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On June 13 2010 15:35 Spyfire242 wrote:
Flash fan boys need to realize, when you are the player to beat for awhile, people start beating you, flash isn't unstoppable, and true fans won't be upset if he loses some games, I mean... at least you are not ACE fans! AM I RIGHT?? Or like me CJ fan 0-6 in 2 weeks is D: but I still love and root for them always!
good point, you don't just stop supporting your team in basketball, football etc. just because they can't be the champion every season ar lose games.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though 
What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?
Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance  ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least.
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On June 13 2010 15:34 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:31 okum wrote:Flash was bonjwa before this month On a different note... ugh, it's been like ten sets now that KT couldn't end before ace despite Flash winning his game. How can they be so bad? I'm sure it doesn't help Flash when he has to play the ace match every single time. KT are just back to their former self. I dont know what they ate in R1 and first half of R2, but it wasnt the normal Violet/KT zergs. Last few games were I think only Stats and Flash winning their games. KT actually has to be really happy at Stats otherwise they'd lose 1-3 most of the time like last year. Of course you cant win a PL final with Stats and Flash only.
I actually think Lux was a big part of KT. Even when he doesnt keep winning there is always the fear of him all-ining his way to victory. Which is why i freaking hate Lux to death right now.
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flash I'm a true fan but come on bro shake it up i got u in my fantasy league for a REASON :DDDDD
[e] to clarify I'll never jump ship, flash #1 in my <3
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whats going on... why are there 4000 people watching this K POP!??
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On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least.
As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled.
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On June 13 2010 15:37 Issorlol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:32 McDonalds wrote:On June 13 2010 15:29 Issorlol wrote:On June 13 2010 15:24 FuRong wrote:
Man, Flash is seriously done for...if this keeps up for another month, he won't even be considered the best Terran, let alone the best player in the world... holy shit, he's lost a few games in the last month! SLUMP! Seriously, people. CALM DOWN. I think the problem is that he is losing the high-pressure games. He just beat Jaedong 3-0 in the MSL. Doesn't get a whole lot more high-pressure...
Not trying to say Flash wasn't playing awesome in the finals.
But Jaedong played for shit those 3 games. The only time Flash was remotely at a disadvantage was in game 3, and he knew after the break failed he'd be on top.
That's my opinion anyway.
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On June 13 2010 15:37 Issorlol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:32 McDonalds wrote:On June 13 2010 15:29 Issorlol wrote:On June 13 2010 15:24 FuRong wrote:
Man, Flash is seriously done for...if this keeps up for another month, he won't even be considered the best Terran, let alone the best player in the world... holy shit, he's lost a few games in the last month! SLUMP! Seriously, people. CALM DOWN. I think the problem is that he is losing the high-pressure games. He just beat Jaedong 3-0 in the MSL. Doesn't get a whole lot more high-pressure...
That was a day or two after he lost three matches in a row to Effort. He might have had more to prove but I'd say the expectations were lower. And anyway, that was weeks ago.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate.
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On June 13 2010 15:39 jiabung wrote:
whats going on... why are there 4000 people watching this K POP!??
it's night time in North America... *hint hint*
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United States47024 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:39 Yxes2211 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:37 Issorlol wrote:On June 13 2010 15:32 McDonalds wrote:On June 13 2010 15:29 Issorlol wrote:On June 13 2010 15:24 FuRong wrote:
Man, Flash is seriously done for...if this keeps up for another month, he won't even be considered the best Terran, let alone the best player in the world... holy shit, he's lost a few games in the last month! SLUMP! Seriously, people. CALM DOWN. I think the problem is that he is losing the high-pressure games. He just beat Jaedong 3-0 in the MSL. Doesn't get a whole lot more high-pressure... Not trying to say Flash wasn't playing awesome in the finals. But Jaedong played for shit those 3 games. The only time Flash was remotely at a disadvantage was in game 3, and he knew after the break failed he'd be on top. That's my opinion anyway.
Off topic, but since when is getting away with 3hatch before pool against 14cc a disadvantage?
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On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate.
I am not saying it isn't possible, but there can't be any doubt coming from anyone (other than obvious trolls) for it to be true.
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On June 13 2010 15:38 iLoveKT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:34 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:31 okum wrote:Flash was bonjwa before this month On a different note... ugh, it's been like ten sets now that KT couldn't end before ace despite Flash winning his game. How can they be so bad? I'm sure it doesn't help Flash when he has to play the ace match every single time. KT are just back to their former self. I dont know what they ate in R1 and first half of R2, but it wasnt the normal Violet/KT zergs. Last few games were I think only Stats and Flash winning their games. KT actually has to be really happy at Stats otherwise they'd lose 1-3 most of the time like last year. Of course you cant win a PL final with Stats and Flash only. I actually think Lux was a big part of KT. Even when he doesnt keep winning there is always the fear of him all-ining his way to victory. Which is why i freaking hate Lux to death right now.
Shouldnt you hate KT zergs' coach more? Lux was just a bought player.
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On June 13 2010 15:42 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:38 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:34 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:31 okum wrote:Flash was bonjwa before this month On a different note... ugh, it's been like ten sets now that KT couldn't end before ace despite Flash winning his game. How can they be so bad? I'm sure it doesn't help Flash when he has to play the ace match every single time. KT are just back to their former self. I dont know what they ate in R1 and first half of R2, but it wasnt the normal Violet/KT zergs. Last few games were I think only Stats and Flash winning their games. KT actually has to be really happy at Stats otherwise they'd lose 1-3 most of the time like last year. Of course you cant win a PL final with Stats and Flash only. I actually think Lux was a big part of KT. Even when he doesnt keep winning there is always the fear of him all-ining his way to victory. Which is why i freaking hate Lux to death right now. Shouldnt you hate KT zergs' coach more? Lux was just a bought player.
What does being a bought player have to do with anything?
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4331 watchers and it keeps going... :D
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:41 Spyfire242 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate. I am not saying it isn't possible, but there can't be any doubt coming from anyone (other than obvious trolls) for it to be true. Bonjwa is a retrospective term. We'll look back after Flash starts suckingn and go "yup, he was a bonjwa 100%" or go "no, he was pretty inconsistent"
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France2061 Posts
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ.
The important thing to note about this bonjwa silliness is that proleague results don't really matter -- it's all about the starleagues. So this "yes he's bonjwa", "no he's not" after every proleague game is kinda ridiculous, and has been since the Winners League.
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On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least.
With all due respect, losing 5 ace games in a row in fact is a big deal.
and I am watching the savior vs Yooi game.
Yooi opened with some weird 1 base dropship -> wraith play + the map is freaking 815
I get what you're trying to say about how the previous bonjwas weren't perfect, but nowadays the standards have become higher as Jaedong and Bisu dominated for periods of time without being close to being called Bonjwa
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On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ.
dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol.
edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least.
If he does get B'ed I call writing a uh...
TLFE on it!
GREEK STYLE
On June 13 2010 15:42 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:38 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:34 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:31 okum wrote:Flash was bonjwa before this month On a different note... ugh, it's been like ten sets now that KT couldn't end before ace despite Flash winning his game. How can they be so bad? I'm sure it doesn't help Flash when he has to play the ace match every single time. KT are just back to their former self. I dont know what they ate in R1 and first half of R2, but it wasnt the normal Violet/KT zergs. Last few games were I think only Stats and Flash winning their games. KT actually has to be really happy at Stats otherwise they'd lose 1-3 most of the time like last year. Of course you cant win a PL final with Stats and Flash only. I actually think Lux was a big part of KT. Even when he doesnt keep winning there is always the fear of him all-ining his way to victory. Which is why i freaking hate Lux to death right now. Shouldnt you hate KT zergs' coach more? Lux was just a stinkin' cheat.
Fixed for you!
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