EPTKT's got a ridiculous lead because Flash is way better than all the other aces and KT is generally better than all the other teams. If it was all about Flash being the best player then KT would've been in 3rd seed last season behind SKT1 and Oz because he was just as good as those 2 aces -- the best by a lot -- but that's not the case. The New KT is why KT is awesome, Flash is just a New Flash as well.
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
KT's got a ridiculous lead because Flash is way better than all the other aces and KT is generally better than all the other teams. If it was all about Flash being the best player then KT would've been in 3rd seed last season behind SKT1 and Oz because he was just as good as those 2 aces -- the best by a lot -- but that's not the case. The New KT is why KT is awesome, Flash is just a New Flash as well. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
1. you have to account for the fact that flash plays at the end of wl matches and pl ace matches, thus giving him the hardest opponents. if flash was gone, kt would be in trouble because they have no solid ace player. whereas woongjin still has free after zero, stx has kal after calm, oz still has hiya after jaedong, etc. if flash wins a match against a top player, you can't just take away +1 game differentials from kt's "record," because that would be assuming kt would still have a 50-50 shot at winning without flash. you would need to take away like 1.8 game differentials for every flash win 2. flash not playing would force kt to give a slot to one of their worse <50% winrate 3. flash winning everything helps team moral and momentum 4. violets sucks excluding one round each season, forgg and stats are only good in one matchup, and luxury sucks 90% of the time kt is the new hwaseung oz-except flash is better than jaedong and hiya is better than the rest of kt. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On March 12 2010 12:39 dani_caliKorea wrote: KT does not have a solid "2nd" ace though. STX got Kal, Woongjin got Kwanro/Free. MBC has Sea Depends on what part of the season you're talking about. Violet won 2 ace games and beat strong players otherwise(Against Mind and Leta, Beat Sea in the regular games etc) in R1 where Flash won 3. in WL when Flash got sniped by Skyhigh, Stats picked up after him and beat both Skyhigh and Effort. Lux sniped Zero, Hoejja cleaned up after Khan, etc. KT doesn't have a single secondary ace player, but a lot of different people who can fulfill the role given the players' conditions and which match up it is. Kind of like Wemade but a little better. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Every other team that's doing marginally well has someone who's 3kill/allkilled multiple times. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
On March 12 2010 12:41 TwoToneTerran wrote: It's not manipulating statistics. KT's non-ace players win more often than other team's non ace players. Not by a lot, though! 1 more than MBC, 4 more than STX and 8 more than Woongjin is FAAAAAR off from the 24 over STX, 20 over MBC, and 29 over Woongjin that they're currently at. That difference is all Flash. KT owes a whooooole lot to Flash but they're still a decent team by all rights. Depends on what part of the season you're talking about. Violet won 2 ace games(Against Sea and Leta, so not like he was just picking on weak players) in R1 where Flash won 3. in WL when Flash got sniped by Skyhigh, Stats picked up after him and beat both Skyhigh and Effort. Lux sniped Zero, Hoejja cleaned up after Khan, etc. KT doesn't have a single secondary ace player, but a lot of different people who can fulfill the role given the players' conditions and which match up it is. Kind of like Wemade but a little better. KTs non ace players win more than other teams non ace because there isnt a guy called Flash killing everyone (everyone doesn't apply to KT, see where Im going with this?) Flash's wins alone like are greater than some teams combined. Each time he gets a win, someone else gets a loss, its a 2 point difference. +1 for flash -1 for whoever he beat. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
That's not my point though. My point is that, despite Flash being god incarnate, he isn't the sole reason KT is #1. He's the best reason, same thing with Jaedong and Oz in the 08 season, but that's like saying Oz didn't have ForGG and Anytime in 07 when they won, which they did, despite Jaedong being amazing. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
On March 12 2010 12:51 sob3k wrote: Just made this... LOL THIS IS AMAZING. Great work! Anyway, I don't get why people bring up the "without Flash KT sucks" argument. Every team WOULD suck without their ace player. Moreover if you have a player of Flash's calibre not making full use of him is criminal. That said, KT has players who pull their own weight and lend their strength to being the supporting cast, like Luxury, Violet, ForGG and Stats like TTT has mentioned. And the incredible thing is, whenever a player slumps ie. Lux and Violet right now, the others like Stats and ForGG can step up and bear some of the burden. And that is not accounting for the snipers like 815 and Hoejja. | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On March 11 2010 07:57 7mk wrote: are you dumb? did he say skyhigh is as good a player as flash? it was a direct answer to flash being "invulnerable" excluding cheese, so what the fuck is the point of your post then he will sure as hell deserve it Man? u are fuckin serious  Just relax... | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On March 12 2010 13:03 POWEROUTAGE wrote: LOL THIS IS AMAZING. Great work! Anyway, I don't get why people bring up the "without Flash KT sucks" argument. Every team WOULD suck without their ace player. Moreover if you have a player of Flash's calibre not making full use of him is criminal. That said, KT has players who pull their own weight and lend their strength to being the supporting cast, like Luxury, Violet, ForGG and Stats like TTT has mentioned. And the incredible thing is, whenever a player slumps ie. Lux and Violet right now, the others like Stats and ForGG can step up and bear some of the burden. And that is not accounting for the snipers like 815 and Hoejja. LOL  | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
ROFL never seen it before. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1600 Posts
On March 10 2010 16:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: It just showed the VOD were you not watching? Interesting in his interview he stated exactly what I said happened. Oh well everyone can be wrong sometimes. But try backing up your argument with facts. Perhaps like saying if you thought he used scan originally before he built the second bunker. Then you wouldn't seem like a dick basically saying. No you're wrong. | ||
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