On January 23 2010 19:56 d_so wrote:
look guys, konondra mentioned this earlier but the kespa rep clearly said they made their decision partly on leftover resources which in TvZ will always be in zerg's favor. to paraphrase, she said they made their decision based on units, bases and resources... but really, if flash won the fight at 7 -- which was possible -- there's no way you can say zerg is at an advatnage. flash's sci vessels at 7 were down, sure, but so were jaedong's defilers -- his last one got irradiated as soon as it came out of the nydus canal

Flash didn't have the vessel count to stop defilers. JD had defilers their with nydus to reinforce and consume. Without 6 or so vessels Flash couldn't break through. And without killing 7 he couldn't win. He did a 2 base allin, based around stopping JD taking a 4th gas. That was his entire build. He lost all his vessels and JD had defilers and ultras at 7. There was nothing Flash could do.

look i know you are the expert but you are convenient ignroing the fact that jaedong's last surviving deflier died to irradiate, as well as having no more than 4 ultras at his 7. now, he definitiely could have more etc and sent them through the nydus... but the question is whether he could have done this before flash ran through the dark swarm and attacked the base, especially since the first two swarms were close to running out.

odds are more likely that jaedong would have new defilers in time to stop the fight, new ultras to replenish the troops... but at that moment, the reality was there were no defilers, very few ultras, no lings, and flash still had a substantial mnm force, the first two swarms near the base were almost out, and flash had a sci vessel at the nydus canal waiting for any other defilers to come through.

yep, they just showed the replay.

Jaedong lost all his defilers and Flash just got a brand new set of MM reinforcements. Jeadong DID NOT have both gases up - he just built the second extractor and had low drone saturation.

From the way it looked Flash was going to kill 7. We don't know what Jaedong had at his base to push through the nydus. We DO know he had lings at 7 with sunkens and like 3 ultras with swarms running out. Flash's mineral expo WAS NOT up but he was maynarding SCVs.

This is why people need to stfu and stop making shit up. Jaedong had an advantage but was in a very tight spot. No one knows how it would have turned out but Flash was in control for sure. Likewise Flash's expansion wasn't even up.

That wasn't when the blackout happened. The game went on for another minute or so.

watching the replay again in slow mo you see for a fact that there were only TWO ultras (third one died) + no defilers + 4 sci vessels remaining at the time of the blackout.

god this shit's making me mad. imma go smoke brb

wow they were about to start again... but delayed again... FUCK MBC GOD I TRIED DEFENDING UR IDIOTIC DECISION TO LIMIT THIS TO FAN CLUBS AND HAVE A VIRTUAL STADIUM BUT FUCK U HAVE FAILED

I'm saying that when they stopped the VOD wasn't when the blackout ocurred. Many more vessels died and other stuff too.

Blaz3k

Slovenia71 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3324

double cheese :D

Hinanawi

United States2250 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3325

Ouch, this looks horrible for Flash.

NoobSkills

United States1600 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3326

Flash had 2 base which is enough to keep up with any 3 base zerg. (given that his main was probably low)
Drone count was low for zerg.
JD might've had a big enough army to fend it off, but the game was even.

Giving a win on an unclear victory was fail.

I've seen fantasy come back from much worse (fantasy vs JD on outsider)

Cirn9

1117 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3327

Both players pissed, go for uninteresting fast rush game without trying too hard

Gao Xi

Hong Kong5178 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3328

9 pool oh damn

saikeraku

Canada2933 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3329

2 barracks from Flash

craaaaack

479 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3330

flash 2 rax

rredtooth

5461 Posts

January 23 2010 11:23 GMT

#3331

d_so

Korea (South)3262 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3332

On January 23 2010 20:21 Caos2 wrote:

Show nested quote +

JD had 2 defilers at 7 when the game dropped.
Just watch the VOD.

ur trippin. replay clearly shows the last defiler had died.

u should have watched the replay when they were showing it in slow mo

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lr: second rax up for flash, can't bunker rush like he wanted

XiaoJoyce-

China2908 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3333

I am so hope Flash wins Jaedong 2 more round and get gold! Flash you must make sure every1 anknowledge you are the new bonjwa!

Your dream to be like boxer! The next generation of -players look up on you! FIghting Fighting Fighting!

Perguvious

United States1783 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3334

On January 23 2010 20:23 mikku wrote:
Both players pissed, go for uninteresting fast rush game without trying too hard

not fast rush by flash cause he can go cc

edit: nvm 2 rax and it gets scouted lol

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3335

Two very aggressive builds.

craaaaack

479 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3336

jd with 3 hatch

RHoudini

Belgium3627 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3337

On January 23 2010 20:21 BlackMagister wrote:
I know people are joking, but suggesting players to just "gg" and leave would not make the situation better, instead of trying to salvage the event it would be just throwing it away.

No, I wasn't joking.
Psychologically it would be great for JD to GG and give FlaSh a free win.

saikeraku

Canada2933 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3338

1 ling scouts Flash's main

skronch

United States2717 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3339

jd manages to sneak a ling into flash's main

XiaoLongNuSucks

Burkina Faso285 Posts

January 23 2010 11:24 GMT

#3340

i feel sorry for flash, there's just no way he'll be able to recover now after all of this shit.
jaedong's gonna take set 4 quite easily, but the title will be tained for all eternity, though sadly it's not for his fault.