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konadora
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On July 20 2010 21:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:54 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:52 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:
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Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup. Yep, it is. I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore. It matters less than his bo5 stats Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god. Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is. guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. You suddenly started talking about Stats. If anyone is weird its you Are you trolling me? You brought him up. wtf when? Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:32 SuperArc wrote:
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Judgement day is Efforts map, so I dont believe he would have lost haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day. Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy. NHBR is zerg haven? lol Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview. Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup. Yep, it is. I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore. It matters less than his bo5 stats Super arc of now, meet the superarc of 10 minutes ago.
just jumping in to say that he meant that as 'statistics'.. anyone can infer that based on the context of the sentence lol
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On July 20 2010 22:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 22:09 setzer wrote:On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:THAT SAID THIS: On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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Yep, it is.
I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore. It matters less than his bo5 stats Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god. Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is. guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation. I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map... Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season? If you are trying to provide an argument and state a fact you probably should not use blatant exaggeration like this. Um, it's not an exaggeration, ZvT it is one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. That's the nature of a long access time highground hugging the minerals of your natural. :>
So by that logic I guess destination is also one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. And God's Garden. And virtually every map before 2009.
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FUCK YES I COME HOME TO SEE BISU CAME THROUGH IN ACE OMGGGGG YESSSS I LOVE YOU BISUUUUU YOU ARE BONJWA IN MY HEART YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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On July 20 2010 22:12 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 22:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 22:09 setzer wrote:On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:THAT SAID THIS: On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:
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It matters less than his bo5 stats Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god. Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is. guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation. I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map... Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season? If you are trying to provide an argument and state a fact you probably should not use blatant exaggeration like this. Um, it's not an exaggeration, ZvT it is one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. That's the nature of a long access time highground hugging the minerals of your natural. :> So by that logic I guess destination is also one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. And God's Garden. And virtually every map before 2009.
Um, do you know what you're talking about? The minerals don't hug the wall on destination. You can put turrets and marines behind them to defend. :> Pretty sure god's garden is the same tho I haven't seen it in awhile.
edit: I mean I can seriously show you an MSpaint doodad of why HBR is particularly good for muta harass if you want. :o
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What's more important is that Bisu went 4-0 against CJ "deep" lineup.
And he rolled the new protoss future star.
Twice.
And it is a mirror so no map or MU imba excuses can be thrown for that.
Bisu is awesome.
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On July 20 2010 22:11 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 21:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:54 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:52 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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Yep, it is.
I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore. It matters less than his bo5 stats Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god. Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is. guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. You suddenly started talking about Stats. If anyone is weird its you Are you trolling me? You brought him up. wtf when? On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:43 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:39 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:35 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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haha now you're just making shit up, Effort's never ZvP'd on judgment day.
Unless I have a terrible memory. Yeah why do you think teams dont send out protoss vs CJ on Judgement day? You know what I'm honestly wondering where this shitty indignation was in the last ace match where it was HBR, a zerg haven, when SKT has shitty zergs and you have an "S-class" player. Oh that's right SKT1 was capable of fielding someone with a smart build against the expected Ace's weak match up. aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the hypocrisy. NHBR is zerg haven? lol Yep, unless Flash lied about it being a difficult map for TvZ after he had won on it in an interview. Flash also says TvZ is his best matchup. Yep, it is. I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore. It matters less than his bo5 stats Super arc of now, meet the superarc of 10 minutes ago. just jumping in to say that he meant that as 'statistics'.. anyone can infer that based on the context of the sentence lol
Yeah someone else caught that already, made me feel like an idiot for bringing stats up after that, but it was a tangent anyway that led away from my actual points.
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On July 20 2010 22:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 22:12 setzer wrote:On July 20 2010 22:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 22:09 setzer wrote:On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:THAT SAID THIS: On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god.
Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is. guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation. I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map... Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season? If you are trying to provide an argument and state a fact you probably should not use blatant exaggeration like this. Um, it's not an exaggeration, ZvT it is one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. That's the nature of a long access time highground hugging the minerals of your natural. :> So by that logic I guess destination is also one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. And God's Garden. And virtually every map before 2009. Um, do you know what you're talking about? The minerals don't hug the wall on destination. You can put turrets and marines behind them to defend. :> Pretty sure god's garden is the same tho I haven't seen it in awhile. edit: I mean I can seriously show you an MSpaint doodad of why HBR is particularly good for muta harass if you want. :o
Wow. you don't get it. I am not saying its an amazingly bad map for muta harass, I am simply pointing out how saying "its one of the worst maps in muta harass history" is complete exaggeration because almost every map prior to 2h muta and modern mutalisk FEATURED THE SAME THING.
And, uh, you know you can build turrets on the high ground right?
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I never understood why people said superarc is a bad poster but now it all makes sense!
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On July 20 2010 22:07 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 22:05 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:THAT SAID THIS: On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:45 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
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Yep, it is.
I mean unless 3-0ing Jaedong still doesn't matter anymore. It matters less than his bo5 stats Ahaha what the fuck those two are so completely unrelated oh my god. Stats was a rookie in his first best of five and, even being the underdog, played worse than his usual standard against the best in the world. Flash took on the king of Bo5s in a finals and crushed him, it's safe to say if he thinks his TvZ is best then it probably is. guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation. I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map... Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season? valks/gols rape on NHBR A year ago NHBR might have been zerg favoured. you, you are the person who makes things up without anything to back it up and just assumes that it's right. HBR was your lucky ace map. Hell it's a terrible terran map in general, but your dude still failed because he fell prey to wanting to cheese a victory.
Ya, seriously. HBR is Z favoured, Effort had not lost a single ZvT on it before, and still he got crushed by a guy who's barely over 50% vs Z. Blaming SKT's victory on bad luck with maps or whatever is just lame.
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On July 20 2010 22:18 TheAntZ wrote:
I never understood why people said superarc is a bad poster but now it all makes sense!
nah man. it's the maps fault
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On July 20 2010 22:18 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 22:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 22:12 setzer wrote:On July 20 2010 22:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 22:09 setzer wrote:On July 20 2010 22:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:59 SuperArc wrote:On July 20 2010 21:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:THAT SAID THIS: On July 20 2010 21:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 20 2010 21:49 SuperArc wrote:
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guess what, so was jaedong (a rookie) and he still won a leauge back then Holy shit Stats isn't as good as Jaedong it's a world shaking revelation. Man you go on the most ridiculous tangents. Effort isn't a proven Judgment day ZvP specialist and Bisu beat someone who's better than Effort anyhow on the same map, lay off it. You had your shot when HBR was the ace match in the last set and blew it because your ace loves to zergling rush and fantasy's special builds aren't as vulnerable as Flash's. still applies. SKT was no more lucky today than you were yesterday, their ace choice was just more clutch in the disadvantageous situation. I still dont see how NHBR is a Z>T favoured map... Cuz progamers say it is? Because the natural is one of the most muta vulnerable in progamer match history? Because the high ground areas and circular center allow for easy lurker defense and general backstabbing? Because it was actually a map Effort played really well on in the regular season? If you are trying to provide an argument and state a fact you probably should not use blatant exaggeration like this. Um, it's not an exaggeration, ZvT it is one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. That's the nature of a long access time highground hugging the minerals of your natural. :> So by that logic I guess destination is also one of the most easily harrassed naturals ever. And God's Garden. And virtually every map before 2009. Um, do you know what you're talking about? The minerals don't hug the wall on destination. You can put turrets and marines behind them to defend. :> Pretty sure god's garden is the same tho I haven't seen it in awhile. edit: I mean I can seriously show you an MSpaint doodad of why HBR is particularly good for muta harass if you want. :o Wow. you don't get it. I am not saying its an amazingly bad map for muta harass, I am simply pointing out how saying "its one of the worst maps in muta harass history" is complete exaggeration because almost every map prior to 2h muta and modern mutalisk FEATURED THE SAME THING. And, uh, you know you can build turrets on the high ground right?
Yeah, I do! And terrans tried doing that but it didn't work because the SCV's couldn't repair the turrets and marines couldn't cover them. 2 muta swipes kill a turret, ya know.
I'm not counting maps from before actual muta harassment eras. That's just silly. The point of my statement was clear. Anyhow I don't think you even disagree with me so much as feel like arguing horrible semantics.
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SuperArc is having some sort of nervous breakdown.
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On July 20 2010 22:15 Salteador Neo wrote:
What's more important is that Bisu went 4-0 against CJ "deep" lineup.
And he rolled the new protoss future star.
Twice.
And it is a mirror so no map or MU imba excuses can be thrown for that.
Bisu is awesome.
Hi Salteador Neo, meet SuperArc
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OMFG! I JUST CAME. BISU I LOVE YOU! <3
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Why are people arguing with SuperAarc ffs?
CJ lost, good job Bisu. Sounds like Snow had it close.
Close series, 3 games, 2 to ace. Unfortunately Effort still fails against terran half the time. Snow is still inexperienced I guess, sounds like it was a close match from what I read.
Anyways, as much as I can't stand SKT1 with the exception of Bisu, I hope they win the rest.
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King K. Rool, I find it my duty to bash my face against any brick wall I meet, and I have yet to fail in this endeavor.
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On July 20 2010 22:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
King K. Rool, I find it my duty to bash my face against any brick wall I meet, and I have yet to fail in this endeavor.
Epic comment has to be repeated!
Still have fun in your endeavor 
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Thanks God and Konadora. Every time I watch his stream, SKT always win.
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Happy SKT won, but really worried about their Zergs. They're a combined 1-7 for the playoffs @_@
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Hope someone translates the interview quick, I'm dying to see the Bisu interview! :D
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