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On January 07 2010 21:08 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:07 Nevuk wrote:On January 07 2010 20:58 Kaniol wrote:On January 07 2010 20:50 endGame wrote:On January 07 2010 20:47 Nevuk wrote:
Yay... Flash beat Best on 2 imba tvp maps. Congrats for him? That is all. Now not only SKT Protoss' will blame maps but also their fans? Nice to know :D Thank you Flash & Best for kinda exciting series and thanks streamers for streaming  On January 07 2010 20:52 7mk wrote:On January 07 2010 20:51 dasanivan wrote:
during the interview flash said that he was worried because of best's unusually good macro even though he was at a huge advantage.
and he said he was disappointed that the game went on so long.
I think flash was only turtling so he would have a 100% chance to win instead of pushing and unexpectedly getting destroyed like he has been in the past by best. yeah thats what I thought aswell But doesn't like everyone know that you CAN'T be hasty with terran? They just use word turtle to flame because they hate Flash and when you do have someone you try to use any argument to offend him, right? In my mind turtling will always be something at like bnet 1v1 noobs lvl - you cover whole main with cannons to go to carriers or smth EDIT: nvm, i see that not everyone knows the most obvious truth... Eg. On January 07 2010 20:52 On_Slaught wrote:
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As far as all the BM talk, I actually think it was more BM for Flash in game 2 to turtle after he had basically assured victory and decide to get nukes for some reason when he could of just walked over Best and ended the game 30min earlier with no chance of a loss. I don't like SKT. I don't like them at all. Notice how in the bottom right of my post there's no team? Yeah, that's right. Actually, I don't like BeSt as a player at all. I'm very neutral. I just strongly dislike Flash, have for a while and these games cemented my image of him. Oh
Yeah, I meant that I was neutral about Best, not Flash.
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On January 07 2010 21:08 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:07 Nevuk wrote:On January 07 2010 20:58 Kaniol wrote:On January 07 2010 20:50 endGame wrote:On January 07 2010 20:47 Nevuk wrote:
Yay... Flash beat Best on 2 imba tvp maps. Congrats for him? That is all. Now not only SKT Protoss' will blame maps but also their fans? Nice to know :D Thank you Flash & Best for kinda exciting series and thanks streamers for streaming On January 07 2010 20:52 7mk wrote:On January 07 2010 20:51 dasanivan wrote:
during the interview flash said that he was worried because of best's unusually good macro even though he was at a huge advantage.
and he said he was disappointed that the game went on so long.
I think flash was only turtling so he would have a 100% chance to win instead of pushing and unexpectedly getting destroyed like he has been in the past by best. yeah thats what I thought aswell But doesn't like everyone know that you CAN'T be hasty with terran? They just use word turtle to flame because they hate Flash and when you do have someone you try to use any argument to offend him, right? In my mind turtling will always be something at like bnet 1v1 noobs lvl - you cover whole main with cannons to go to carriers or smth EDIT: nvm, i see that not everyone knows the most obvious truth... Eg. On January 07 2010 20:52 On_Slaught wrote:
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As far as all the BM talk, I actually think it was more BM for Flash in game 2 to turtle after he had basically assured victory and decide to get nukes for some reason when he could of just walked over Best and ended the game 30min earlier with no chance of a loss. I don't like SKT. I don't like them at all. Notice how in the bottom right of my post there's no team? Yeah, that's right. Actually, I don't like BeSt as a player at all. I'm very neutral. I just strongly dislike Flash, have for a while and these games cemented my image of him. Oh
he dosen;t like everyone
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flash is playing so many diffrent styles and is still being hated. that so sad 
he plays like 30 games against zerg and exactly in one game he turtles because he is at a huge disadvantage and again people say: "flash is turtling every game mimimimim"
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On January 07 2010 21:06 MrHoon wrote:
He has the most aggressive TvZ right now in the scene
What the hell do you people want?! Do you want flash to lose for your own entertainment?
I'm pretty sure they'd find a way to complain about that, too. I think it's just the inverse rule of player dominance to community acceptance we have around here.
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yeah flash just kind of just rolls over everything,
all the little dramatic flickers, all the clever and nifty tricks, all the short-lived sparks, all the small moments of brilliance
he just rolls over everything and leaves behind a distinctly bitter taste in one's mouth
I agree with what some other dude said earlier, in that he is almost exactly like iloveoov in the above regard
he is iloveoov 2.0
he might, and most likely will, be seen as one of the greatest players ever - maybe even a bonjwa
but as of now, people are hating him for the unwanted change that flash is bringing
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The other reason I want Flash to lose is because I don't want another Terran bonjwa. Edit : Or any bonjwa, really.
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On January 07 2010 21:03 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:01 SilverskY wrote:
The thing that I don't understand is why do people hate Flash so much. He plays like a fuckin' monster, and he's the most humble person in real life. He has openly stated that he gets so much hate from the Korean retards already and asks for the fans' support, and people still hate on him because... why?
He 3-0's the world's probably best (if not maybe only second to Stork) in 3 convincingly different fashions even in a late game macro war against the one person who presumably could and sometimes does macro better than Flash himself. And people complain about all 3 games. He rapes Stork with a stylish fashion in their last PL match. Like the fuck do people want?... Is it fun to watch when someone just rapes over and over and over? And he doesn't even have any flair or style. He just masses shit and attack moves, abuses maps, and makes tanks. No it's not fun to watch as a viewer. It's like watching Oov back in his heydays when he just raped everything alive and everyone was like "This is gay".
He's soooo much better than every other Terran it is remarkable. People can't copy his style because it takes too much subtlety and too few mistakes. He's only 17 and this is literally watching genius, an ordinary person who is able to see a game in extraordinary ways.
Also I don't get the "masses shit and attack moves" ... in like 80% of his TvZs the last few months he's been extremely aggressive and displayed the best micro any Terran has ever shown with Marines.
Haters gotta hate I guess because there is no real argument against his style other than maybe "he doesn't do crazy stuff that will lose games"
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On January 07 2010 21:06 Roffles wrote:
I actually liked it when Flash cheesed all the time. At least he was exciting. Now all he does is turtle, turtle, turtle, abuse greedy builds, and then make tanks and win.
Where's the excitement in that?
Flash has the most aggressive TvZ out there right now and all he does is turtle? His most turtle-like TvZ was S3 v Calm and even there the first 1/2 of the game was Flash being very aggressive.
Flash has done early game timing attacks in 3 out of his last 4 TvPs, but that's turtling?
Then there's TvT... but TvT == Turtlefest so you got me there.
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On January 07 2010 20:51 scintilliaSD wrote:
I hate to use the 'b' word but this is the same way I felt when sAviOr won a lot in his prime.
"Oh... well FlaSh won... again."
Tell me about it. The excitement is all gone from professional Starcraft for me.
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On January 07 2010 21:06 KristianJS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:03 dukethegold wrote:On January 07 2010 21:01 SilverskY wrote:
The thing that I don't understand is why do people hate Flash so much. He plays like a fuckin' monster, and he's the most humble person in real life. He has openly stated that he gets so much hate from the Korean retards already and asks for the fans' support, and people still hate on him because... why?
He 3-0's the world's probably best (if not maybe only second to Stork) in 3 convincingly different fashions even in a late game macro war against the one person who presumably could and sometimes does macro better than Flash himself. And people complain about all 3 games. He rapes Stork with a stylish fashion in their last PL match. Like the fuck do people want?... Entertainment. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: epic, entertaining matches can only result from a situation where the players are doing everything in their power to win. If the players have some attitude about wanting to entertain rather than win then you can kiss any epicness goodbye and start watching wrestling instead. The fact is that both players were trying really hard to win, and Flash played too good for Best to have much of a chance at making things entertaining. The end.
Flash didnt play to win in game 2. He played not to lose. which is why it went 50 minutes. He killed Best's nat and had 3 base to toss 2 yet he backs off and lets Best take 6 bases and make a game of it.
cant complain about game 3, he just outplayed best there
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On January 07 2010 21:03 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:01 SilverskY wrote:
The thing that I don't understand is why do people hate Flash so much. He plays like a fuckin' monster, and he's the most humble person in real life. He has openly stated that he gets so much hate from the Korean retards already and asks for the fans' support, and people still hate on him because... why?
He 3-0's the world's probably best (if not maybe only second to Stork) in 3 convincingly different fashions even in a late game macro war against the one person who presumably could and sometimes does macro better than Flash himself. And people complain about all 3 games. He rapes Stork with a stylish fashion in their last PL match. Like the fuck do people want?... Is it fun to watch when someone just rapes over and over and over? And he doesn't even have any flair or style. He just masses shit and attack moves, abuses maps, and makes tanks.
yeah because 3 hatch lair into 5 hatch hyds into muta sniping ht and hyds going 1a2a3a4a gg was so much more fun to watch the last season t.t
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On January 07 2010 21:07 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:01 SilverskY wrote:
The thing that I don't understand is why do people hate Flash so much. He plays like a fuckin' monster, and he's the most humble person in real life. He has openly stated that he gets so much hate from the Korean retards already and asks for the fans' support, and people still hate on him because... why?
He 3-0's the world's probably best PvT'er (if not maybe only second to Stork) in 3 convincingly different fashions even in a late game macro war against the one person who presumably could and sometimes does macro better than Flash himself. And people complain about all 3 games. He rapes Stork with a stylish fashion in their last PL match. Like the fuck do people want?... Well, actually its quite natural. It happens in every sport actually. If one team wins so much, people will just hate that team, I think its in the natural of human want to support the weaker. Like when I watch a football(soccer) match if my favourite not playing I will support the weaker team
Exactly. Just look at the hate SKT1 was getting at the end of the last Proleague. People will always throw rocks at the throne.
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On January 07 2010 21:06 Roffles wrote:
I actually liked it when Flash cheesed all the time. At least he was exciting. Now all he does is turtle, turtle, turtle, abuse greedy builds, and then make tanks and win.
Where's the excitement in that?
What kind of a stupid joke is this? Selective memory at its best right here: "Flash turtles for one half of one game while doing early pushes the other two.....Flash only turtles ololol"
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On January 07 2010 21:01 SilverskY wrote:
The thing that I don't understand is why do people hate Flash so much. He plays like a fuckin' monster, and he's the most humble person in real life. He has openly stated that he gets so much hate from the Korean retards already and asks for the fans' support, and people still hate on him because... why?
He 3-0's the world's probably best PvT'er (if not maybe only second to Stork) in 3 convincingly different fashions even in a late game macro war against the one person who presumably could and sometimes does macro better than Flash himself. And people complain about all 3 games. He rapes Stork with a stylish fashion in their last PL match. Like the fuck do people want?...
Here here! I think, to answer the question in bold, people just hate him because he is simply too good. There is a saying I heard somewhere: "nobody likes the perfect person, jealousy sees to that". As absurd as it seems, I think the people who dislike him would all the sudden have no problem with him if he started to lose a bit. This includes people who claim to hate him for his play style, since they don't really hate his style, they just hate his success.
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On January 07 2010 21:09 blue_arrow wrote:
yeah flash just kind of just rolls over everything,
all the little dramatic flickers, all the clever and nifty tricks, all the short-lived sparks, all the small moments of brilliance
he just rolls over everything and leaves behind a distinctly bitter taste in one's mouth
I agree with what some other dude said earlier, in that he is almost exactly like iloveoov in the above regard
he is iloveoov 2.0
I don't have any issue with his playstyle, it's just that he's a fucking machine. It's like a machine playing chess against an ordinary chess player. The machine will straight up destroy because it's got precision in just about everything and is virtually unstoppable.
I just think it's really lame for viewership when he wins all the time, which is why I'm cheering for anyone who plays against him. It's the same with sports. If someone wins everything, then there's nothing to watch anymore.
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I guess a very solidly playing Terran with a on of starsense just isnt as exiting to watch. It sure as hell gets the job done, and has you going... he's really good, but it doesnt give the same exitement as some other players.
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"Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained?"
someone make a photoshop of that gogo
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I like terran underdogs.
Which is why HWASIN FTWWWWWWWWW
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On January 07 2010 21:10 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:06 KristianJS wrote:On January 07 2010 21:03 dukethegold wrote:On January 07 2010 21:01 SilverskY wrote:
The thing that I don't understand is why do people hate Flash so much. He plays like a fuckin' monster, and he's the most humble person in real life. He has openly stated that he gets so much hate from the Korean retards already and asks for the fans' support, and people still hate on him because... why?
He 3-0's the world's probably best (if not maybe only second to Stork) in 3 convincingly different fashions even in a late game macro war against the one person who presumably could and sometimes does macro better than Flash himself. And people complain about all 3 games. He rapes Stork with a stylish fashion in their last PL match. Like the fuck do people want?... Entertainment. I've said this before, but I'll say it again: epic, entertaining matches can only result from a situation where the players are doing everything in their power to win. If the players have some attitude about wanting to entertain rather than win then you can kiss any epicness goodbye and start watching wrestling instead. The fact is that both players were trying really hard to win, and Flash played too good for Best to have much of a chance at making things entertaining. The end. Flash didnt play to win in game 2. He played not to lose. which is why it went 50 minutes. He killed Best's nat and had 3 base to toss 2 yet he backs off and lets Best take 6 bases and make a game of it. cant complain about game 3, he just outplayed best there
Playing not to lose is the same as playing to win dude, this isn't chess; there's no draw (well....basically not anyway). Look at his interview: it's not as if Flash wanted to camp that long, but he was scared of Best's sick macro and the fact that the map wasn't too great for terran so he decided to play it safe. I.e. he decided to maximise his chances of winning.
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