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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
April 07 2010 11:43 GMT
#541
nice, one cheesy terran beating the other one -_-
Brood War loyalist
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13074 Posts
April 07 2010 11:43 GMT
#542
that was too easy
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 07 2010 11:44 GMT
#543
On April 07 2010 20:43 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2010 20:36 Kwanroller wrote:
On April 07 2010 20:33 SkytoM wrote:
On April 07 2010 20:32 Jackal03 wrote:
On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote:
go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more.


how can you dislike the roflcopter pilot go.go?


because he beat bisu twice and threw him out of the OSL. thats why.


Bisu is obviously too much of a scrub to beat the Creator of Command Centers.

Forgg (red) going two port wraiths. Go.go (yellow) going two fact with proxy starport.


seeeeee how bad this guy is. makes me wanna cry


You should cry that your hero Kim Taek Yong can't even beat the Creator of Command Centers.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
April 07 2010 11:44 GMT
#544
On April 07 2010 20:20 Kwanroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2010 20:14 fallingdream wrote:
On April 07 2010 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:55 fallingdream wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:48 Scaramanga wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:45 fallingdream wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:41 Scaramanga wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:35 fallingdream wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:31 darktreb wrote:
On April 07 2010 19:29 fallingdream wrote:
[quote]

If we take each of his bio losses on this map we can see that he didn't lost due to the things he is good at. As far as I remember he played vs some MBC? zerg, can't remember correctly and he lost due to poor building placement ( this was the game that ended his vs Z win streak ), he played vs zero? I belive and lost due to a scv blocking his turret building ( bad luck and not paying attention ) and then he lost to JD also when JD just had a better build order. He never lost to micro mistakes, he never lost because his m&m was weak and he didn't lose because his late game was shit on this map. It's all of course my opinion, but that's how I see things.


Three different "bad luck" things don't just happen to happen on the same map in the same matchup unless your rhythm and/or game sense is off to some degree for that particular situation.

To say that Flash should obviously "stick with what works" on a map that he was previously 3-3 on is pretty off.


I'm sorry but I didn't say that all of his losses were bad luck, where did I say that? I just said that imo it was bad luck in his game vs zero and that's it. his game vs hyun he had terrible building placement and his game vs jd, jd had the better build order, props to him. that is why I don't get it why he ignored all his mistakes, instead of learning from them, and chose to go weird shit mech build with no timing attack whatsoever.

So what if he did go mech, how do you know that if he went mnm that he would have beaten hyvaa? based of his record and how hes played each of those games, if going mech gives him the best chance of winning then wheres the problem in that?


how do you know that going mech gives him the best chance of winning? clearly it's not. as for his last games where he went mech and won, show me the game where he played mech on match point and won, on the other hand I can show you the games where he went bio on match point and won.

I can also show you equal ammount of games where flash has lost going bio
Mech is what flash thought would give him the best chance of winning, if it wasnt why did he chose to do mech? It's not like he was in the booth and just decided that "hey it'd be fun to go mech tonight"


yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen.

Well i can safely say that if you think you've got a better chance going mech than bio its pretty obvious that your going to go mech, hence flash must have thought he would have a better chance as he went mech not bio
You're also assuming that flash decided to do this to cover up some weakness of his, when in his previous games the factors that lead to his loss could easily be overcome, how don't you know that he and the coaches decided that going mech to change it up a little was the best choice?


Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write.
Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them.


Match Point is like Blue Storm. If you have good mutalisk micro, you can sometimes kill bio terran with pure mutalisks. Flash thought mech would give him a better method of dealing with mutalisks and it kind of did but he got his goliaths trapped.

That one critical mistake and Flash was basically down 30 supply. I'm not sure why everyone is freaking out about this loss. Other people have made mech work pretty well on Match Point so Flash probably thought that he might give it a go and who are we to judge the best terran in the world? I think if he wasn't so eager with killing off 12 o'clock, he would have been struggling at bit but overall fine.


Yea. Let's look at how Flash lost his 3 games:
1. Vs Hyun...skimped turrets, got raped by mutas, almost made a comeback
2. Vs Zero..zero abuses the natural layout and owned Flash with mutas
3. Vs Jaedong..Flash doesn't build turrets in main
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 07 2010 11:45 GMT
#545
that was so fast that i almost missed it
BW is back
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 07 2010 11:45 GMT
#546
Yay, FOrgg!

I think Forgg will take Flash's place as the best player in the world pretty soon. It's a feeling I have.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
April 07 2010 11:46 GMT
#547
On April 07 2010 20:45 Holgerius wrote:
Yay, FOrgg!

I think Forgg will take Flash's place as the best player in the world pretty soon. It's a feeling I have.

Sorry, best player in the world is reserved for BaBy after he wins the MSL/OSL.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
FearDarkness
Profile Joined February 2009
United States519 Posts
April 07 2010 11:51 GMT
#548
Nice predictions from Boesthius .
Can't spell Voidrays without Idra
POWEROUTAGE
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore884 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 11:54:14
April 07 2010 11:53 GMT
#549
OP came from the future
Stats. The new standard bearer of the protoss.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 07 2010 12:02 GMT
#550
T-ara on OGN? Geesh, ever since Hyungjun did his show, so many kpop idols have jumped onto the gaming channel bandwagon. And to think Kara's Seungyeon whined about hosting MSL break.

Anyway, no doubt in my mind Flash will still advance from his group.

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
April 07 2010 12:13 GMT
#551
Bahahahahahaa Gosu predictions.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 07 2010 12:26 GMT
#552
Wowow!!

Forgg 2-0, Flash 1-1.

Forgg vs Flash in Ro8 is getting real. O.O
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
April 07 2010 12:26 GMT
#553
Match Point > (T)Flash more like.
POGGERS
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 07 2010 12:28 GMT
#554
0/4 liquidbet ftw
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
April 07 2010 12:40 GMT
#555
todays games just confirm that MBC should have sent hyun in the WL finals instead of a toss who never played a televised match
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 07 2010 12:43 GMT
#556
On April 07 2010 21:40 ilbh wrote:
todays games just confirm that MBC should have sent hyun in the WL finals instead of a toss who never played a televised match


No it doesn't what the hell are you talking about.
Ruff
Profile Joined August 2006
Kazakhstan179 Posts
April 07 2010 13:14 GMT
#557
Zero!
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
April 07 2010 13:24 GMT
#558
Wow as a Flash fan it feels so weird to see Flash lose Ah well it's nice to spice things up once in a while
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
din
Profile Joined October 2009
Hungary27 Posts
April 07 2010 13:30 GMT
#559
(T)Flash TvZ @ Match Point WinRate: 43%
Shitty map =)))
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 07 2010 13:31 GMT
#560
For the love of god, don't blame that map for Flash's loss. If you saw the game you saw that he had every chance to win and was outplayed. He didn't HAVE to go mech either.
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