you mean but like I said, it's his worst matchup.
beep boop
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
July 20 2010 12:30 GMT
#2022
All right guys

Time for some MBC vs FOX Ace pick controversy now, let's switch threads.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
July 20 2010 12:30 GMT
#2023
On July 20 2010 21:26 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


you gotta be kidding me.
Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then?
Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta?

Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort.
I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world?

And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different.

Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that.

SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.

Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota.


don't know how in the world dota gets included in this argument, but it's still hilarious... everyone's sooo immature in dota just go watch KlazartSC's trash talk game it's sssooooo fun
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 20 2010 12:30 GMT
#2024
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight

Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?
Writerptrk
htennek_mil
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore59 Posts
July 20 2010 12:31 GMT
#2025
Bisu. Raping CJ since Savior
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 20 2010 12:31 GMT
#2026
On July 20 2010 21:29 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:27 7mk wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:26 Subversive wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


you gotta be kidding me.
Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then?
Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta?

Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort.
I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world?

And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different.

Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that.

SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.

Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota.


I dont see how thinking that everyones a jerk makes anything better ^^
other than that youre right i guess

True but a friend is a recovering WoW addict who has dragged me into net cafes to play dota for the last 4 weeks. It's a fucking jungle out there. So much bm. Literally 75% of games have shit-talkers.

My theory is that it's because the eapm requirements are so low that people have time to type shit to each other

Still, I love your posts 7mk. And your singing <3 Sorry to see CJ having to play the likely victors so soon. They deserved to go further.


Oh well I guess it's a good thing I quit Dota when it was still called Aeon Of Strife then.
thx man =)
beep boop
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:31 GMT
#2027
On July 20 2010 21:26 7mk wrote:
superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T


when its true?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 20 2010 12:31 GMT
#2028
On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


you gotta be kidding me.
Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then?
Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta?

Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort.
I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world?

And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different.

Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that.

SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.


Yea, a lot of what "if"s. I really regret we missed Effort vs Bisu in the ace. Effort's skill is the biggest bubble since the real estates in US. You can yell at me because effort technically hasnt lost to bisu this match, thats the thing
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7799 Posts
July 20 2010 12:32 GMT
#2029
On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant

Such terrible logic. CJ had day 2 in their hands and threw it. Effort losing the ace match on day 2 is just as pivotal as Snow losing it on Day 3
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:32 GMT
#2030
On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight

Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?


Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 12:32 GMT
#2031
I like how according to this thread there's like half a dozen S class players.
Remember Violet.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 12:34:30
July 20 2010 12:33 GMT
#2032
On July 20 2010 21:31 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:26 7mk wrote:
superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T


when its true?


Eh we lost, no excuses, absolutely none. Sure we could have sent Effort, sure it could of been a different map, but it we didn't and it wasn't.
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
July 20 2010 12:33 GMT
#2033
On July 20 2010 21:26 Kreedit wrote:
Oh man all these tasty tears omnomnom


Can't explain why I find this so Hilarious, but I do! Delicious tears of pain and disappointment and bottomless sadness!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 20 2010 12:34 GMT
#2034
On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight

Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?


Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost


haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.

Unless I have a terrible memory.
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 20 2010 12:35 GMT
#2035
On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight

Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?


Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost


haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.

Unless I have a terrible memory.


Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 20 2010 12:36 GMT
#2036
FFFFFFFFFFFfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! T___________T
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
July 20 2010 12:36 GMT
#2037
On July 20 2010 21:31 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ


you gotta be kidding me.
Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then?
Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta?

Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort.
I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world?

And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different.

Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that.

SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.


Yea, a lot of what "if"s. I really regret we missed Effort vs Bisu in the ace. Effort's skill is the biggest bubble since the real estates in US. You can yell at me because effort technically hasnt lost to bisu this match, thats the thing


My point is that you cant possibly think that Bisu has a 100% security of beating anyone.
We cant say for sure how much of a favourite Bisu/Effort would have been but I think over 95% of all TL would still agree that the winner wouldnt be decided until the game was actually played out.

And you dont really make any good argument why theres still apparently so much doubt about effort's skill overall. He's 18-1 in ZvZ right now.
Let me repeat that Alvin Greene style: Eighteen to one. After 53 ZvP played he has a win rate of 71.7%
How is there such a huge question mark behind his skill?
beep boop
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 12:37:20
July 20 2010 12:37 GMT
#2038
On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:
On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight

Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?


Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost


haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.

Unless I have a terrible memory.


Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?


because every team but KT CJ and SKT have shitty protosses and they took away race limits?
Remember Violet.
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
July 20 2010 12:37 GMT
#2039
On July 20 2010 21:31 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 21:26 7mk wrote:
superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T


when its true?


its 1 game of 3 best of 7s...
~
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 12:38:26
July 20 2010 12:37 GMT
#2040
If we're going to play what might have happened, Bisu beat Dong on Judgement Day so he probably would have beaten Effort too.

But in the end it's over and CJ lost. All that matters now
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