EPT[SPL] WeMade FOX vs KT Rolster - Page 38
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yomi
United States773 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:03 Spyfire242 wrote: Except everyone should agree at the time. "Everyone" is stretching it, given that there will be rabid fanboys who disagree for the sake of disagreeing (but we're not there yet). I think the main point is that you can't say that "Flash didn't do X" or "Flash lost X game, and that invalidates him." He can't be invalidated for something where the only criterion is consensus. On June 13 2010 16:06 yomi wrote: flash needs to be super dominant pretty much from here out to be considered bonjwa anytime soon. otherwise he needs a lot more time. To me the larger margin you are winning by the earlier you are bonjwa. If he is just the winningest but not by a lot he needs to be the winningest for a long time like 4 years. Only one Bonjwa had a period of success anywhere close to that long. And he was also absurdly dominant during that time too. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
Nah, i guess its just that flash keeps on cutting corners in his build so that he can gain that solid midgame advantage to help solidify his lategame advantage Really miss his dropship play last year winter, i remember a pl game between him and fantasy where he completely manhandled fantasy with his superior game sense + dropship play even though i dont really like him  | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:02 J1.au wrote: Exactly. It isn't a fixed category, which is why saying Flash must meet a certain criteria to become one is false. Well the easiest way to tell if someone is bonjwa is whether people agree that he's bonjwa. since so many people disagree about Flash, he's not bonjwa. The title is meaningless when only your fans think you are bonjwa. During those previous guys' careers, even their most hated anti-fans grudgingly accepted them as bonjwas. Its a title that is made legitimate by the non-Flash fans recognition of Flash. Sure, this might be unfair now, and there may never be a bonjwa again. Nobody said the title or criteria for the title is fair. Flash is just unlucky that JD is around. But that doesn't mean they're both somehow bonwjas. If you notice, all the users calling Flash bonjwa (including Plexa, see his blog about Effort's OSL win) are hugely biased for Flash. You need consensus to get the mantle, and Flash doesn't have it. | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:10 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Why must every thread that Flash/KT plays end with 5-6 pages of bonjwa discussion. He isn't one until he is, and everyone will know when is that; so why the stupid rehashed arguments? DON'T FIGHT IT, you will only be disappointed next time KT plays. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
That will never be good enough for people in love with nostalgia. People that keep thinking Flash should be able to emulate boxer or nada all the time. | ||
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chosef
Bulgaria12 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:10 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Why must every thread that Flash/KT plays end with 5-6 pages of bonjwa discussion. He isn't one until he is, and everyone will know when is that; so why the stupid rehashed arguments? Because internet. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:13 ZlaSHeR wrote: Flash: 0-3 in Aces last 3 weeks...killing me man...absolutely killing me... KT has locked in a playoff spot, so it's not that big a deal... unless he fails in a playoff super-ace. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:14 Hot_Bid wrote: KT has locked in a playoff spot, so it's not that big a deal... unless he fails in a playoff super-ace. There are no more super aces, its three Bo7s | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:14 Hot_Bid wrote: KT has locked in a playoff spot, so it's not that big a deal... unless he fails in a playoff super-ace. Being seeded directly to the PL grand finals is a pretty big deal, IMO. What could've been a shoe-in will instead be a neck-and-neck race from here on. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:16 SuperArc wrote: There are no more super aces, its three Bo7s Ah okay. Well then the other teams better really hope CJ doesn't make it then because this format helps us so much rofl. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:18 Hot_Bid wrote: Ah okay. Well then the other teams better really hope CJ doesn't make it then because this format helps us so much rofl. STX fighting ^_^ | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:18 Hot_Bid wrote: Ah okay. Well then the other teams better really hope CJ doesn't make it then because this format helps us so much rofl. But for our sake lets hope CJ really picks it up. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:12 Hot_Bid wrote: Completely disagree. Firstly, I'm not claiming Flash is a bonjwa and that blog i wrote was complete garbage as you can see from my fantasy team and the latest PR. More importantly, no one called savior a "bonjwa" during his prime - they simply called him the best. Even the biggest Flash anti-fan would be foolish to call Flash not the best player in the world right now. I would argue that this has been the case since December at the very least. Well the easiest way to tell if someone is bonjwa is whether people agree that he's bonjwa. since so many people disagree about Flash, he's not bonjwa. The title is meaningless when only your fans think you are bonjwa. During those previous guys' careers, even their most hated anti-fans grudgingly accepted them as bonjwas. Its a title that is made legitimate by the non-Flash fans recognition of Flash. Sure, this might be unfair now, and there may never be a bonjwa again. Nobody said the title or criteria for the title is fair. Flash is just unlucky that JD is around. But that doesn't mean they're both somehow bonwjas. If you notice, all the users calling Flash bonjwa (including Plexa, see his blog about Effort's OSL win) are hugely biased for Flash. You need consensus to get the mantle, and Flash doesn't have it. Bonjwa is a retrospective term. You look back on a player's career and can say with confidence that they were a bonjwa - and Flash is certainly walking that path at the moment (if he weren't, there wouldn't be this much controversy when he loses). You can't look back on Jaedong, Bisu, July, Nal_ra etc and say that they were a bonjwa since you can't say throughout their career that they were the undisputed best for an extended period of time. And you won't be able to make those claims about Flash for a while yet. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:18 Hot_Bid wrote: And one Bo7 for the final iirc!Ah okay. Well then the other teams better really hope CJ doesn't make it then because this format helps us so much rofl. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:18 Hot_Bid wrote: Ah okay. Well then the other teams better really hope CJ doesn't make it then because this format helps us so much rofl. I REALLY want to see SKT vs CJ in this format. 3x Bo7 seems to emphasize good lineup selection, and seeing two of the best lineup-producing coaches try to snipe one another could create some interesting results. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:22 TheYango wrote: I REALLY want to see SKT vs CJ in this format. 3x Bo7 seems to emphasize good lineup selection, and seeing two of the best lineup-producing coaches try to snipe one another could create some interesting results. winner of SKT1 vs CJ will pretty much win it all. On June 13 2010 16:21 Plexa wrote: And one Bo7 for the final iirc! Really? Why o.O | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On June 13 2010 16:20 Plexa wrote: Completely disagree. Firstly, I'm not claiming Flash is a bonjwa and that blog i wrote was complete garbage as you can see from my fantasy team and the latest PR. More importantly, no one called savior a "bonjwa" during his prime - they simply called him the best. Even the biggest Flash anti-fan would be foolish to call Flash not the best player in the world right now. I would argue that this has been the case since December at the very least. Bonjwa is a retrospective term. You look back on a player's career and can say with confidence that they were a bonjwa - and Flash is certainly walking that path at the moment (if he weren't, there wouldn't be this much controversy when he loses). You can't look back on Jaedong, Bisu, July, Nal_ra etc and say that they were a bonjwa since you can't say throughout their career that they were the undisputed best for an extended period of time. And you won't be able to make those claims about Flash for a while yet. You said he's "walking that path" and that means he's not bonjwa :/ Nobody is saying he can never be bonjwa, they're saying he isn't one now, no matter how many Flash fans want to believe otherwise. | ||
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