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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 24 2010 04:40 GMT
#4441
does this msl deserve a writeup?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
January 24 2010 04:42 GMT
#4442
Is there a recording of that?

Im intrigued now...
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
r0yale
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States51 Posts
January 24 2010 05:20 GMT
#4443
TOTAL BULLSHIT they should not have given flash the game but instead done a REMATCH because as he has shown with his game against Hyun on match point, he excells late game!
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
January 24 2010 05:40 GMT
#4444
Thats what happens when you have a whole new setup for gameplay and try it for the first time in the most important match of the tournament. Really really bad planning... and to think, that the audience didn't even get to see them playing but on a big screen.

I'd be leaving early too.

I was hoping JD would just GG at the very start of game 4 to make it a game 5 for all the marbles. That would have been so fucking cool.

Epic fail by MBC. Very sad.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
January 24 2010 06:00 GMT
#4445
i thought JD had a pretty clear advantage in the 3rd game. and i thought flash was having an off day in general (or maybe he was affected by JD mentally who knows). but overall i'm disappointed with the series :/
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 24 2010 06:02 GMT
#4446
On January 24 2010 14:20 r0yale wrote:
TOTAL BULLSHIT they should not have given flash the game but instead done a REMATCH because as he has shown with his game against Hyun on match point, he excells late game!


And Jaedong doesn't?

If it was Flash vs. some no namer zerg, outrage would be more widespread

but this is jaedong

jae fucking dong

But I think a rematch would have been fun to watch
Hey! Listen!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 24 2010 07:27 GMT
#4447
The heater was a Flash fanboy, he couldn't stand to see Flash losing.
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
January 24 2010 07:39 GMT
#4448
I really looked forward to this finals. I wasn't home to watch it live so when I got home, I was pretty shocked at the results. I rooted for Flash because of his recent perfomance and his monsterous TvZ. To be honest, I don't really like Jaedong because he plays zerg.

Anyhow, this finals couldn't have ended any other way. Flash looked so unstoppable and it appeared that Jaedong could be the only one who could stand in his way.

Flash fans will loaf over the free win to Jaedong in game 3 and always have in mind that Flash is better had it not been that way while Jaedong fans would say that Jaedong is still the best. However, there is no clear answer as to who is better from this finals. I guess this is what happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4200 Posts
January 24 2010 07:42 GMT
#4449
On January 24 2010 16:27 tomatriedes wrote:
The heater was a Flash fanboy, he couldn't stand to see Flash losing.

naa, a flash fanboy would think flash was actually going to win
( ・´ー・`)
Noah
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway164 Posts
January 24 2010 12:33 GMT
#4450
They should have replayed the finals at 2-1 to Jaedong in a week. Flash didn't lose more than 2 games in that set, and its quite clear that he was fucked in game 4 after something like this. Those two reasons combined should warrant atleast some regames.

I want to angrily fuck that Kespa ref! >
yushis1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States9 Posts
January 24 2010 12:43 GMT
#4451
On January 24 2010 21:33 Noah wrote:
They should have replayed the finals at 2-1 to Jaedong in a week. Flash didn't lose more than 2 games in that set, and its quite clear that he was fucked in game 4 after something like this. Those two reasons combined should warrant atleast some regames.

I want to angrily fuck that Kespa ref! >




They should have just held off on making a decision on game 3.

Play game 4 and 5, and if one player wins both games, the series ends 3-1!

Now you've just avoided most of the controversy with your excellent referee skills!



While game 4 and 5 are being played, get your crack team of experts together and review game 3. Whether you replay it or call the game, you at least had more time to gather information.

Someone could still say that, for example, if JD won game 4, and Flash won game 5, that's not fair to JD, who would have ended it in 4 games. But it's a much more defensible decision in my opinion, when weighted against the balance of the other options.
yushis1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States9 Posts
January 24 2010 13:04 GMT
#4452
On January 24 2010 21:43 yushis1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 21:33 Noah wrote:
They should have replayed the finals at 2-1 to Jaedong in a week. Flash didn't lose more than 2 games in that set, and its quite clear that he was fucked in game 4 after something like this. Those two reasons combined should warrant atleast some regames.

I want to angrily fuck that Kespa ref! >




They should have just held off on making a decision on game 3.

Play game 4 and 5, and if one player wins both games, the series ends 3-1!

Now you've just avoided most of the controversy with your excellent referee skills!



While game 4 and 5 are being played, get your crack team of experts together and review game 3. Whether you replay it or call the game, you at least had more time to gather information.

Someone could still say that, for example, if JD won game 4, and Flash won game 5, that's not fair to JD, who would have ended it in 4 games. But it's a much more defensible decision in my opinion, when weighted against the balance of the other options.


On the other hand, to criticize my own position, if the series ends 2-2 you pretty much HAVE to replay the game.

It would look even worse to take a 2-2 series and declare it over because of your decision on game 3 than what they wound up doing.

Difficult situation regardless.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 24 2010 13:35 GMT
#4453
On January 24 2010 14:20 r0yale wrote:
TOTAL BULLSHIT they should not have given flash the game but instead done a REMATCH because as he has shown with his game against Hyun on match point, he excells late game!

He lost. Against Hyun. He was even more behind here. Against Jaedong.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
elow
Profile Joined January 2010
Spain113 Posts
January 24 2010 13:40 GMT
#4454
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110681

Reed it ! It explains everything!
Chill: ''My children, please fucking stop making threads about how you are pissed that Brood War is dying and so on and so forth. It's getting tiring, and my old bones ache.''
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 24 2010 13:45 GMT
#4455
Im wondering why flash played the way he did. DId he not practice enough for this or did he think he could win without abusive play? Usually he might be able to but not if his player is abusive.
If we look at flashes recent performances we've seen 14cc and bunkerrushes and alot of risky things mixed in with strong solid safe play.
In this series he didn't do anything risky/unexpected. He opened 1rax 2suply cc every game except for the 4th set where he used a strategy that he had already done twice on the same map the last two games which makes it predictable.

We saw jaedong abuse the maps in a nice way. He played the zerostrat on matchpoint which seems to be flash's weakness on it. He did 3hatch before pool two games in a row on fairly large maps and he abused the islands on ultimatum and the fact that fightingspirit is zergfavoured by opening with a 9pool.
All the things he did made sense and was well prepared.
Why didn't flash do anything special, thats really odd. He could have used atleast 1 14cc or a prox 7 rax on a map where you'd think he wouldn't rush or something like that but he didn't. Nothing he did really made sense to me. I just felt abit awkward about his play.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 24 2010 14:41 GMT
#4456
On January 24 2010 16:42 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 16:27 tomatriedes wrote:
The heater was a Flash fanboy, he couldn't stand to see Flash losing.

naa, a flash fanboy would think flash was actually going to win


So you're saying flash fanboys are delusional?
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
January 24 2010 14:45 GMT
#4457
Are you are he went two supply before cc every game, stylish? Double check the second game, it seemed like depot --> rax --> cc (so no two depot before cc).
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
January 24 2010 14:57 GMT
#4458
Jaedong overcame the Kim Carrier curse! Yeaaahhhhh
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 24 2010 15:03 GMT
#4459
On January 24 2010 23:57 Jakalo wrote:
Jaedong overcame the Kim Carrier curse! Yeaaahhhhh


He already overcame it in Bacchus OSL. This is the 2nd time he has broken the curse.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-24 15:24:24
January 24 2010 15:22 GMT
#4460
On January 24 2010 23:45 LucasWoJ wrote:
Are you are he went two supply before cc every game, stylish? Double check the second game, it seemed like depot --> rax --> cc (so no two depot before cc).


ye, i forgot about that one. since you can wall its easily done. but i'd rather see a 14 cc and then block with 1 suply 1rax. something special. we didn't see anything new or special from flash this series. he hadn't prepared something special in any game imo.

he did seem to have adapted pretty got to the zerostrat in the first game though since he placed his cc on the spot and didnt make a bunker early on. i just cant understand why he didnt have turrets in his main. the only reason i could think of after speaking to haypro about it was that he might have placed the factory superearly because he though he was way ahead after getting those 2 initial mutakills.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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