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imbecile
563 Posts
He was gas starved. How is he going to get sair/reavers/HT with storm AND DA with maelstrom? Trade two HTs for two DTs and the game would be his. He lost many of those anyway, and the Archons were of not too much use. All it would take was one flyby by Shine, and he would be without an army for 1-2 minutes. That's gg. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
That's just fucking stupid, Shine is a good player | ||
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imbecile
563 Posts
On December 19 2009 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Shine has had by far the hardest path on this OSL and you people seriously think he sucks? That's just fucking stupid, Shine is a good player I don't think he sucks. I'm just like Stork better, and I'm disappointed he never thought of using one of the hard counters to the only unit his opponent was using. | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
edit: nah probably not | ||
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imbecile
563 Posts
On December 19 2009 06:51 LordWeird wrote: I wonder if it had anything to do with his economy being utter shit. edit: nah probably not After spending ten minutes chasing mutas with HT and Zealots? Yeah, that could leave your economy depleted. | ||
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Ideas
United States8174 Posts
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
On December 19 2009 05:33 Cambium wrote: I think JD made some mistakes... or rather... expected Flash to do different things. 1) JD's gas was late because of the lings. I think JD expected Flash to make a bunker, but Flash built a depot instead. 2) After the 9 mutas popped, JD went for Flash's main instead of killing the group of MM wondering outside. The "counter" did absolutely nothing except giving up all of the lings and weaken majority of the mutas. As a result, JD was never able to make a third. 3) Somewhat related to point 2, I think JD expected Flash to go for a faster tech (i.e. 2 rax), but Flash was producing units from 3. I believe the climax of this game was at your point #2, i was shitting my pants as to what would happen a few seconds after the mutas were produced; it was a critical moment in the game; the special force infantry was heading north; the mutas were heading west toward flash base; it was like an extreme roller coaster and i was in it. all i could say at the muta hatching point was "here we gooo!" | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
He played completely detached emotionally, but focused and sharp like nothing I've seen before. I think the biggest mistake Flash made in this game was losing that single marine to a few lings ^^ this guy is a TvZ bonjwa at the moment. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
And, its also hard to praise Flash's TvZ too much at the moment. Its really impressive, except for the fact that it makes the "most ballanced game" thing we all hold to be true look, um, not so true. All fun matches to watch. Movie Fighting!!!!! | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
On December 19 2009 04:58 OneOther wrote: I'm pretty sure the word your looking for is rape.just saw flash vs jaedong not quite sure what to say | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
We've seen so many Protoss and ESPECIALLY so many Zerg players rising up and making names for themselves lately, but the Terran race seems really stagnant, with just the old guard holding everything up. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On December 19 2009 08:53 Hinanawi wrote: Where are the 'up-and-coming' Terrans these days? We've seen so many Protoss and ESPECIALLY so many Zerg players rising up and making names for themselves lately, but the Terran race seems really stagnant, with just the old guard holding everything up. That old guard you're talking about is single handily demolishing every zerg he runs into. Now I wonder why other Terrans aren't copying this style. Is it because they can't...as in skill wise can't or is it because they don't realize yet how rape it is? | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On December 19 2009 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Shine has had by far the hardest path on this OSL and you people seriously think he sucks? That's just fucking stupid, Shine is a good player He can very well beat Flash in the "most impressive OSL run" award ... But for the love of god, it should not happen T_T | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On December 19 2009 09:50 nayumi wrote: He can very well beat Flash in the "most impressive OSL run" award ... But for the love of god, it should not happen T_T If Shine manages to win an OSL with Stork, Flash, and Jaedong in the round of 16, I will cry. If Jaedong wins the RO8 and Shine makes it all the way to the finals only to get 0-3'd by Jaedong, I will nerdrage.  | ||
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 19 2009 06:47 imbecile wrote: I don't think he sucks. I'm just like Stork better, and I'm disappointed he never thought of using one of the hard counters to the only unit his opponent was using. This just in. Armor-upgraded muta/scourge Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapeeeeeeeeeeeeee 6, 7, or even 10 corsairs. It's not like Stork had the time to sit in his base building up a fleet of 24 sairs, either, since Shine was on 4 gas so early. Shine had a hydra den ready, and even if he didn't use it, it's not like it's difficult to go into a 4 base hydra if your opponent makes pure corsairs. On December 19 2009 10:42 onihunter wrote: Jaedong just got caught off guard with that 3 rax instead of 2 rax. That extra rax allowed Flash to build so much more m&m and thus constantly roam around with a group to kill 3rds, ending the game. Honestly, this wouldn't make any sense to me. 3 rax has been the standard in TvZ and it's the least rax that I've seen before factory for a long, long time in progames. Sometimes players go for 4 or 5 rax early on, but being surprised by 3 rax just makes little to no sense. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 19 2009 10:42 onihunter wrote: Jaedong just got caught off guard with that 3 rax instead of 2 rax. That extra rax allowed Flash to build so much more m&m and thus constantly roam around with a group to kill 3rds, ending the game. 3rax off earlyTwobase is standard. There's absolutely no way Jaedong could've been surprised that Flash did that. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 19 2009 08:53 Hinanawi wrote: Where are the 'up-and-coming' Terrans these days? We've seen so many Protoss and ESPECIALLY so many Zerg players rising up and making names for themselves lately, but the Terran race seems really stagnant, with just the old guard holding everything up. TurN Classic Bogus | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Bogus has a shot in the MSL, I suppose, but Classic and Turn? Each for having one showy game against SKToss? Same goes for Skyhigh who's on the up and coming Terran List. But you know who's really up and coming? Flash! 17 year old is making splashes! Younger than most the upstarts! | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13430 Posts
I think his big weakness though is when he sends that small unit of mnms out to snipe the third gas expo. If Jaedong took that unit out with his inital 9 muta and 12 ling instead of going to the counter at his main it would've set him up much better for the mid game imo. It's good to see him going back to 3-hatch muta though. | ||
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