EPT[OSL] EVER OSL Semi-Final B: Movie vs Shine - Page 6
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On January 07 2010 11:17 FireGuyX wrote: I think some people are really underestimating Movie's ZvP. He's not Stork Yeah, he's worse than Stork. Too many Movie fanboys >_> | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On January 07 2010 11:41 TwoToneTerran wrote: I would. Flash's only losses in tvz come from really aggressive muta play that pokes a hole in his defense. What's shine's MO? Really aggressive muta play that pokes holes in defense. Movie, on the otherhand, flounders early game PvT and hopes he can win by throwing arbiters at the T until he loses -- a viable strategy, but unless you have Best's perfect macro, I don't think you can make up for early game mistakes vs Flash. Movie likes to go for more unorthodox builds, which, as a protoss, doesn't faze Flash. See Flash v. Sangho? @ Neo Medusa. | ||
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yes9111
United States420 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:49 dukethegold wrote: It is too early to say it, but I am very curious how much shitstorm and how many anti-shine fans there will be if Shine defeats Flash. ... ... It is possible. Like if Flash gets back injury or catches H1N1. Or if Shine goes 4 pool All in muta 4 pool I would love to see the kind of treatment Shine would get. edit: Movie's glare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shine's stare | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
Glad to see you are still streaming, at least for now. Go Movie, if anyone has a shot v Flash, it is you balla. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
As long as Movie becomes invincible to muta harass in early game, he will win. If Shine v.s. Bisu and Shine v.s. Stork and Shine v.s. Zergs served to prove anything, it proves that Shine's primary weapon is muta control. The problem is, Shine is aware of that as well... And funnier still, godly or lucky muta harass is the currently the only proven way to defeat Flash... | ||
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Un Gato
United States123 Posts
HISTORICALLY WEAKEST RACE FIGHTING! | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On January 07 2010 12:53 dukethegold wrote: The problem is, Shine is aware of that as well... And funnier still, godly or lucky muta harass is the currently the only proven way to defeat Flash... Or flash forgetting a turret. I usually always root for the swarm, but just don't like this guy, and my CJ fanboyism leads me to go for movie... GO MOVIE! | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 05 2010 20:28 IdrA wrote: PPPPPPPRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS (during movie vs upmagic) | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On January 07 2010 13:18 jalstar wrote: It's fine to root for race > team (during movie vs upmagic) Are you sarcastic? | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
On January 07 2010 01:30 meegrean wrote: I want Movie to win so bad. Me too. I'll be pulling for him, but he definitely has an uphill battle ahead of him. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On January 07 2010 13:18 jalstar wrote: It's fine to root for race > team (during movie vs upmagic) Not sure if you meant that you are going to betray CJ or root for the Terran who plays in Movie v.s Shine or just that you want all FOX fans to betray their teams. On the other hand, I do like how this got a thread already while the MSL is actually happening a day sooner...about 5 hours away in fact. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 07 2010 11:41 TwoToneTerran wrote: I would. Flash's only losses in tvz come from really aggressive muta play that pokes a hole in his defense. What's shine's MO? Really aggressive muta play that pokes holes in defense. Movie, on the otherhand, flounders early game PvT and hopes he can win by throwing arbiters at the T until he loses -- a viable strategy, but unless you have Best's perfect macro, I don't think you can make up for early game mistakes vs Flash. um that ONE game Flash lost to Calm more of a timing mistake than a micro mistake. Having excellent muta harass doesn't give you much of a chance vs Flash. Movie flounders early game PvT? Really? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
Movie cannot do the things that have recently beaten Flash in TvP. Shine can do the things that have recently beaten Flash in TvZ. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10348 Posts
On January 07 2010 13:31 Ace wrote: um that ONE game Flash lost to Calm more of a timing mistake than a micro mistake. Having excellent muta harass doesn't give you much of a chance vs Flash. That post clearly proves that you haven't been watching Flash's TvZs lately. What do Flash's losses to Hyun, Zero, and Calm have in common: great early Muta harass. Whether or not if gives much of a chance or not, it clearly gives zergs the best chance. Oh, wait, let me edit that for fanboys: misplaced turrets/glitched scvs making turrets/heartbreak ridge gives zergs the best chance. Didn't want to offend anyone. -_- Anyway, I love that Shine beats Bisu and Stork, and yet he's going to get 3-1ed by Movie, with the lone win on the much hated El Niño (where Shine is actually 1-1 vP). This just shows that there is still no respect for Shine. If Shine wins, all the haters will blame El Niño, call Shine's aggression cheesy (which is funny because the only protoss cheesier than Movie is Horang2), and bitch about ZvP imba. And if Movie wins, more people will call him an S-class ZvPer (el oh el), they'll label Shine as a fluke, and call Movie some kind of revolutionist (by far the most overused word these days). Basically, no matter what Shine does, you'll find a way to spin it in such a manner than Shine is still not good enough. Bravo, haters. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote: That post clearly proves that you haven't been watching Flash's TvZs lately. What do Flash's losses to Hyun, Zero, and Calm have in common: great early Muta harass. Whether or not if gives much of a chance or not, it clearly gives zergs the best chance. Oh, wait, let me edit that for fanboys: misplaced turrets/glitched scvs making turrets/heartbreak ridge gives zergs the best chance. Didn't want to offend anyone. -_- Anyway, I love that Shine beats Bisu and Stork, and yet he's going to get 3-1ed by Movie, with the lone win on the much hated El Niño (where Shine is actually 1-1 vP). This just shows that there is still no respect for Shine. If Shine wins, all the haters will blame El Niño, call Shine's aggression cheesy (which is funny because the only protoss cheesier than Movie is Horang2), and bitch about ZvP imba. And if Movie wins, more people will call him an S-class ZvPer (el oh el), they'll label Shine as a fluke, and call Movie some kind of revolutionist (by far the most overused word these days). Basically, no matter what Shine does, you'll find a way to spin it in such a manner than Shine is still not good enough. Bravo, haters. Ironically, I think this post would fit Savior v.s. Reach in the UZOO MSL final. But Shine will never be Savior. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:11 dukethegold wrote: Ironically, I think this post would fit Savior v.s. Reach in the UZOO MSL final. Except Reach was already good, and already recognized as good, as opposed to Movie who's recognized as good but isn't actually good. And Reach wasn't a cheesy all-in'ing Protoss vT and vP either. | ||
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Except Reach was already good, and already recognized as good, as opposed to Movie who's recognized as good but isn't actually good. And Reach wasn't a cheesy all-in'ing Protoss vT and vP either. Incase you didn't see the 3rd game between Movie vs Zero, you might want to check that and then say whether movie is good or not. I'm rooting for movie, I imagine it will be 3-4 him. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:34 Whiplash wrote: Incase you didn't see the 3rd game between Movie vs Zero, you might want to check that and then say whether movie is good or not. I'm rooting for movie, I imagine it will be 3-4 him. There was no third game...Movie 2-0 Zero. I think you meant the 2nd game. But anybody who say that Movie has no PvZ is deceiving himself. Zero is one of the top ZvP player and had a 13 vP streak. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote: That post clearly proves that you haven't been watching Flash's TvZs lately. What do Flash's losses to Hyun, Zero, and Calm have in common: great early Muta harass. Whether or not if gives much of a chance or not, it clearly gives zergs the best chance. Oh, wait, let me edit that for fanboys: misplaced turrets/glitched scvs making turrets/heartbreak ridge gives zergs the best chance. Didn't want to offend anyone. -_- Anyway, I love that Shine beats Bisu and Stork, and yet he's going to get 3-1ed by Movie, with the lone win on the much hated El Niño (where Shine is actually 1-1 vP). This just shows that there is still no respect for Shine. If Shine wins, all the haters will blame El Niño, call Shine's aggression cheesy (which is funny because the only protoss cheesier than Movie is Horang2), and bitch about ZvP imba. And if Movie wins, more people will call him an S-class ZvPer (el oh el), they'll label Shine as a fluke, and call Movie some kind of revolutionist (by far the most overused word these days). Basically, no matter what Shine does, you'll find a way to spin it in such a manner than Shine is still not good enough. Bravo, haters. How about you also mention that in those same games with early muta play Flash fucking steamrolls the Zerg player? Because it works once every 10 games doesn't automatically make it a good idea. Calm was literally this close to being 3-0'd with his great muta micro. Something else is needed besides muta micro to beat Flash. | ||
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