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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17805 Posts
December 19 2009 13:24 GMT
#1741
On December 19 2009 05:10 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 04:58 OneOther wrote:
just saw flash vs jaedong
not quite sure what to say

Dude....

JD looked so miserable throughout the game. Flash is so freaking ridiculous...

How is Flash able to deny the 3rd so well in TvZ nowadays?


It just shows how unprepared JD was for unexpected turn of events. It looked like he was stuck trying to grab his 3rd over and over again with Flash denying it every single time. What he should do (even after initial muta fail) is to go into some 2-base play to secure his position just a bit (get lurkers earlier), kill the roaming marine force and then switch back to 3-base.

JD train of thought:
1. try to establish 3rd
2. fail
3. pointlessly suicide your army into enemy main while he has small force roaming outside
4. goto #1
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
December 19 2009 13:53 GMT
#1742
I agree JD didn't play at his full and made some silly mistakes. I'm not saying had he been at 100% shape he would've beaten current Flash, but at least it would've been draught to a +30min hardcore game, not a one sided rape.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-19 14:02:12
December 19 2009 14:01 GMT
#1743
ahh wow

So apparently rA and Kingdom made a bet of who would win in JD vs Flash

rA said flash would win
and Kingdom said JD would win
dats racist
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 19 2009 17:43 GMT
#1744
On December 19 2009 23:01 MrHoon wrote:
ahh wow

So apparently rA and Kingdom made a bet of who would win in JD vs Flash

rA said flash would win
and Kingdom said JD would win


Hope that rA will win the bet
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 19 2009 17:50 GMT
#1745
So now going against Flash is to go against Nal_rA!

Do you think you can bear that, Jaedong fans? Spitting in the face of The Dreamer?

Flash for OSL plz.
Remember Violet.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-19 18:03:47
December 19 2009 18:00 GMT
#1746
On December 19 2009 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2009 05:10 BanZu wrote:
On December 19 2009 04:58 OneOther wrote:
just saw flash vs jaedong
not quite sure what to say

Dude....

JD looked so miserable throughout the game. Flash is so freaking ridiculous...

How is Flash able to deny the 3rd so well in TvZ nowadays?


It just shows how unprepared JD was for unexpected turn of events. It looked like he was stuck trying to grab his 3rd over and over again with Flash denying it every single time. What he should do (even after initial muta fail) is to go into some 2-base play to secure his position just a bit (get lurkers earlier), kill the roaming marine force and then switch back to 3-base.

JD train of thought:
1. try to establish 3rd
2. fail
3. pointlessly suicide your army into enemy main while he has small force roaming outside
4. goto #1


I said this long ago. Flash will show up better prepared than JD and just skate right over him.

My point was proven :D

Here, I found it:

On December 17 2009 00:50 LightRailCoyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 00:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Flash in my opinion. He will come into it better prepared and he will just skate past JD.

It is literally impossible to be more prepared than Jaedong. He is a practice monster.

I think the match is a tossup to be honest. maybe flash can cheese the shit out of JD (revenge for all that 14cc vs 9pool).

Winner wins OSL.

Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-19 18:21:11
December 19 2009 18:20 GMT
#1747
People are missing the fact that Jaedong's "backstab", even though it cost him his units, still had a point to it. It successfully drew Flash's army back, so that Jaedong could cover the far side of Flash's bridge with lurkers. I think JD was doing that to give himself some breathing room. It was a desperate move but not a pointless one IMO.

I <3 that picture of Flash and rA. Flash looks so happy and rA looks so proud. KTF Magicns!!! :D

Edit: I wouldn't mind seeing Shine beat Stork, partly because I'm his new fan (Stork fan too though), and partly because I want Flash to win this OSL Casy-style through straight-up TvZ dominance.
May the BeSt man win.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 19 2009 18:21 GMT
#1748
On December 20 2009 03:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I said this long ago. Flash will show up better prepared than JD and just skate right over him.



u gotta skate

on a more serious note, I hope JD comes more prepared next time so we can have a 3-game series (with flash winning 2-1 nonetheless )
Writer
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 19 2009 18:44 GMT
#1749
On December 18 2009 18:55 Gumbo wrote:
I just dont get what happened, JD never had enough unit to defend against Flash, even with his army split up.


That would be because Flash macro is unique.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 19 2009 18:54 GMT
#1750
On December 20 2009 03:20 Djabanete wrote:
People are missing the fact that Jaedong's "backstab", even though it cost him his units, still had a point to it. It successfully drew Flash's army back, so that Jaedong could cover the far side of Flash's bridge with lurkers. I think JD was doing that to give himself some breathing room. It was a desperate move but not a pointless one IMO.

I <3 that picture of Flash and rA. Flash looks so happy and rA looks so proud. KTF Magicns!!! :D

Edit: I wouldn't mind seeing Shine beat Stork, partly because I'm his new fan (Stork fan too though), and partly because I want Flash to win this OSL Casy-style through straight-up TvZ dominance.


I definitely noticed that. Too bad Flash had too many tanks for the lurkers to matter.
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
December 19 2009 20:16 GMT
#1751
Blah blah blah Jaedong vs. Flash blah blah blah.

Movie vs. Zero was fucking amazing, people. Both of those guys were so badass in that game. I just watched the game like 5 times in a row.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17805 Posts
December 19 2009 20:34 GMT
#1752
On December 20 2009 03:21 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 03:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I said this long ago. Flash will show up better prepared than JD and just skate right over him.



u gotta skate

on a more serious note, I hope JD comes more prepared next time so we can have a 3-game series (with flash winning 2-1 nonetheless )


It was not a matter of preparation. It was wrong mindset that got him.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 19 2009 20:55 GMT
#1753
On December 20 2009 05:34 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 03:21 ]343[ wrote:
On December 20 2009 03:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I said this long ago. Flash will show up better prepared than JD and just skate right over him.



u gotta skate

on a more serious note, I hope JD comes more prepared next time so we can have a 3-game series (with flash winning 2-1 nonetheless )


It was not a matter of preparation. It was wrong mindset that got him.


The point of preparation is to get in the right mindset to win?...
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
December 19 2009 22:32 GMT
#1754
Well that game sucked; I think sets two and three are going to be a lot more interesting. Jaedong played a bad game, it happens. He lost the first set, he does that from time to time. Then he says he'll practice harder and he evidently practices like a mad man because he always come back ready to rock face. If FlaSh rapes him in set two the way he did in set one I'll start to worry.
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 20 2009 00:26 GMT
#1755
I don't think it's that easy to just "kill the roaming M&M force". I mean, if it was that easy would Flash be using this build? He's using indicators of everything from army count to Sunken count to Drone count to decide whether or not he can roam.

Also, Flash seems to always have a good idea of where his opponent's army is, even if he can't see it. And when he's not sure or feels he needs the protection he builds an extra bunker (which hurt JD's backstab a lot).
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 20 2009 01:06 GMT
#1756
I figured out how Flash rolled JD so easily, I'm surprised I didn't notice it before, it was so simple.

1:08 in this video:

Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 20 2009 01:10 GMT
#1757
On December 20 2009 10:06 Hinanawi wrote:
I figured out how Flash rolled JD so easily, I'm surprised I didn't notice it before, it was so simple.

1:08 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLN9qcY2-8#t=1m6s

Same thing that happened in Calm vs Fantasy right? I overlord that your arnt supposed to lose dies, so all of your timings get fucked up and its a snowball effect that screws you over.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 20 2009 01:17 GMT
#1758
On December 20 2009 10:10 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 10:06 Hinanawi wrote:
I figured out how Flash rolled JD so easily, I'm surprised I didn't notice it before, it was so simple.

1:08 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLN9qcY2-8#t=1m6s

Same thing that happened in Calm vs Fantasy right? I overlord that your arnt supposed to lose dies, so all of your timings get fucked up and its a snowball effect that screws you over.


No no, JD didn't lose that overlord, it lived. This happened much, much earlier. Flash also didn't do it before his match with HyuN started, which may have been the deciding factor in his loss there.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
December 20 2009 03:52 GMT
#1759
On December 20 2009 10:10 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 10:06 Hinanawi wrote:
I figured out how Flash rolled JD so easily, I'm surprised I didn't notice it before, it was so simple.

1:08 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLN9qcY2-8#t=1m6s

Same thing that happened in Calm vs Fantasy right? I overlord that your arnt supposed to lose dies, so all of your timings get fucked up and its a snowball effect that screws you over.

no thats not waht happened. Go to the time indicated in that post. >:D

and btw Movie vs Zero was pretty good to D:
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 20 2009 03:58 GMT
#1760
Flash 2-0 gogo :D:D
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
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