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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 166

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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3301
8 rax on cross positions... 9 pool for jd. both aggressive
manner
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3302
FORWARD RAX
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
EniraM(CA)
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3303
8 RAX YES GO FLASH 2-2
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3304
Nooo they're cross positions again!
boredcouch
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3305
For all the idiots who don't realize that the replay wasn't til the point of the blackout... This is your warning...
starcraft is the greatest game ever
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3306
On January 23 2010 20:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:14 Ace wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:08 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:59 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:56 d_so wrote:
look guys, konondra mentioned this earlier but the kespa rep clearly said they made their decision partly on leftover resources which in TvZ will always be in zerg's favor. to paraphrase, she said they made their decision based on units, bases and resources... but really, if flash won the fight at 7 -- which was possible -- there's no way you can say zerg is at an advatnage. flash's sci vessels at 7 were down, sure, but so were jaedong's defilers -- his last one got irradiated as soon as it came out of the nydus canal

Flash didn't have the vessel count to stop defilers. JD had defilers their with nydus to reinforce and consume. Without 6 or so vessels Flash couldn't break through. And without killing 7 he couldn't win. He did a 2 base allin, based around stopping JD taking a 4th gas. That was his entire build. He lost all his vessels and JD had defilers and ultras at 7. There was nothing Flash could do.


look i know you are the expert but you are convenient ignroing the fact that jaedong's last surviving deflier died to irradiate, as well as having no more than 4 ultras at his 7. now, he definitiely could have more etc and sent them through the nydus... but the question is whether he could have done this before flash ran through the dark swarm and attacked the base, especially since the first two swarms were close to running out.

odds are more likely that jaedong would have new defilers in time to stop the fight, new ultras to replenish the troops... but at that moment, the reality was there were no defilers, very few ultras, no lings, and flash still had a substantial mnm force, the first two swarms near the base were almost out, and flash had a sci vessel at the nydus canal waiting for any other defilers to come through.



yep, they just showed the replay.

Jaedong lost all his defilers and Flash just got a brand new set of MM reinforcements. Jeadong DID NOT have both gases up - he just built the second extractor and had low drone saturation.

From the way it looked Flash was going to kill 7. We don't know what Jaedong had at his base to push through the nydus. We DO know he had lings at 7 with sunkens and like 3 ultras with swarms running out. Flash's mineral expo WAS NOT up but he was maynarding SCVs.

This is why people need to stfu and stop making shit up. Jaedong had an advantage but was in a very tight spot. No one knows how it would have turned out but Flash was in control for sure. Likewise Flash's expansion wasn't even up.

That wasn't when the blackout happened. The game went on for another minute or so.


Gusy were claiming Jaedong had a bazillion units and Flash had an expo fully mining pumping massive MnM forces - a minute from now that wasn't happening. Both "sides" were wrong. I just wanted to clearly illustrate that it wasn't like these guys had their economies rolling ez like some posters are making it sound.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3307
8rax vs 9pool?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3308
Can't MBC show the replay until the moment of blackout? It'd be nice to have better closure, so people can properly decide for themselves.

I think I've seen first hand, the average quality difference, between veteran and new posters. More emotion and baiting.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3309
If Jaedong wins it's not a real victory at all, sorry. I agree that only Flash can legitimately win this. Sucks for Jaedong.
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3310
I really hope Flash wins this game, this deserves a 5th set.
Hi Mom
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3311
Flash with fast rax!!

JD is 9pool!
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3312
Oh god this isn't going to end well...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Archon_Wing
Profile Joined May 2004
United States378 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3313
Oh man early pool.
Nothing witty here atm
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3314
9pool!!! Flash is in trouble!
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3315
Early rax but JD goes overpool!
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3316
9pool vs forward rax.
Yum yum.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3317
I have no excitement left, I don't even care who wins anymore. Both would be robbed of the epicness of their win.

Well, the game started, so we'll see.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3318
I think Flash literally doesn't give a shit anymore.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
January 23 2010 11:22 GMT
#3319
On January 23 2010 20:21 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:15 Holgerius wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:12 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:08 cz wrote:
On January 23 2010 20:02 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:58 jalstar wrote:
On January 23 2010 19:56 7mk wrote:

Look, people like Idra and Kwark are lightyears ahead of you in terms of sc knowledge, just dont...


Idra said Jaedong was ahead but it shouldn't be given to him and who's Kwark?

A guy who knows what a 2 base allin looks like.
I also got A- on icc.


Can you please acknowledge that you recognize that Flash had just started mining at an expo as the power went out?

Yes, that's why he was on 2 mining bases with one about to mine out. Can you please acknowledge that when a Terran stays on 2 bases with a heavy scv saturation for 10 minutes he mines out? Flash didn't take a 3rd for ages. He was on a 2 base allin. That 3rd was pretty much his entire economy.

Can you acknowledge that bigger comebacks than this would've been has happened in the SC history?

Every now and then on bnet, sure. But over JD in a starleague finals? No. I don't acknowledge that a Terran without the science vessel count to kill the defilers and break an expansion can win against a Zerg with map control, the full tech tree, full upgrades, 4 mining bases and 5 gases when that Zerg is also JD. Comebacks happen because a player makes mistakes. JD would need to make a fucking huge mistake (like plaguing all his ultras randomly) to lose that. He doesn't make that kind of mistake.



JD WAS NOT IN SUCH A GOOD SHAPE AS U MAKE HIM TO BE..

SERIOUSLY MAN WATCH THE GAME !?

hatred outlives the hateful
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 23 2010 11:23 GMT
#3320
flash 8rax
jd .. some type of pool first, didn't see
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