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On July 20 2010 21:29 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. It might be because of the way the final between flash and effort went down that many people arn't satisfied with labeling hi S+. I'm neither a fan of Flash or effort and i too found the efforts victory....underwhelming. Not trying to flame.
yes I know what you mean but like I said, it's his worst matchup.
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All right guys
Time for some MBC vs FOX Ace pick controversy now, let's switch threads.
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On July 20 2010 21:26 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota.
don't know how in the world dota gets included in this argument, but it's still hilarious... everyone's sooo immature in dota just go watch KlazartSC's trash talk game it's sssooooo fun
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On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight
Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?
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Bisu. Raping CJ since Savior
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On July 20 2010 21:29 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:27 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:26 Subversive wrote:On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Cool off man. You're getting pretty emotional. Yes, people are dumb when they talk down to the losing side. But whatever, just pretend you're in a dota game and everyone is a jerk. Actually that wouldn't be a hypothetical - everyone IS a jerk in dota. I dont see how thinking that everyones a jerk makes anything better ^^ other than that youre right i guess True but a friend is a recovering WoW addict who has dragged me into net cafes to play dota for the last 4 weeks. It's a fucking jungle out there. So much bm. Literally 75% of games have shit-talkers. My theory is that it's because the eapm requirements are so low that people have time to type shit to each other  Still, I love your posts 7mk. And your singing <3 Sorry to see CJ having to play the likely victors so soon. They deserved to go further.
Oh well I guess it's a good thing I quit Dota when it was still called Aeon Of Strife then.
thx man =)
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On July 20 2010 21:26 7mk wrote:
superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T
when its true?
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On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here.
Yea, a lot of what "if"s. I really regret we missed Effort vs Bisu in the ace. Effort's skill is the biggest bubble since the real estates in US. You can yell at me because effort technically hasnt lost to bisu this match, thats the thing
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On July 20 2010 21:19 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ if you dont think the map decided this playoff you are quite ignorant
Such terrible logic. CJ had day 2 in their hands and threw it. Effort losing the ace match on day 2 is just as pivotal as Snow losing it on Day 3
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On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map?
Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost
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I like how according to this thread there's like half a dozen S class players.
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On July 20 2010 21:31 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:26 7mk wrote:
superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T when its true?
Eh we lost, no excuses, absolutely none. Sure we could have sent Effort, sure it could of been a different map, but it we didn't and it wasn't.
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On July 20 2010 21:26 Kreedit wrote:
Oh man all these tasty tears omnomnom
Can't explain why I find this so Hilarious, but I do! Delicious tears of pain and disappointment and bottomless sadness!
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On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost
haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.
Unless I have a terrible memory.
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On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory.
Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?
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On July 20 2010 21:31 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:24 7mk wrote:On July 20 2010 21:18 disciple wrote:
yeah basically now all the fanboys who are thinking effort is a top notch player will blame it on the map, the coach and the team in general. If the coach is not sending him, he is not confident in his ability, simple as that. It was a do-or-die situation where the most experienced and skilled player should've stepped in. Effort won the osl, he has the guts to play on big stage, he has the zvp streak as well, yet the coach took the rational decision to send out a protoss, knowing almost for sure SKT will pick Bisu. Now Effort just saved face by not being the guy who lost it for CJ you gotta be kidding me. Was Darkelf the best player on the team back then? Was Movie the best player on the team when he was sent to play vs leta? Being confident in snow does not mean not being confident in effort. I dont even get how anybody can think he is not a "top notch player". Wtf does he have to do to prove that? Win another individual title against the best player in the world? And you really think that Starcraft is so black and white and predictable that Effort would lose to bisu no matter what? Hell, even if Snow and Bisu replayed the outcome could be differently. If we replayed every game tonight the outcome could be different. Seriously I dont get how anyone whos been following starcraft for a while can argue like that. SKT won fair and square, Bisu was the strongest player tonight. But you seem to be seriously delusional here. Yea, a lot of what "if"s. I really regret we missed Effort vs Bisu in the ace. Effort's skill is the biggest bubble since the real estates in US. You can yell at me because effort technically hasnt lost to bisu this match, thats the thing
My point is that you cant possibly think that Bisu has a 100% security of beating anyone.
We cant say for sure how much of a favourite Bisu/Effort would have been but I think over 95% of all TL would still agree that the winner wouldnt be decided until the game was actually played out.
And you dont really make any good argument why theres still apparently so much doubt about effort's skill overall. He's 18-1 in ZvZ right now.
Let me repeat that Alvin Greene style: Eighteen to one. After 53 ZvP played he has a win rate of 71.7%
How is there such a huge question mark behind his skill?
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On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:30 ArvickHero wrote:On July 20 2010 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
If the ace map had been Judgement day SKT1 would be crying tonight Nevermind that Bisu raped Jaedong on that map, the result would've been the same obviously with SKT T1 winning.. then I presume you'll just pick another map? Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day?
because every team but KT CJ and SKT have shitty protosses and they took away race limits?
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On July 20 2010 21:31 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:26 7mk wrote:
superarc please stop talking about map luck T_T when its true?
its 1 game of 3 best of 7s...
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If we're going to play what might have happened, Bisu beat Dong on Judgement Day so he probably would have beaten Effort too.
But in the end it's over and CJ lost. All that matters now
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