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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 29 2010 10:05 GMT
#2621
So, Effort > JD, right?
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
May 29 2010 10:05 GMT
#2622
On May 29 2010 19:05 Emon_ wrote:
So, Effort > JD, right?


hell no
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
May 29 2010 10:05 GMT
#2623
On May 29 2010 19:05 Cpadolf wrote:
And so Lee-Ssang-Rok continues to be cursed. We'll probably never get a big series between these guys that ends up being as good as it by all means should be.


Just like Boxer and Yellow
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
May 29 2010 10:06 GMT
#2624
On May 29 2010 19:05 Emon_ wrote:
So, Effort > JD, right?


Definitely not
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 29 2010 10:06 GMT
#2625
On May 29 2010 19:04 Sadistx wrote:
Also game 3 what the fuck were those hydra busts after Flash got his tanks? You sniped 2 bunkers and 4 rines in exchange for 20 hydras? Lol?


So what did you want him to do at that point? Transition into a macro game when he hasn't mined his 3rd gas and his Lair was just starting? We saw how that turned out

Containing mech doesn't even do shit because it's not like it moves out
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 10:07:20
May 29 2010 10:06 GMT
#2626
On May 29 2010 19:05 Emon_ wrote:
So, Effort > JD, right?


A > B, B > C doesn't mean A > C. But Effort definitely showed better adaptability and didn't hold back from early aggression.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
May 29 2010 10:06 GMT
#2627
On May 29 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 18:58 StylishVODs wrote:
I will only say this once.
Making 14 CC after scouting 12hatch, and having a lingproof wall option, is not cheese or even risky.


what about blind 14cc (game 1+2)?


Game 2 was not a blind 14 cc. SCV scout checked to see if JD was cross position, when he saw that he put down the CC. Had he not seen JD cross position he would've walled with rax -> fast CC.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
May 29 2010 10:06 GMT
#2628
14cc will be like forge-FE for terran. Get a scout out and find that 12hatch ASAP!
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
May 29 2010 10:07 GMT
#2629
On May 29 2010 19:04 Sadistx wrote:
All I'm going to say is these games feel like they were thrown all around, both the OSL and MSL (Flash letting Effort have the title and Jaedong letting Flash have the MSL title).

If you prep for 3 weeks and have NO builds that counter 14 CC (oh like I dunno 9 pool or JAEDONG SIGNATURE 2 hatch muta), then you either deserve to lose or you threw those games.
I was rooting for Flash, but Jaedong's builds could have been so much better if they were just a little bit aggressive. I swear it was like watching NR20, NR10 and NR10 games. I know they are probably honorable in not rushing each other but fuck, do what you have to do to win.

Also game 3 what the fuck were those hydra busts after Flash got his tanks? You sniped 2 bunkers and 4 rines in exchange for 20 hydras? Lol?





And what was Jaedong supposed to do. After he pumped so many hydras he had to try a bust...
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
May 29 2010 10:07 GMT
#2630
On May 29 2010 19:00 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote:
On May 29 2010 18:48 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On May 29 2010 18:43 moopie wrote:
I can't fucking believe flash held off that all-in hydra bust with 2 goliaths and scvs. That was insane.



This. Seeing a screen's worth of hydras with speed just streaming to a nearly empty wall, and then seeing him HOLD IT OFF was amazing.


The vult scouted the hydra rush. As soon as it did - Flash built a bunker,put rhines in, and gathered all his scvs from his nat around it. I guess from a Flash fan perspective it was exciting, but for me it just looked like he took the logical step and it worked.

Jaedong on the other hand should have realized that Flash had it held off and would have better chances of winning had he choose a new strat, rather then having 4-5 tanks and 12 gols knocking at his door minutes later. The massive hydra loses to sniping those 2 bunkers didn't help him too much either.

JD's decision making was poor and there was nothing exciting about it.


C'mon. The bunker went down to like 60 hp. Had it went down it would have been over. It reminded me the Heartbreak Ridge game and the bunker rush there. Same kind of tension.


Yeah - I guess you have a point there. For some reason I was confused, thinking that JD had the game in the bag and then realized the bunker did not go down, and then I didn't know what to think. Guess I'm just aggravated that it all came down to a bunker in the the final match that and:
1 bunker, 3 rhines, 10 scvs > 20 hydras.
CJ Entusman #24
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 29 2010 10:07 GMT
#2631
On May 29 2010 19:05 Emon_ wrote:
So, Effort > JD, right?

This month, of course.

Career wise obviously not.
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
May 29 2010 10:08 GMT
#2632
On May 29 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 18:58 StylishVODs wrote:
I will only say this once.
Making 14 CC after scouting 12hatch, and having a lingproof wall option, is not cheese or even risky.


what about blind 14cc (game 1+2)?


Did you watch the same games I did? Game 2 he clearly scouted the 12 hatch before making his cc. The dude watching even pointed this out by showing scv next to hatch, then back to flash's nat and highlighting the scv that only then built the cc.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
May 29 2010 10:08 GMT
#2633
On May 29 2010 19:06 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:
On May 29 2010 18:58 StylishVODs wrote:
I will only say this once.
Making 14 CC after scouting 12hatch, and having a lingproof wall option, is not cheese or even risky.


what about blind 14cc (game 1+2)?


Game 2 was not a blind 14 cc. SCV scout checked to see if JD was cross position, when he saw that he put down the CC. Had he not seen JD cross position he would've walled with rax -> fast CC.

You can only be cross position on Odd-Eye
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
May 29 2010 10:08 GMT
#2634
On May 29 2010 19:07 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 19:04 Sadistx wrote:
All I'm going to say is these games feel like they were thrown all around, both the OSL and MSL (Flash letting Effort have the title and Jaedong letting Flash have the MSL title).

If you prep for 3 weeks and have NO builds that counter 14 CC (oh like I dunno 9 pool or JAEDONG SIGNATURE 2 hatch muta), then you either deserve to lose or you threw those games.
I was rooting for Flash, but Jaedong's builds could have been so much better if they were just a little bit aggressive. I swear it was like watching NR20, NR10 and NR10 games. I know they are probably honorable in not rushing each other but fuck, do what you have to do to win.

Also game 3 what the fuck were those hydra busts after Flash got his tanks? You sniped 2 bunkers and 4 rines in exchange for 20 hydras? Lol?





And what was Jaedong supposed to do. After he pumped so many hydras he had to try a bust...


Contain, double expand, make mutas, then try a big flank when Flash moved out. It certainly works better than suiciding.
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
May 29 2010 10:08 GMT
#2635
14cc wall-in VS what can I do about it?
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
May 29 2010 10:09 GMT
#2636
kwanro would be a msl champion had he played this finals
BW is back
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 10:09:25
May 29 2010 10:09 GMT
#2637
On May 29 2010 19:06 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 19:00 SuperArc wrote:
On May 29 2010 18:58 StylishVODs wrote:
I will only say this once.
Making 14 CC after scouting 12hatch, and having a lingproof wall option, is not cheese or even risky.


what about blind 14cc (game 1+2)?


Game 2 was not a blind 14 cc. SCV scout checked to see if JD was cross position, when he saw that he put down the CC. Had he not seen JD cross position he would've walled with rax -> fast CC.


Odd Eye is always cross position...
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
May 29 2010 10:09 GMT
#2638
Somehow people haven't been whining so much about 3 hatch before the pool that JAedong pulled out last time they met.

Effort also used it and it was ok.

Now Flash does 14 CC AFTER scouting and it is a big deal...
Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
May 29 2010 10:09 GMT
#2639
Can't wait for the next "Power rank"
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 29 2010 10:09 GMT
#2640
On May 29 2010 19:09 Jackal03 wrote:
kwanro would be a msl champion had he played this finals


Nope, Kwanro had the exact same chance last MSL, Flash went early rax against him, but Kwanro 12hatched like every game.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
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