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Calm loses his natural hatchery.
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On April 07 2010 20:09 ArvickHero wrote:
..what... what is that on calm's face, like between his eyes??
Band-aid.
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On April 07 2010 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:55 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:48 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:45 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:41 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:35 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:31 darktreb wrote:On April 07 2010 19:29 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:21 darktreb wrote:On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote:
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but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this?
You answered your own question. Why would you choose to keep doing something that hasn't worked and you clearly don't feel comfortable with is a better question. If we take each of his bio losses on this map we can see that he didn't lost due to the things he is good at. As far as I remember he played vs some MBC? zerg, can't remember correctly and he lost due to poor building placement ( this was the game that ended his vs Z win streak ), he played vs zero? I belive and lost due to a scv blocking his turret building ( bad luck and not paying attention ) and then he lost to JD also when JD just had a better build order. He never lost to micro mistakes, he never lost because his m&m was weak and he didn't lose because his late game was shit on this map. It's all of course my opinion, but that's how I see things. Three different "bad luck" things don't just happen to happen on the same map in the same matchup unless your rhythm and/or game sense is off to some degree for that particular situation. To say that Flash should obviously "stick with what works" on a map that he was previously 3-3 on is pretty off. I'm sorry but I didn't say that all of his losses were bad luck, where did I say that? I just said that imo it was bad luck in his game vs zero and that's it. his game vs hyun he had terrible building placement and his game vs jd, jd had the better build order, props to him. that is why I don't get it why he ignored all his mistakes, instead of learning from them, and chose to go weird shit mech build with no timing attack whatsoever. So what if he did go mech, how do you know that if he went mnm that he would have beaten hyvaa? based of his record and how hes played each of those games, if going mech gives him the best chance of winning then wheres the problem in that? how do you know that going mech gives him the best chance of winning? clearly it's not. as for his last games where he went mech and won, show me the game where he played mech on match point and won, on the other hand I can show you the games where he went bio on match point and won. I can also show you equal ammount of games where flash has lost going bio Mech is what flash thought would give him the best chance of winning, if it wasnt why did he chose to do mech? It's not like he was in the booth and just decided that "hey it'd be fun to go mech tonight" yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen. Well i can safely say that if you think you've got a better chance going mech than bio its pretty obvious that your going to go mech, hence flash must have thought he would have a better chance as he went mech not bio You're also assuming that flash decided to do this to cover up some weakness of his, when in his previous games the factors that lead to his loss could easily be overcome, how don't you know that he and the coaches decided that going mech to change it up a little was the best choice?
Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write.
Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them.
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Clam just got smoked by Menthol.
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WHAT THE FUCK FLASH LOST TO A ZERG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!!!!!!!!!
Shoulda gone bio, its wat the cool kids do
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GJ Zero
Zero is 2-0 so far in this group and has good chances of qualifying, especially since the last member of the group is his easiest match.
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thank you calm, for breaking my LB streak...
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is flash going to play again today?
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On April 07 2010 20:18 tenacity wrote:
is flash going to play again today?
No but he will play tomorrow night in MSL, and that's at least 2 games from him
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FUUUUUUU NOT FUCK-KISS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On April 07 2010 20:14 fallingdream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:55 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:48 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:45 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:41 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:35 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:31 darktreb wrote:On April 07 2010 19:29 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:21 darktreb wrote:
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You answered your own question.
Why would you choose to keep doing something that hasn't worked and you clearly don't feel comfortable with is a better question. If we take each of his bio losses on this map we can see that he didn't lost due to the things he is good at. As far as I remember he played vs some MBC? zerg, can't remember correctly and he lost due to poor building placement ( this was the game that ended his vs Z win streak ), he played vs zero? I belive and lost due to a scv blocking his turret building ( bad luck and not paying attention ) and then he lost to JD also when JD just had a better build order. He never lost to micro mistakes, he never lost because his m&m was weak and he didn't lose because his late game was shit on this map. It's all of course my opinion, but that's how I see things. Three different "bad luck" things don't just happen to happen on the same map in the same matchup unless your rhythm and/or game sense is off to some degree for that particular situation. To say that Flash should obviously "stick with what works" on a map that he was previously 3-3 on is pretty off. I'm sorry but I didn't say that all of his losses were bad luck, where did I say that? I just said that imo it was bad luck in his game vs zero and that's it. his game vs hyun he had terrible building placement and his game vs jd, jd had the better build order, props to him. that is why I don't get it why he ignored all his mistakes, instead of learning from them, and chose to go weird shit mech build with no timing attack whatsoever. So what if he did go mech, how do you know that if he went mnm that he would have beaten hyvaa? based of his record and how hes played each of those games, if going mech gives him the best chance of winning then wheres the problem in that? how do you know that going mech gives him the best chance of winning? clearly it's not. as for his last games where he went mech and won, show me the game where he played mech on match point and won, on the other hand I can show you the games where he went bio on match point and won. I can also show you equal ammount of games where flash has lost going bio Mech is what flash thought would give him the best chance of winning, if it wasnt why did he chose to do mech? It's not like he was in the booth and just decided that "hey it'd be fun to go mech tonight" yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen. Well i can safely say that if you think you've got a better chance going mech than bio its pretty obvious that your going to go mech, hence flash must have thought he would have a better chance as he went mech not bio You're also assuming that flash decided to do this to cover up some weakness of his, when in his previous games the factors that lead to his loss could easily be overcome, how don't you know that he and the coaches decided that going mech to change it up a little was the best choice? Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write. Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them.
Match Point is like Blue Storm. If you have good mutalisk micro, you can sometimes kill bio terran with pure mutalisks. Flash thought mech would give him a better method of dealing with mutalisks and it kind of did but he got his goliaths trapped.
That one critical mistake and Flash was basically down 30 supply. I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about this loss. Other people have made mech work pretty well on Match Point so Flash probably thought that he might give it a go and who are we to judge the best terran in the world? I think if he wasn't so eager with killing off 12 o'clock, he would have been struggling at bit but overall fine.
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even i think this is really, really gay.
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so only Calm is 0-2 as of Day 3. Calm is fuxd.
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I don't know about the mech vs Bio debate here. I feel Flashs biggest mistake was to let his Goliath-force be trapped at 6 o'clock. He did not need to send all of them all the way down 2-3 could have taken out the hatchery while the overs would watch the entry with the help of sume Vultures
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