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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
March 10 2010 16:48 GMT
#1401
motherfucking flash

sick shit. i find it fittign JD also gets a 3kill in the same night
Forever Young
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
March 10 2010 17:06 GMT
#1402
On March 11 2010 00:23 On_Slaught wrote:
Flash saves KT again.

It's JD oz all over again! Take Flash out and the way the rest of KT is playing and they would have trouble beating ACE.

Wonder what will happen when Flash starts preparing for SLs and wont be focusing entirely on PL.

Also, to all the bandwagon Flash fans throwing around the word Bonjwa are really diminishing the value of that word. Crushing fools in the PL isn't sufficient for this, otherwise Sea would be a bonjwa as well. What if he doesn't get a single SL title this year? There is a reason people have trouble keeping up such a high level of play.


No since KT gets a few random wins from their "deep" team KT isn't like Oz.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
March 10 2010 17:28 GMT
#1403
New ELO record, wow.
And I think KT is not just Flash. Yes they would have lost some matches without him, but Stats is really good and forGG is also coming back. They can use players like 815 and Tempest for some sniping and in theory luxury is also a good player. Of course there is also Violet who owned up proleague not too long ago. Right now Violet is disappointing, but I believe that he will get better again. Not going x-0, but solid 50-50 stats or so next round.
aka DTF-ZeRo
years
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Costa Rica216 Posts
March 10 2010 17:49 GMT
#1404
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!" Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 18:32:17
March 10 2010 18:31 GMT
#1405
On March 11 2010 02:06 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 00:23 On_Slaught wrote:
Flash saves KT again.

It's JD oz all over again! Take Flash out and the way the rest of KT is playing and they would have trouble beating ACE.

Wonder what will happen when Flash starts preparing for SLs and wont be focusing entirely on PL.

Also, to all the bandwagon Flash fans throwing around the word Bonjwa are really diminishing the value of that word. Crushing fools in the PL isn't sufficient for this, otherwise Sea would be a bonjwa as well. What if he doesn't get a single SL title this year? There is a reason people have trouble keeping up such a high level of play.


No since KT gets a few random wins from their "deep" team KT isn't like Oz.


Flash doesn't have by far the most PL wins because KT needs more than 3/4 wins to take a series. It's because he's forced to win a lot.

Also this doesn't do justice to how well Hiya has played this year and even Killer has gotten some wins in there.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
March 10 2010 18:47 GMT
#1406
On March 11 2010 02:49 years wrote:
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.


watch Flash games against Jaedong

Skyhigh managed to beat Flash twice in straight up games too.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
March 10 2010 22:02 GMT
#1407
On March 11 2010 03:47 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 02:49 years wrote:
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.


watch Flash games against Jaedong

Skyhigh managed to beat Flash twice in straight up games too.


LOL
compare FlaSh and Skyhigh...
some about their statistics in WL
FlaSh 16-2
Skyhigh 8-9
feel the difference.
SuperArc u are kill me
ROFL
Power is your Intelligence
Smokin_Squirrel
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Korea (South)674 Posts
March 10 2010 22:03 GMT
#1408
Seriously, when can we start using the B- word?
Running is the essence of battle
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
March 10 2010 22:05 GMT
#1409
when flash double SL's next season
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 22:58:05
March 10 2010 22:57 GMT
#1410
On March 11 2010 07:02 Fx_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 03:47 SuperArc wrote:
On March 11 2010 02:49 years wrote:
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.


watch Flash games against Jaedong

Skyhigh managed to beat Flash twice in straight up games too.


LOL
compare FlaSh and Skyhigh...
some about their statistics in WL
FlaSh 16-2
Skyhigh 8-9
feel the difference.
SuperArc u are kill me
ROFL


are you dumb?

did he say skyhigh is as good a player as flash?
it was a direct answer to flash being "invulnerable" excluding cheese, so what the fuck is the point of your post

On March 11 2010 07:05 dekuschrub wrote:
when flash double SL's next season


then he will sure as hell deserve it
beep boop
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
March 10 2010 23:15 GMT
#1411
On March 11 2010 07:57 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 07:02 Fx_ wrote:
On March 11 2010 03:47 SuperArc wrote:
On March 11 2010 02:49 years wrote:
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.


watch Flash games against Jaedong

Skyhigh managed to beat Flash twice in straight up games too.


LOL
compare FlaSh and Skyhigh...
some about their statistics in WL
FlaSh 16-2
Skyhigh 8-9
feel the difference.
SuperArc u are kill me
ROFL


are you dumb?

did he say skyhigh is as good a player as flash?
it was a direct answer to flash being "invulnerable" excluding cheese, so what the fuck is the point of your post

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 07:05 dekuschrub wrote:
when flash double SL's next season


then he will sure as hell deserve it

sigh. the only Bonjwa to double SL was Nada, and in his time they were so far apart. The other Bonjwa's never achieved it... why has it become A NECESSITY for flash? And Nada wasn't ever "dominant" compared to Savior's era... it seems like for a new Bonjwa, you have to win double SL as Nada, be as dominant as Savior, AND beat your rival in one of the finals. sigh. good luck, 17-year-old teenager.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
March 10 2010 23:17 GMT
#1412
On March 11 2010 08:15 Wings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 07:57 7mk wrote:
On March 11 2010 07:02 Fx_ wrote:
On March 11 2010 03:47 SuperArc wrote:
On March 11 2010 02:49 years wrote:
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.


watch Flash games against Jaedong

Skyhigh managed to beat Flash twice in straight up games too.


LOL
compare FlaSh and Skyhigh...
some about their statistics in WL
FlaSh 16-2
Skyhigh 8-9
feel the difference.
SuperArc u are kill me
ROFL


are you dumb?

did he say skyhigh is as good a player as flash?
it was a direct answer to flash being "invulnerable" excluding cheese, so what the fuck is the point of your post

On March 11 2010 07:05 dekuschrub wrote:
when flash double SL's next season


then he will sure as hell deserve it

sigh. the only Bonjwa to double SL was Nada, and in his time they were so far apart. The other Bonjwa's never achieved it... why has it become A NECESSITY for flash? And Nada wasn't ever "dominant" compared to Savior's era... it seems like for a new Bonjwa, you have to win double SL as Nada, be as dominant as Savior, AND beat your rival in one of the finals. sigh. good luck, 17-year-old teenager.


I didn't say it was a requirement
beep boop
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
March 10 2010 23:55 GMT
#1413
There's no requirement. It's just a sense of perception and mystique around the player. Flash certainly has star sense that rivals or even defeats savior and he's got CLOSE to an invincibility aura -- he had the true bonjwa invincibility aura going into the MSL Finals but Jaedong took him 1-1 impressively until that game 3 fiasco started, so now Flash has to rebuild and he's doing so incredibly.
Remember Violet.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
March 11 2010 00:53 GMT
#1414
On March 11 2010 01:48 sung_moon wrote:
motherfucking flash

sick shit. i find it fittign JD also gets a 3kill in the same night


I wholeheartedly agree. Both JD and Flash on my FPL => JIZZZZ
:)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 02:05:48
March 11 2010 02:01 GMT
#1415
On March 11 2010 00:23 On_Slaught wrote:
Flash saves KT again.

It's JD oz all over again! Take Flash out and the way the rest of KT is playing and they would have trouble beating ACE.

Wonder what will happen when Flash starts preparing for SLs and wont be focusing entirely on PL.

Also, to all the bandwagon Flash fans throwing around the word Bonjwa are really diminishing the value of that word. Crushing fools in the PL isn't sufficient for this, otherwise Sea would be a bonjwa as well. What if he doesn't get a single SL title this year? There is a reason people have trouble keeping up such a high level of play.


He already got an SL title this year, hell he made it to the finals in both leagues where he won and had a controversial loss. And before that double title he was raping everyone all the way through both tournaments and went 22-3 in PL. Now he's continued destroying into a second season with a WL performance that's mind blowingly impressive (moreso for Gameplay, since Light trumps him on wins).

And an entirely different rant for you calling KT equivalent to Oz:

Stats rules and the rest of KT has been performing pretty well since the start of this PL season, despite Violet and Luxury's recent stumbles. Flash has had to bail them out recently (And started off with a 3 kill once, admittedly, but didn't bail them out there just did his thing) a couple of times against SKT and now STX, but he actually had a huge lack of wins early on because KT was doing so good. He literally just averaged 1 win a game in regular PL -- 22 wins in 22 games. Admittedly, that's by far the highest win rate, but he only had that few because of how often they didn't force him to play ace games.

For the most part, KT won their R1 and R2 games before ace. It's why their match differential was +20 when the second highest, STX, was at +9 -- they finished it up 3-0 and 3-1 more than anyone. As a matter of fact, KT only needed Flash to win a regular game and an ace game once last season, against the aforementioned STX.

Hell, let me show you something. Flash lost 3 times in regular PL. Once to Best, once to Hyun, and once to Really. In 2 of those 3 games, KT picked up 2 wins and allowed Flash to make up for his losses by beating their ace players (Fantasy when he lost to Best, Sea when he lost to Hyun). The loss to really and Estro was admittedly a bit rough but KT only lost 5 times in lieu of Flash, and that's pretty damn impressive. Hell, Flash only played 3 ace games in both R1 and R2 combined, despite KT obviously going to ace more than that. Guess what? KT was 5-0 in ace games, 3-0 from Flash (Fantasy, Calm, Sea) and, go figure, 2-0 from Violet (Leta and Mind). Not quite as strong but legit none the less.

I know I'm coming off as a blind, ranting KT fanboy, but one thing I do know about is how goddamn good KT is and when I see someone dismiss the entire team that, if you took Flash out of the equation, still has a +10 winning ratio against other teams in the regular season (And would've therefore been a 3rd place team without Flash, maybe a little less), I say to hell with you for not knowing a damn thing about my team. If you take Flash off this team and put him on STX/MBC/Woongjing, or hell, any of the other 5 teams in playoff contention, those teams WOULD be #1. But KT would almost certainly be in playoff contention still. KT without Flash is still in the upper half of teams, with Flash they're like 26-5 with a +42 wins.

RANT CONCLUDED

on the bright side I'm kind of happy now because talking about how awesome KT is is really enjoyable.
Remember Violet.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
March 11 2010 02:15 GMT
#1416
TwoTone for speaker of the house (of KT)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
March 11 2010 02:33 GMT
#1417
a third of my posts are KT rants, I'm totally qualified.
Remember Violet.
POWEROUTAGE
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore884 Posts
March 11 2010 02:54 GMT
#1418
After re-reading the entire LR, I feel this post sums up the general sentiments ITT:

On March 10 2010 16:10 Zona wrote:
Flash building a supply depot. It's already over - there's nothing Calm can do to catch up to flash's build.

Stats. The new standard bearer of the protoss.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
March 11 2010 04:30 GMT
#1419
Oh man TwoToneTerran. You just posted what every KT fan has in their mind but is afraid/lazy/whatever reason didnt post it. much love!

@On_Slaught, I know your exaggerating but we did beat ACE without Flash. Maybe "JD Oz" could beat Ace too because they have JD and... oh wait.
Woo Jung Ho
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 11 2010 21:12 GMT
#1420
Flash is ridiculous
cw)minsean(ru
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