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On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games.
Yeah, but ZvZ is a way harder matchup to master (TvT allows mistakes) and JvZ peak in a mirror matchup is untouchable .
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K-Pop > Baby vs Flash ACE .. lol...
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On June 13 2010 15:47 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games. Yeah, but ZvZ is a way harder matchup to master (TvT allows mistakes) and JvZ peak is untouchable .
yeah flash didnt have a 20+ streak in tvt too. if we talk about peak, look at that streak.
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On June 13 2010 15:47 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games. Yeah, but ZvZ is a way harder matchup to master (TvT allows mistakes) and JvZ peak is untouchable .
You don't call Flash's TvT peak untouchable?
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Braavos36375 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though  What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance  ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate.
if flash dual finals again and wins both then sure
but until then, he loses just as much as he wins in pressure situations
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On June 13 2010 15:47 -Desu- wrote:
K-Pop > Baby vs Flash ACE .. lol...
Music appeals to more people than professional video game playing. What a surprise.
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On June 13 2010 15:49 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:47 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games. Yeah, but ZvZ is a way harder matchup to master (TvT allows mistakes) and JvZ peak is untouchable . You don't call Flash's TvT peak untouchable?
I mean as a mirror matchup, sorry that I was unclear about that.
Flash's TvT peak is untouchable.
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On June 13 2010 15:49 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate. if flash dual finals again and wins both then sure but until then, he loses just as much as he wins in pressure situations
Sure, as long as we can agree that Boxer, iloveoov and Savior are no longer bonjwas.
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On June 13 2010 15:50 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:49 okum wrote:On June 13 2010 15:47 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games. Yeah, but ZvZ is a way harder matchup to master (TvT allows mistakes) and JvZ peak is untouchable . You don't call Flash's TvT peak untouchable? I mean as a mirror matchup, sorry that I was unclear about that. Flash's TvT peak is untouchable.
Wait, TvT isn't a mirror matchup? Now I'm totally confused o_O
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On June 13 2010 15:51 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:50 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:49 okum wrote:On June 13 2010 15:47 SuperArc wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games. Yeah, but ZvZ is a way harder matchup to master (TvT allows mistakes) and JvZ peak is untouchable . You don't call Flash's TvT peak untouchable? I mean as a mirror matchup, sorry that I was unclear about that. Flash's TvT peak is untouchable. Wait, TvT isn't a mirror matchup? Now I'm totally confused o_O
Of course it is, but Flash's TvT wont come near JvZ.
Meaning JvZ will be the most dominant mirror matchup ever.
No one will ever come close to Flash's TvT the same as Flash wont come near JvZ
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On June 13 2010 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:44 snowdrift86 wrote:
This is where we take a moment to admire the feat that is JvZ. dude. there was a time when jd couldnt win a zvz. and it was much longer then flash current streak. lol. edit: and flash doesnt even have a losing streak in tvt coz he wins his normal games.
Exactly what time was that? Because JvZ is the most dominant matchup ever.
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On June 13 2010 15:49 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate. if flash dual finals again and wins both then sure but until then, he loses just as much as he wins in pressure situations
Agreed. Winning OSL and MSL simultaneously would be a statement as powerful as they can get.
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France2061 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:50 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:49 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate. if flash dual finals again and wins both then sure but until then, he loses just as much as he wins in pressure situations Sure, as long as we can agree that Boxer, iloveoov and Savior are no longer bonjwas.
Bonjwa isn't a fixed category. It's a title that was created for one player, Savior, and then awarded retroactively to three other players. There are no clear-cut requirements to become a bonjwa and no specific metrics to measure one, so pointing to an older player and saying "he got away with only one OSL, unfair!" isn't going to make any difference.
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btw with this loss Flash even dropped below 80% win rate in Pl. :O
This was his goal after all.
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On June 13 2010 15:57 SuperArc wrote:
btw with this loss Flash even dropped below 80% win rate in Pl. :O
This was his goal after all.
Oh nos, less than 80%? D: hehehe...
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On June 13 2010 15:56 snowdrift86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:50 J1.au wrote:On June 13 2010 15:49 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate. if flash dual finals again and wins both then sure but until then, he loses just as much as he wins in pressure situations Sure, as long as we can agree that Boxer, iloveoov and Savior are no longer bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a fixed category. It's a title that was created for one player, Savior, and then awarded retroactively to three other players. There are no clear-cut requirements to become a bonjwa, and no specific metrics to measure one, so pointing to an older player and saying "he got away with only one OSL, unfair!" isn't going to make any difference.
Exactly. It isn't a fixed category, which is why saying Flash must meet a certain criteria to become one is false.
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On June 13 2010 16:02 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:56 snowdrift86 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:50 J1.au wrote:On June 13 2010 15:49 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 13 2010 15:40 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:39 Spyfire242 wrote:On June 13 2010 15:37 Plexa wrote:On June 13 2010 15:28 Waxangel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 15:25 Yxes2211 wrote:
Flash isn't a bonjwa this month *cough* *cough* Power ranking
I called it from the beginning XD Bad ass play by Baby We never bonjwa'ed Flash. Well, at least I didn't. Also Plexa just said it was open to debate. + Show Spoiler +In before rage, I guess... plexa was wrong, though What? because iloveoov never lost TvTs to players? Or Savior never losing to Yooi?Flash lost, big deal. Being a bonjwa is more about winning and losing one game, it is how a player plays over an extended period of time. No player is going to have a 100% winrate, and Flash's losses are invariably to players to high caliber (not players like Yooi and Sync for instance ). The Bonjwa debate can't be settled until this season is over, at the very least. As long as its a debate I don't think it will ever be settled. If Flash dual finals again, I don't think there is much debate to be had but if Flash goes 0-3 in both leagues then equally there isn't much to debate. if flash dual finals again and wins both then sure but until then, he loses just as much as he wins in pressure situations Sure, as long as we can agree that Boxer, iloveoov and Savior are no longer bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a fixed category. It's a title that was created for one player, Savior, and then awarded retroactively to three other players. There are no clear-cut requirements to become a bonjwa, and no specific metrics to measure one, so pointing to an older player and saying "he got away with only one OSL, unfair!" isn't going to make any difference. Exactly. It isn't a fixed category, which is why saying Flash must meet a certain criteria to become one is false.
Except everyone should agree at the time.
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The reason Flash isn't bonjwa yet is that he's only been dominant for two seasons. All the bonjwas were indisputably the best player for at least 3 straight seasons. Flash was the best player in the NATE/EVER season and the KA1/Hana Daetoo season, but before that Jaedong was pretty much universally agreed to be better than him. If he remains the indisputable best player for the KA2/bigfile season he should be bonjwa.
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Ouch, three ace matches this round is probably going to cost us first spot, hopefully flash can come back and do some incredible shit in the next few matches
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On June 13 2010 16:04 Scaramanga wrote:
Ouch, three ace matches this round is probably going to cost us first spot, hopefully flash can come back and do some incredible shit in the next few matches
Nope, #1 is firmly in your hands.
There's a team who's been doing as bad as you.
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