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Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
January 14 2010 12:07 GMT
#1001
On January 14 2010 20:36 niteReloaded wrote:
I've never acted racist in my life, and I thought I was beyond such a thing, but
+ Show Spoiler [EXTREME RACIST, DON'T READ.] +
GOD I HATE CHINESE AND THEIR STUPID GOVERNMENT AND THEIR ATTEMPTS TO JOIN FOREIGN PEOPLE ONLY WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING TO STEAL WETHER ITS TSL MONEY OR FREE STREAMS

FUCK FUCK FUCK GOD I HATE THEM AND THEIR DAUGHTER KILLING FAMILIES
HOLY FUCK AND TO THINK THEY WILL OUTNUMBER EVERYONE AND MAKE THEIR BEHAVIOR MAINSTREAM MAKES ME SICK

will probly get banned, but I had to say it.


im chinese and i demand you to return that shirt you're wearing because it is very likely that it's made in china. same with those boxers jeans and basically EVERYTHING YOU OWN.

jk, but dude you gotta chill.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 14 2010 12:09 GMT
#1002
On January 14 2010 20:48 niteReloaded wrote:
I would like if I didn't feel this way, but I do.
So if you think you can help me realize the truth, share your thoughts.



tl.net has been stealing chinese stream for years

dont worry - u have a low chance of being banned as china hate has always lurked beneth tl.

oh, ure mums still a whore


thx
bisu fanboy
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
January 14 2010 12:10 GMT
#1003
Flash is so OP
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
iMarshall
Profile Joined July 2008
Norway190 Posts
January 14 2010 12:10 GMT
#1004
On January 14 2010 21:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol @ everyone who was arguing Kwanro had a legit chance.


I don't remember the details of the games, but he did knock Flash out of the last MSL with a 2-1 win in ro16. Of course, Flash wasn't running over every opponent at the time, the way he does now, but it still gave Kwanro a small shot in my opinion. I was hoping for more all-ins from Kwanro, though.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 14 2010 12:24 GMT
#1005
On January 14 2010 21:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol @ everyone who was arguing Kwanro had a legit chance.

Using a statistic example of four games to claim the other player doesn't stand a chance is pretty dumb. I don't think anyone said Kwanro was a favorite in this but I would say anyone who makes it to the semis has at least a very small chance of winning.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 12:33:45
January 14 2010 12:29 GMT
#1006
On January 14 2010 21:10 iMarshall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 21:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol @ everyone who was arguing Kwanro had a legit chance.


I don't remember the details of the games, but he did knock Flash out of the last MSL with a 2-1 win in ro16. Of course, Flash wasn't running over every opponent at the time, the way he does now, but it still gave Kwanro a small shot in my opinion. I was hoping for more all-ins from Kwanro, though.


The details were everything. If I remember correctly, that period was during the strange time that Flash was the greediest player in the proscene and would constantly skimp on turrets and units during the early game and would often go 14CC and die to stuff like 9 pool. If I remember right, that's pretty much how he lost set 3 of that series.

I think Flash is still cutting it close with the timings for certain things but he's definitely building lots of turrets and isn't really going 14CC constantly and getting mauled by aggressive builds.

Of course I thought Kwanro would give Flash a decent fight, due to his aggressiveness, but he chose to do two sets of guardian builds, which I cannot ever remember working against Flash.
iMarshall
Profile Joined July 2008
Norway190 Posts
January 14 2010 12:32 GMT
#1007
On January 14 2010 21:29 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 21:10 iMarshall wrote:
On January 14 2010 21:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol @ everyone who was arguing Kwanro had a legit chance.


I don't remember the details of the games, but he did knock Flash out of the last MSL with a 2-1 win in ro16. Of course, Flash wasn't running over every opponent at the time, the way he does now, but it still gave Kwanro a small shot in my opinion. I was hoping for more all-ins from Kwanro, though.


The details were everything. If I remember correctly, that period was during the strange time that Flash was the greediest player in the proscene and would constantly skimp of turrets and units during the early game and would often go 14CC and die to stuff like 9 pool.

Of course I thought Kwanro would give Flash a decent fight but he chose to do two sets of guardian builds, which I cannot ever remember working against Flash.


If this was the case, I stand corrected.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 14 2010 12:33 GMT
#1008
It's pretty crazy how Flash has gone from being one of the most predictable players to one of the most unpredictable.

It's obviously working, at any rate. TvZ was Flash's worst matchup 6 months ago, at 62.3%. Now it's 70%.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 14 2010 12:34 GMT
#1009
On January 14 2010 21:29 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 21:10 iMarshall wrote:
On January 14 2010 21:06 SubtleArt wrote:
Lol @ everyone who was arguing Kwanro had a legit chance.


I don't remember the details of the games, but he did knock Flash out of the last MSL with a 2-1 win in ro16. Of course, Flash wasn't running over every opponent at the time, the way he does now, but it still gave Kwanro a small shot in my opinion. I was hoping for more all-ins from Kwanro, though.


The details were everything. If I remember correctly, that period was during the strange time that Flash was the greediest player in the proscene and would constantly skimp on turrets and units during the early game and would often go 14CC and die to stuff like 9 pool. If I remember right, that's pretty much how he lost set 3 of that series.

I think Flash is still cutting it close with the timings for certain things but he's definitely building lots of turrets and isn't really going 14CC constantly and getting mauled by aggressive builds.

Of course I thought Kwanro would give Flash a decent fight, due to his aggressiveness, but he chose to do two sets of guardian builds, which I cannot ever remember working against Flash anyone.


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Kreedit
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden373 Posts
January 14 2010 12:39 GMT
#1010
On January 14 2010 21:01 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 20:58 Kreedit wrote:
On January 14 2010 20:36 niteReloaded wrote:
I've never acted racist in my life, and I thought I was beyond such a thing, but
+ Show Spoiler [EXTREME RACIST, DON'T READ.] +
GOD I HATE CHINESE AND THEIR STUPID GOVERNMENT AND THEIR ATTEMPTS TO JOIN FOREIGN PEOPLE ONLY WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING TO STEAL WETHER ITS TSL MONEY OR FREE STREAMS

FUCK FUCK FUCK GOD I HATE THEM AND THEIR DAUGHTER KILLING FAMILIES
HOLY FUCK AND TO THINK THEY WILL OUTNUMBER EVERYONE AND MAKE THEIR BEHAVIOR MAINSTREAM MAKES ME SICK

will probly get banned, but I had to say it.


Feels better now doesnt it? oh and ignore anyone who says your post is stupid becuase its always better to vent your emotions than to have them boil inside you.


Did you know it is possible to vent without doing it in a public, retarded, and relatively permanent manner?


Well i doubt he got anyone at home to vent to about this... i mean do you honestly think his parents wouldnt laugh him out of the room if he said that something gaming related pissed him off?

True his subject and manner might not have been the best but atleast the chance of people on this site understanding his plight is alot higher.
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
January 14 2010 12:47 GMT
#1011
On January 14 2010 21:39 Kreedit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 21:01 darktreb wrote:
On January 14 2010 20:58 Kreedit wrote:
On January 14 2010 20:36 niteReloaded wrote:
I've never acted racist in my life, and I thought I was beyond such a thing, but
+ Show Spoiler [EXTREME RACIST, DON'T READ.] +
GOD I HATE CHINESE AND THEIR STUPID GOVERNMENT AND THEIR ATTEMPTS TO JOIN FOREIGN PEOPLE ONLY WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING TO STEAL WETHER ITS TSL MONEY OR FREE STREAMS

FUCK FUCK FUCK GOD I HATE THEM AND THEIR DAUGHTER KILLING FAMILIES
HOLY FUCK AND TO THINK THEY WILL OUTNUMBER EVERYONE AND MAKE THEIR BEHAVIOR MAINSTREAM MAKES ME SICK

will probly get banned, but I had to say it.


Feels better now doesnt it? oh and ignore anyone who says your post is stupid becuase its always better to vent your emotions than to have them boil inside you.


Did you know it is possible to vent without doing it in a public, retarded, and relatively permanent manner?


Well i doubt he got anyone at home to vent to about this... i mean do you honestly think his parents wouldnt laugh him out of the room if he said that something gaming related pissed him off?

True his subject and manner might not have been the best but atleast the chance of people on this site understanding his plight is alot higher.


wth? picture all people come here and vent their anger. this isn't the fucking Western Wall. take your emotional baggage there.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
January 14 2010 12:48 GMT
#1012
How did flash lose?
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Kentucky
Profile Joined November 2009
United States63 Posts
January 14 2010 12:49 GMT
#1013
Why are people rooting for Kal over Jaedong? We already have a TvP final in OSL

If you think Movie will just roll over you're an idiot. Movie has at least 30% equity in a BO5 with Flash

We already have an epic TvP coming up, don't underrate Movie

Let's root for an epic TvZ to go with it

Jaedong > Kal one time
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 14 2010 12:51 GMT
#1014
On January 14 2010 21:48 Mortician wrote:
How did flash lose?


Tried to 8rax, failed his scout (SCV turned back just before it saw the creep, so he didn't realize Kwanro was at the 11 spot), Kwanro 9pooled, Flash retreated back to his base and didn't use SCVs to block his ramp to try to make up for his economic disadvantage...and then he got Kwanrolled by zerglings.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
January 14 2010 13:00 GMT
#1015
On January 14 2010 21:49 Kentucky wrote:
Why are people rooting for Kal over Jaedong? We already have a TvP final in OSL

If you think Movie will just roll over you're an idiot. Movie has at least 30% equity in a BO5 with Flash

We already have an epic TvP coming up, don't underrate Movie

Let's root for an epic TvZ to go with it

Jaedong > Kal one time

lol we're idiots? Flash just owned Best 3-0. Movie is nowhere near as good as Best in PvT. 30% equity my ass, it'll one of the biggest upsets ever if movie can pull this off
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 14 2010 13:00 GMT
#1016
If you look only at this series Flashs builds were genius.

But if you think further at the possible Jaedong vs Flash finals I am like wtf.

Jaedong looking at those games will surely never go 12 hatch against Flash. He will most likely go 9pools or 12pools. Which makes Flash's possibilites quite low.

Afaik early pool builds negate early rax, 14ccs and Flash's favourite BO his very early rax expand.

This means Flash will have to completely change his game plan, against 12hatch the Terran is usually the one aggressor, but against early pools (especially against Jaedong) he will have to wait much longer to expand to his natural now.

Can anyone more skilled than me explain why Flash did those things TODAY and not keep them till the finals?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Kentucky
Profile Joined November 2009
United States63 Posts
January 14 2010 13:03 GMT
#1017
Other factors contributing to his loss were

-Ling speed before Lair, unscouted
-8rax was outside of his base and needed to be lifted off, losing marine training time

This is the kind of perfect storm of tiny mistakes that needs to occur in order for Flash to ever lose a game, it seems
Terakin
Profile Joined March 2008
Jamaica22 Posts
January 14 2010 13:14 GMT
#1018
On January 14 2010 21:49 Kentucky wrote:
Why are people rooting for Kal over Jaedong? We already have a TvP final in OSL

If you think Movie will just roll over you're an idiot. Movie has at least 30% equity in a BO5 with Flash

We already have an epic TvP coming up, don't underrate Movie

Let's root for an epic TvZ to go with it

Jaedong > Kal one time



I'll tell you why i want JD to NOT be in the finals..he plays Zerg. And I'm sick of seeing Zergs in various finals, enough is enough.
By.FlaSh...every key stroke = perfection
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 14 2010 13:17 GMT
#1019
On January 14 2010 22:14 Terakin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 21:49 Kentucky wrote:
Why are people rooting for Kal over Jaedong? We already have a TvP final in OSL

If you think Movie will just roll over you're an idiot. Movie has at least 30% equity in a BO5 with Flash

We already have an epic TvP coming up, don't underrate Movie

Let's root for an epic TvZ to go with it

Jaedong > Kal one time



I'll tell you why i want JD to NOT be in the finals..he plays Zerg. And I'm sick of seeing Zergs in various finals, enough is enough.


Dont forget we had plenty of protoss in finals before the swarm season.

Four protoss in MSL semifinals, remember?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 14 2010 13:21 GMT
#1020
He's not Zerg, he's Jaedong!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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