[SWL] KT Rolster vs STX SouL - Page 72

On March 11 2010 02:49 years wrote:
I actually would like to see Flash loose, not to see him loose, but to see someone else bring the level of play really high up.

This excludes most cheeses, but seems like the man is invulnerable to those too, so seeing a well executed cheese that can catch him off guard would me impressive.

On March 11 2010 11:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:


He already got an SL title this year, hell he made it to the finals in both leagues where he won and had a controversial loss. And before that double title he was raping everyone all the way through both tournaments and went 22-3 in PL. Now he's continued destroying into a second season with a WL performance that's mind blowingly impressive (moreso for Gameplay, since Light trumps him on wins).

And an entirely different rant for you calling KT equivalent to Oz:

Stats rules and the rest of KT has been performing pretty well since the start of this PL season, despite Violet and Luxury's recent stumbles. Flash has had to bail them out recently (And started off with a 3 kill once, admittedly, but didn't bail them out there just did his thing) a couple of times against SKT and now STX, but he actually had a huge lack of wins early on because KT was doing so good. He literally just averaged 1 win a game in regular PL -- 22 wins in 22 games. Admittedly, that's by far the highest win rate, but he only had that few because of how often they didn't force him to play ace games.

For the most part, KT won their R1 and R2 games before ace. It's why their match differential was +20 when the second highest, STX, was at +9 -- they finished it up 3-0 and 3-1 more than anyone. As a matter of fact, KT only needed Flash to win a regular game and an ace game once last season, against the aforementioned STX.

Hell, let me show you something. Flash lost 3 times in regular PL. Once to Best, once to Hyun, and once to Really. In 2 of those 3 games, KT picked up 2 wins and allowed Flash to make up for his losses by beating their ace players (Fantasy when he lost to Best, Sea when he lost to Hyun). The loss to really and Estro was admittedly a bit rough but KT only lost 5 times in lieu of Flash, and that's pretty damn impressive. Hell, Flash only played 3 ace games in both R1 and R2 combined, despite KT obviously going to ace more than that. Guess what? KT was 5-0 in ace games, 3-0 from Flash (Fantasy, Calm, Sea) and, go figure, 2-0 from Violet (Leta and Mind). Not quite as strong but legit none the less.

I know I'm coming off as a blind, ranting KT fanboy, but one thing I do know about is how goddamn good KT is and when I see someone dismiss the entire team that, if you took Flash out of the equation, still has a +10 winning ratio against other teams in the regular season (And would've therefore been a 3rd place team without Flash, maybe a little less), I say to hell with you for not knowing a damn thing about my team. If you take Flash off this team and put him on STX/MBC/Woongjing, or hell, any of the other 5 teams in playoff contention, those teams WOULD be #1. But KT would almost certainly be in playoff contention still. KT without Flash is still in the upper half of teams, with Flash they're like 26-5 with a +42 wins.

RANT CONCLUDED

on the bright side I'm kind of happy now because talking about how awesome KT is is really enjoyable.

On March 12 2010 07:06 dukethegold wrote:
I remember this statistics that was posted in the BW section sometime ago. It basically calculated the win rate from each team's ACE players in order to determine which team is the true "One Man Team".

Surprisingly enough, it wasn't Oz. It was KTF. Without Flash, KTF would be as bad as Estro last proleague season.

In R1 of this season, even without Flash, KT would have managed due to the revival of Luxury and Violet's reliability. But now, ForGG and Stats are their best non-Flash players, lol.

The only reason KT is standing at the top is because Flash is just killing everything.

Remember that KT almost got AK by Hyuk? End of discussion.

On March 12 2010 06:42 SuperArc wrote:


KT without Flash in the top6? hahaha

On March 12 2010 07:12 Wings wrote:
Flash-less KT is good... sometimes. Seriously, the almost AK's by Hyuk and Shuttle (though Shuttle played pretty sick) make me really believe that Flash is back into child labor, almost as bad as how JD carried Oz several months back.

But seriously. I don't remember JD owning this much in winner's league. I think Flash should make his own team, Tieam Flash (because there most definitely is an "i" in team). And I BET that team would be ranked #1 by the end of the season. Tieam Jaedong would be vulnerable to an unlucky ZvZ...

On March 12 2010 08:06 PiePie wrote:


Also vulnerable to bird of prey like Storks or Elves

On March 12 2010 09:47 jalstar wrote:


I think your opinion might be a bit Sky High if you Really think that.

M18M

(do you guys pronounce it M-one-eight-M or M-eighteen-M?)

On March 12 2010 11:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If Flash was asked "Who is the best player?" He would probably say Jaedong followed by himself.

On March 12 2010 11:54 Harem wrote:

He already has too.

Q: We’re curious to see which player you think is the best out of the four.
Flash: I have always thought Jaedong was the best; even today. He’s the best skill-wise, and has achieved so much during his career. However, nothing lasts forever, and any one of us could turn out to be even better. I think very highly of Bisu and Jaedong, but nowadays I lean more towards Jaedong.

It's a pretty silly argument to make anyways with how much these two respect each other.

On March 12 2010 09:47 jalstar wrote:


I think your opinion might be a bit Sky High if you Really think that.

M18M

(do you guys pronounce it M-one-eight-M or M-eighteen-M?)

On March 12 2010 07:02 revy wrote:
KT is +42 and Flash is 38-5 = +33.

That puts KT at +9 without Flash which roughly ranks in at 5th. This isn't a foolproof metric but I think it shows KT would've done okay without Flash this year. They would've done well in R1 but lousy since then I think.

Oh twotone said that already.. ignore this then.