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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 24 2010 09:50 GMT
#481
swarms allow lurkerling to push across Fantasy's bridge
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
April 24 2010 09:50 GMT
#482
Calm should've killed fantasy minutes ago. Not that it matters.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 24 2010 09:50 GMT
#483
Hes on 5 gas..he should mass cows.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#484
Swarms up at Fantasy's bridge with a huge number of reinforcements streaming in.
. . . nevermore
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#485
fantasy has 1 mining base, while calm has 5, gg right there
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#486
--- Nuked ---
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#487
Wow, that is/was(game is over anyway) sad. What's the point of doing nothing when it's 2 bases vs 4/5 bases? -.-
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#488
On April 24 2010 18:48 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2010 18:44 SuperArc wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:41 samachking wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:40 SuperArc wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:39 APurpleCow wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:37 SuperArc wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:36 APurpleCow wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:35 okum wrote:
12 hatch again.

I guess if you do it sufficiently often, opponents won't be able to guess it because it doesn't make any sense.


........

12 hatch is a pretty safe opening vs Terran.

3 hatch before pool isn't.


lol no.

12hatch is very very hard to defend against 8rax if the terran knows what he's doing.


12 hatch is used in almost every game. What the hell are you talking about?


Yeah and every game terran counters with rax expand and guess who's winning more games lately?

8rax/rax expand > 12 hatch.


I think you should play more BW. Because trust me, 12hat is the best thing you can actually do. And that is terrible statistics. Did you ever think that the mu might be slightly imba in favour of Terran, or just that Zergs are sucking in comparison to terrans recently?


I like the three hatch before pool opening way more than 12hatch.


lol....
Ofc you do, its the best econ build zerg can do, except its a gimmick build and is a intstant loss to any competent terran who goes rax first.

It's not safe at all, that's why it's used sparingly. 12hat/11pool for 3hat or 12hat/12gas for 2hat are the best and safest builds out there. If Zerg players mass 3hat before pool they are simply going to get crushed by terrans 8raxing and bbsing much more, and if you 9pool/3hat before pool every game, you'll simply get bbs'd in their main and lose, its not a viable build for a metagame and it's a gimmick.


I am not saying three hatch before pool should become a standard. But I wish zergs would start using it as often as terrans go 14cc nowadays.

All zergs do nowadays are 12hatches, it makes me sick. No variation at all, except the usual way superior zerg goes for early pool to prevent cheese from mediocre terran..
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#489
Fantasy pushed all the way back to his nat
If I wasn't a Fantasy fan I'd never watch his games
Fantasy concedes.

Weaksauce.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#490
Aaaand the swarm goes up in the nat.

Fantasy GGs.
. . . nevermore
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#491
GG

Swarm and Lurkers in his natural
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#492
Back to the drawing board, Fantasy. You really need to shape up to be a contender.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 24 2010 09:51 GMT
#493
GG right as the lurks burrow under the swarm at the nat..didn't get to see mass marine death
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
April 24 2010 09:52 GMT
#494
damn I'm 0-3.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
April 24 2010 09:52 GMT
#495
Fantasy should really start working on his bio instead of these fancy mech builds.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 09:53:19
April 24 2010 09:52 GMT
#496
On April 24 2010 18:51 Megalisk wrote:
GG right as the lurks burrow under the swarm at the nat..didn't get to see mass marine death


Heh, yeah there were lurkers under every inch of that swarm. I was waiting for the spines shooting out in every direction. But fantasy has his pride.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 24 2010 09:53 GMT
#497
Oov talking to Fantasy in the waiting room
I wonder what he has to say about that sorry performance?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
April 24 2010 09:53 GMT
#498
On April 24 2010 18:51 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2010 18:48 samachking wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:44 SuperArc wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:41 samachking wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:40 SuperArc wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:39 APurpleCow wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:37 SuperArc wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:36 APurpleCow wrote:
On April 24 2010 18:35 okum wrote:
12 hatch again.

I guess if you do it sufficiently often, opponents won't be able to guess it because it doesn't make any sense.


........

12 hatch is a pretty safe opening vs Terran.

3 hatch before pool isn't.


lol no.

12hatch is very very hard to defend against 8rax if the terran knows what he's doing.


12 hatch is used in almost every game. What the hell are you talking about?


Yeah and every game terran counters with rax expand and guess who's winning more games lately?

8rax/rax expand > 12 hatch.


I think you should play more BW. Because trust me, 12hat is the best thing you can actually do. And that is terrible statistics. Did you ever think that the mu might be slightly imba in favour of Terran, or just that Zergs are sucking in comparison to terrans recently?


I like the three hatch before pool opening way more than 12hatch.


lol....
Ofc you do, its the best econ build zerg can do, except its a gimmick build and is a intstant loss to any competent terran who goes rax first.

It's not safe at all, that's why it's used sparingly. 12hat/11pool for 3hat or 12hat/12gas for 2hat are the best and safest builds out there. If Zerg players mass 3hat before pool they are simply going to get crushed by terrans 8raxing and bbsing much more, and if you 9pool/3hat before pool every game, you'll simply get bbs'd in their main and lose, its not a viable build for a metagame and it's a gimmick.


I am not saying three hatch before pool should become a standard. But I wish zergs would start using it as often as terrans go 14cc nowadays.

All zergs do nowadays are 12hatches, it makes me sick. No variation at all, except the usual way superior zerg goes for early pool to prevent cheese from mediocre terran..


...
3hat before is still a 12hat build, and they dont do variation because it's so easy to die with pool first and 3hat before pool. And Terrans do not go for 14cc much anyways. There is not much variation in the builds zerg can do off a opening, and there is a reason for that, most of it is hard counterable, 12hat with a pool follow up is the safest variation out there.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
April 24 2010 09:53 GMT
#499
On April 24 2010 18:53 Zona wrote:
Oov talking to Fantasy in the waiting room
I wonder what he has to say about that sorry performance?

"At least we can blame it on the zerg imbalance this season."
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
POWEROUTAGE
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore884 Posts
April 24 2010 09:54 GMT
#500
Fantasy is HILARIOUSLY bad.
Stats. The new standard bearer of the protoss.
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