i love the look of first two maps

o and i dont think the desert map is anti-zerg
i mean think of this, any race will have to put their shit on there by islands. now a zerg has a SERIOUS advantage in that they can abuse that middle ground with guards etc
AND early game they will have the run of that middle medallion thing because they have mass lords and can get hydra/lurk around easier and faster than the terran who has to drop shit 2-3 dropships at a time. so i think with a good bit of scouting zerg can quarantine terran out of that middle because they can scourge/lord drop then tech to guards and that middle area is soooo safe without serious terran/toss air support (sairs/valks/wraiths)

see the beauty of that middle formation is its proximity, u can run hydras around on it from one side to other in no time, and zerg can keep bringing as much reinforcements as they can produce due to lord. i think its the most balanced semi island map ive seen from first impressions.

and the valley of wind reminds me of paradoxxx in that u can build shit in middle elevated ground and stop ur enemy mining centre expands. in fact 2 expand island start its paradoxxx sideways

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

April 08 2004 21:15 GMT

#26

On April 08 2004 13:15 Ebenol wrote:
I hate the desert tileset. Won't this map be hard for Zerg, considering they'll have to protect their main and expansion individually?

you don't HAVE TO fast expand, sigh

Kobayashi

Portugal1970 Posts

April 08 2004 21:17 GMT

#27

On April 09 2004 06:06 SpuniasauR wrote:
i love the look of first two maps

o and i dont think the desert map is anti-zerg
i mean think of this, any race will have to put their shit on there by islands. now a zerg has a SERIOUS advantage in that they can abuse that middle ground with guards etc
AND early game they will have the run of that middle medallion thing because they have mass lords and can get hydra/lurk around easier and faster than the terran who has to drop shit 2-3 dropships at a time. so i think with a good bit of scouting zerg can quarantine terran out of that middle because they can scourge/lord drop then tech to guards and that middle area is soooo safe without serious terran/toss air support (sairs/valks/wraiths)

see the beauty of that middle formation is its proximity, u can run hydras around on it from one side to other in no time, and zerg can keep bringing as much reinforcements as they can produce due to lord. i think its the most balanced semi island map ive seen from first impressions.

that's all very nice if you survive the first 15m with no way to secure an expo.

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

April 08 2004 21:17 GMT

#28

I haven't tried these maps yet but I will do it later tonight+_+

Kobayashi

Portugal1970 Posts

April 08 2004 21:18 GMT

#29

On April 09 2004 06:15 GroT wrote:

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you don't HAVE TO fast expand, sigh

I don't HAVE TO go early exp, but sooner or later you're gonna have to exp and on this map you either have the advantage already and you can secure your exp or you have to try an hidden exp or something like that.

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

April 08 2004 21:20 GMT

#30

On April 09 2004 06:18 Kobayashi wrote:

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You can contain your enemy and then exp -_-

AutumnLight

Ukraine2488 Posts

April 10 2004 05:15 GMT

#31

looking forward to some very good games

FrEaK[S.sIR]

2373 Posts

April 10 2004 10:15 GMT

#32

clearly hes never heard of the 2 hatch speedling -> exp builds

red.venom

United States4651 Posts

April 11 2004 14:07 GMT

#33

These maps are crazy. I honestly think the 4th map(Requiem) would be a dope air map if they took away ramps... Hopefully 2nd and 3rd maps are the ones they pick though. Regardless of what you think about Zerg openings, it's pretty hard to play ZvT on a map like the the first one. There are plenty of things you can do, but the only pressure Z has early on vs a T is with ling(Hopefully with speed) counter threat, and powering due to the defense sunken provides(Allowing ample time to mass units and prepare a strong opening). Map like that sort of takes away the powering part, and it's all about your opening timing vs T's. ; [

Kane

Poland114 Posts

April 11 2004 15:55 GMT

#34

Requiem and wvally of Wind imho are the best....MERCURY sux for any zerg zvp any word can be said beacuase toss easly take exp after exp with cannons and mass....and zvt m&m will bloc the way and tanks will take the res with exp's under the cosmic space
the geurenic cna be good for zerg only when respawns will be long 11-5 1-8 short respwan it means easly dead for zerg withoutn exp or 2 way deffending exp and main.
Requiem is some kind modifaid of Hall of Valhalla with much more space on the middle it can bee good but that mins on the midlee corners UP terran strats with tanks after them

Kane

Poland114 Posts

April 11 2004 16:00 GMT

#35

Any terran must yunderstand that zerg must have advantage of exp. if they dont it means dead for them.... try to atack ling hydra vs marrins and you will understnad what i mean only lurkers and without +exp gass you are dead

Dark_mage

Russian Federation2 Posts

April 11 2004 22:55 GMT

#36

On April 08 2004 17:17 SoMuchBetter wrote:
why cant a zerg player design a map for once

I think that zerg players designed LT...

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

April 11 2004 23:05 GMT

#37

On April 12 2004 07:55 Dark_mage wrote:

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I think that zerg players designed LT...

Agreed

RaiZ

2813 Posts

April 12 2004 00:51 GMT

#38

I just discovered somes bugs on requiem... It advantages zerg a LOT

Well let me explain : All races can expand easily at the 2nd expand (the one which is blocked by minerals) by using the 2 peons gathering.
But when i tried to pass throught the minerals only glings can pass it : that means they can attack any early expands while zerg can expand very safely...

I hope they will be some of these tricks in the tournament ^^ It would be fun don't u think ? (Hope it's not Boxer which will do this first...)