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DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
January 24 2010 23:12 GMT
#4481
Give me a break.

I am so sick of hearing that flash was "mentally off" in game 4.

These guys prepare their strats in practice the week before.

Regardless of his mindset, an overpool against 7 rax gave jaedong the advantage which he never surrendered.

I am a flash fan, and JD looked like the superior player in every game of the series.

If it weren't for some excellent dropship play in game 2, JD would have won 3-0. Power outage or no power outage.
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Shattered
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States267 Posts
January 25 2010 00:12 GMT
#4482
anyone know what some of those songs playing on roffles stream were?

in particular the tik tok parody about jaedong and the other one with like some little girl voice singing and then like the rapper voice lol ?
CJ entus fighting
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 25 2010 01:03 GMT
#4483
On January 24 2010 23:41 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 16:42 prototype. wrote:
On January 24 2010 16:27 tomatriedes wrote:
The heater was a Flash fanboy, he couldn't stand to see Flash losing.

naa, a flash fanboy would think flash was actually going to win


So you're saying flash fanboys are delusional?

that seems about right... it might just be that i have a negative image on fanboys as a whole, not just flash fanboys, i dunno =\
( ・´ー・`)
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
January 25 2010 01:09 GMT
#4484
On January 25 2010 08:12 DJONES wrote:
Give me a break.

I am so sick of hearing that flash was "mentally off" in game 4.

These guys prepare their strats in practice the week before.

Regardless of his mindset, an overpool against 7 rax gave jaedong the advantage which he never surrendered.

I am a flash fan, and JD looked like the superior player in every game of the series.

If it weren't for some excellent dropship play in game 2, JD would have won 3-0. Power outage or no power outage.


I dont give a shit if you are a flash fan.

How about you go to a tournament, and have anyone rooting for you taken away by security or leave, etc etc, and see how it affects you.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
January 25 2010 01:15 GMT
#4485
On January 25 2010 08:12 DJONES wrote:
Give me a break.

I am so sick of hearing that flash was "mentally off" in game 4.

These guys prepare their strats in practice the week before.

Regardless of his mindset, an overpool against 7 rax gave jaedong the advantage which he never surrendered.

I am a flash fan, and JD looked like the superior player in every game of the series.

If it weren't for some excellent dropship play in game 2, JD would have won 3-0. Power outage or no power outage.

Give me a break.

I am so tired of retarded idiots like you thinking that the entire incident should have no effect on a 17-year old kid. It's as clear as day that Flash played like absolute shit that game as a direct result of the prior events.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 25 2010 01:16 GMT
#4486
On January 25 2010 10:09 RoieTRS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 08:12 DJONES wrote:
Give me a break.

I am so sick of hearing that flash was "mentally off" in game 4.

These guys prepare their strats in practice the week before.

Regardless of his mindset, an overpool against 7 rax gave jaedong the advantage which he never surrendered.

I am a flash fan, and JD looked like the superior player in every game of the series.

If it weren't for some excellent dropship play in game 2, JD would have won 3-0. Power outage or no power outage.


I dont give a shit if you are a flash fan.

How about you go to a tournament, and have anyone rooting for you taken away by security or leave, etc etc, and see how it affects you.

After having been a professional player for years and even won championships? It certainly wouldn't affect me much.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
January 25 2010 01:19 GMT
#4487
On January 25 2010 10:16 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 10:09 RoieTRS wrote:
On January 25 2010 08:12 DJONES wrote:
Give me a break.

I am so sick of hearing that flash was "mentally off" in game 4.

These guys prepare their strats in practice the week before.

Regardless of his mindset, an overpool against 7 rax gave jaedong the advantage which he never surrendered.

I am a flash fan, and JD looked like the superior player in every game of the series.

If it weren't for some excellent dropship play in game 2, JD would have won 3-0. Power outage or no power outage.


I dont give a shit if you are a flash fan.

How about you go to a tournament, and have anyone rooting for you taken away by security or leave, etc etc, and see how it affects you.

After having been a professional player for years and even won championships? It certainly wouldn't affect me much.

not only this it wasn't a shitty play. it was a build order disadvantage thats all. I knew flash was going to 8 rax at least once. Or at least i felt 90 percent certainty. The build i think was preplanned and that is all there is to it
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 25 2010 02:04 GMT
#4488
you guys are probably making a bigger deal than JaeDong and even flash himself lol. im not happy with the results but no matter how much we bitch and argue nothings going to change
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 25 2010 02:04 GMT
#4489
You do Flash no justice by constantly casting pity on him for being put in a "tough" situation. He knew that if he won those two last games he would of been a legend for all time. How is that pressure much different than the pressure of winning two SLs within a week of eachother?

He likely had that strat prepared from the start, and considering what JD went, it likely would of been a beatdown either way.
Picture
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada75 Posts
January 25 2010 02:12 GMT
#4490
Obviously Flash might have prepared that 7 rax. But you honestly think the normal Flash would build a second rax? Let a ling slip in his base? Attempt that ridiculous sunken break?
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 25 2010 02:32 GMT
#4491
On January 25 2010 11:12 Picture wrote:
Obviously Flash might have prepared that 7 rax. But you honestly think the normal Flash would build a second rax? Let a ling slip in his base? Attempt that ridiculous sunken break?

He played pretty average in game1 too... it just happens.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 25 2010 02:32 GMT
#4492
On January 25 2010 11:12 Picture wrote:
Obviously Flash might have prepared that 7 rax. But you honestly think the normal Flash would build a second rax? Let a ling slip in his base? Attempt that ridiculous sunken break?


Everybody makes mistakes even jaedong/flash. Even if that outage hadn't happened and he did what he did it probably would have happened if he planned it like that. But you will never know nor will I no point in even arguing about that.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-25 03:14:44
January 25 2010 03:07 GMT
#4493
On January 25 2010 11:04 We Are Here wrote:
you guys are probably making a bigger deal than JaeDong and even flash himself lol. im not happy with the results but no matter how much we bitch and argue nothings going to change


Because Starcraft fans are literally children who will bicker and moan to protect the honour of their favourite player.

The sheer amount of whinging, fanboyism, and maliciousness produced by the fans is why eSports will always been looked upon as a joke by just about everyone else.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
January 25 2010 03:23 GMT
#4494
On January 25 2010 12:07 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 11:04 We Are Here wrote:
you guys are probably making a bigger deal than JaeDong and even flash himself lol. im not happy with the results but no matter how much we bitch and argue nothings going to change


Because Starcraft fans are literally children who will bicker and moan to protect the honour of their favourite player.

The sheer amount of whinging, fanboyism, and maliciousness produced by the fans is why eSports will always been looked upon as a joke by just about everyone else.



and the bicker and moaning doesn't happen with real sports? lol?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
January 25 2010 03:27 GMT
#4495
On January 25 2010 12:07 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 11:04 We Are Here wrote:
you guys are probably making a bigger deal than JaeDong and even flash himself lol. im not happy with the results but no matter how much we bitch and argue nothings going to change


Because Starcraft fans are literally children who will bicker and moan to protect the honour of their favourite player.

The sheer amount of whinging, fanboyism, and maliciousness produced by the fans is why eSports will always been looked upon as a joke by just about everyone else.


Do you ever watch any real sports? Because they do the exact same shit.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-25 03:35:52
January 25 2010 03:30 GMT
#4496
On January 25 2010 12:23 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:07 Womwomwom wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:04 We Are Here wrote:
you guys are probably making a bigger deal than JaeDong and even flash himself lol. im not happy with the results but no matter how much we bitch and argue nothings going to change


Because Starcraft fans are literally children who will bicker and moan to protect the honour of their favourite player.

The sheer amount of whinging, fanboyism, and maliciousness produced by the fans is why eSports will always been looked upon as a joke by just about everyone else.



and the bicker and moaning doesn't happen with real sports? lol?


Not in the style I see on Teamliquid that's for sure. Seriously, the Ro8 OSL LR thread is literally one of the most shameful threads I have ever read on the internet and makes the whole community look retarded.

On January 25 2010 12:27 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:07 Womwomwom wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:04 We Are Here wrote:
you guys are probably making a bigger deal than JaeDong and even flash himself lol. im not happy with the results but no matter how much we bitch and argue nothings going to change


Because Starcraft fans are literally children who will bicker and moan to protect the honour of their favourite player.

The sheer amount of whinging, fanboyism, and maliciousness produced by the fans is why eSports will always been looked upon as a joke by just about everyone else.


Do you ever watch any real sports? Because they do the exact same shit.


I watch tennis and generally the people are generally pretty good to talk with besides the occasional whinge about Nadal's (or really any mainly clay court player) play style and so forth. I figure its because the people who post such complaints aren't filled to the brim with impotent nerdrage that such criticism about a player's playstyle isn't frustrating to read.
Raydog
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States632 Posts
January 25 2010 03:34 GMT
#4497
on a less QQ worst finals ever note...

I love korean commentators & fans, yet i am confused to what they say haha

What is the countdown korean fans shout right before a game?

and

I always hear the commentators going "mmyeh" or something like that.. i always get a kick out of it. I think they are just agreeing with eachother?
Shew
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
January 25 2010 03:36 GMT
#4498
On January 25 2010 08:00 Sily wrote:
If kespa were smart enough they would have continued the rounds without giving out their decision so that they would not cause any so called "psychological advantage". This would have kept the two players concentration at the point it should have been until the end and even if the decision would have been unfair, I'm sure the matches would have developed on another pattern. Anyway, it would have been at least decent do to so ...


wat
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37122 Posts
January 25 2010 03:45 GMT
#4499
I am not looking to piss off anyone or have anyone think I'm stupid but I honestly don't see why everyone is so angry that MBC/Kespa postponed game 4. Within such a controversial situation like that one it would've been so much worse for MBC to just proceed on with game 4 and not listen to parents/coaches. Otherwise, then the coaches/parents would've probably ended up creating an even bigger reaction and thus, the situation could potentially have gotten 10x worse. Imagine if you are a parent, your kid is in the finals, the opponent is given the win, and then the people in charge decided not to listen to what you have to say. If I were the parent, I'd be beyond furious. I just honestly think the right thing for them to do was to listen to what the coaches/parents had to say.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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ppgButtercup
Profile Joined July 2009
United States159 Posts
January 25 2010 03:56 GMT
#4500
After watching and reading over everything, I really think everything went the way it should have given the situation.

The only thing I thought was ridiculous was KT throwing a bitch-fit -- I can understand his Dad being angry...

Anyways. Jaedong played downright amazingly. I really thought he had game 2 as well. Honestly, I think Flash was just too worn out to beat one of the best players of all time. The tournament was always in Jaedong's favor. The power outage was just unnecessary drama. The results would have been the same either way even if the way they got there had been slightly different.
If at first you do not succeed, burn everything and pretend it never happened.
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