On April 07 2010 20:22 Malinor wrote:
I don't know about the mech vs Bio debate here. I feel Flashs biggest mistake was to let his Goliath-force be trapped at 6 o'clock. He did not need to send all of them all the way down 2-3 could have taken out the hatchery while the overs would watch the entry with the help of sume Vultures

2-3 would have been easily picked off by mutas and hydras. when going mech, you must keep your forces together or risk losing them all.

Malinor

Germany4757 Posts

April 07 2010 11:27 GMT

#524

On April 07 2010 20:26 meegrean wrote:

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2-3 would have been easily picked off my mutas and hydras. when going mech, you must keep your forces together or risk losing them all.

Well, he lost them all. And ouf course, if the entry is guarded (by the rest of the Goliaths), no Hydra makes it through.

Ryo

8787 Posts

April 07 2010 11:28 GMT

#525

go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more.

Smix

United States4549 Posts

April 07 2010 11:29 GMT

#526

what?!?! flash!! T_T_T_T_T
and baby damnnn. not so young anymore.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

April 07 2010 11:29 GMT

#527

On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote:
go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more.

Dislike Forgg? How is that possible?

Kwanroller

Afghanistan459 Posts

April 07 2010 11:30 GMT

#528

lol Forgg and Go.go with basically the same stats.

JohnColtrane

Australia4813 Posts

April 07 2010 11:30 GMT

#529

On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote:
go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more.

go.go obv

monk

United States8477 Posts

April 07 2010 11:31 GMT

#530

What are these stats they're showing?

Jackal03

Brazil7469 Posts

April 07 2010 11:32 GMT

#531

On April 07 2010 20:28 Ryo wrote:
go.go v forgg, I can't decide who I dislike more.

how can you dislike the roflcopter pilot go.go?

SkytoM

Austria1137 Posts

April 07 2010 11:33 GMT

#532

On April 07 2010 20:32 Jackal03 wrote:

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how can you dislike the roflcopter pilot go.go?

because he beat bisu twice and threw him out of the OSL. thats why.

Scaramanga

Australia8093 Posts

April 07 2010 11:34 GMT

#533

On April 07 2010 20:14 fallingdream wrote:

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On April 07 2010 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:55 fallingdream wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:48 Scaramanga wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:45 fallingdream wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:41 Scaramanga wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:35 fallingdream wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:31 darktreb wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:29 fallingdream wrote:

On April 07 2010 19:21 darktreb wrote:
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You answered your own question.

Why would you choose to keep doing something that hasn't worked and you clearly don't feel comfortable with is a better question.

If we take each of his bio losses on this map we can see that he didn't lost due to the things he is good at. As far as I remember he played vs some MBC? zerg, can't remember correctly and he lost due to poor building placement ( this was the game that ended his vs Z win streak ), he played vs zero? I belive and lost due to a scv blocking his turret building ( bad luck and not paying attention ) and then he lost to JD also when JD just had a better build order. He never lost to micro mistakes, he never lost because his m&m was weak and he didn't lose because his late game was shit on this map. It's all of course my opinion, but that's how I see things.

Three different "bad luck" things don't just happen to happen on the same map in the same matchup unless your rhythm and/or game sense is off to some degree for that particular situation.

To say that Flash should obviously "stick with what works" on a map that he was previously 3-3 on is pretty off.

I'm sorry but I didn't say that all of his losses were bad luck, where did I say that? I just said that imo it was bad luck in his game vs zero and that's it. his game vs hyun he had terrible building placement and his game vs jd, jd had the better build order, props to him. that is why I don't get it why he ignored all his mistakes, instead of learning from them, and chose to go weird shit mech build with no timing attack whatsoever.

So what if he did go mech, how do you know that if he went mnm that he would have beaten hyvaa? based of his record and how hes played each of those games, if going mech gives him the best chance of winning then wheres the problem in that?

how do you know that going mech gives him the best chance of winning? clearly it's not. as for his last games where he went mech and won, show me the game where he played mech on match point and won, on the other hand I can show you the games where he went bio on match point and won.

I can also show you equal ammount of games where flash has lost going bio
Mech is what flash thought would give him the best chance of winning, if it wasnt why did he chose to do mech? It's not like he was in the booth and just decided that "hey it'd be fun to go mech tonight"

yes and I've said my peace regarding those 3 games he lost, I'm not going to rewrite them for the 3rd time, if you are interested you can search and see what I wrote for yourself. as for him thinking mech would give him the best chance of winning, I don't know, you don't know, no one knows why he chose to play mech, except him and his coaches. this is why I feel like, if him and his coaches feel like they are better off ignoring his mistakes instead of correcting them, then he deserves to lose and get eliminated. you have no idea how much I want flash to win another OSL and at the same time win MSL, but if that is their strategy, to hell with what happened let's try something new and stupid on that particular map, then so be it, but don't expect all of his fans to say "oh well shucks, shit happens". no, shit doesn't happen, he let it happen.

Well i can safely say that if you think you've got a better chance going mech than bio its pretty obvious that your going to go mech, hence flash must have thought he would have a better chance as he went mech not bio
You're also assuming that flash decided to do this to cover up some weakness of his, when in his previous games the factors that lead to his loss could easily be overcome, how don't you know that he and the coaches decided that going mech to change it up a little was the best choice?

Either I am talking to a brick wall or you just refuse to understand what I write.
Look, Flash had an array of strats and builds he could have used. Now, knowing his background on this particular map, he is 3-3 while going bio, we also know WHY he is 3-3 bio on this map. With all of these things considered, Flash and the coaches had to make a choice, they either learn from his mistakes and take into account the opposing player, and play standard, then we have the rest of his options and strats such as proxy rax, bunker rushes etc etc and going mech. They chose IN MY OPINION the worst option. Also because they chose that option, I feel like as a fan, and I may be the only one, I don't really care, he deserves to lose, because also imo, a player grows stronger by learning from past mistakes and does not simple ignore them.

Yeah thats great, you think that he should have gone bio and thats fine but im saying flash is going to have a better idea of what to do than you 100x over so you have no right to say that he deserves to be eliminated based of that

Kwanroller

Afghanistan459 Posts

April 07 2010 11:36 GMT

#534

On April 07 2010 20:33 SkytoM wrote:

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because he beat bisu twice and threw him out of the OSL. thats why.

Bisu is obviously too much of a scrub to beat the Creator of Command Centers.

Forgg (red) going two port wraiths. Go.go (yellow) going two fact with proxy starport.

Kwanroller

Afghanistan459 Posts

April 07 2010 11:43 GMT

#535

THE PRETENDER.

Basically Forgg blocks vulture harassment with a tank, a few marines, a few SCVs and kills all of Go.go's SCVs with a pack of wraiths. Hilariously scrappy game.

Jakalo

Latvia2350 Posts

April 07 2010 11:43 GMT

#536

Forgg! Almost there baby

SkytoM

Austria1137 Posts

April 07 2010 11:43 GMT

#537

On April 07 2010 20:36 Kwanroller wrote:

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Bisu is obviously too much of a scrub to beat the Creator of Command Centers.

Forgg (red) going two port wraiths. Go.go (yellow) going two fact with proxy starport.

seeeeee how bad this guy is. makes me wanna cry