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On December 18 2009 23:36 SuperArc wrote:
Movie is the only protoss who won tonight and people still don't acknowledge him?
I do agree with you that Movie deserves some acknowledgement, but thats a horrible argument for it.
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stork >.<
please don't drop out now.
On December 18 2009 23:36 SuperArc wrote:
Movie is the only protoss who won tonight and people still don't acknowledge him?
Who cares if he won. His pvt pvps are still cheesy.
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On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing .
In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned.
BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness.
Which makes Shine's play gay.
And you wrong for saying otherwise.
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Well, shines play is exciting given its low econ nature. I'd think that against zero or movie, he could make a pretty interesting series [obviously against movie more so than zero]. I'm alright if he advances, so long as he doesn't flop in the next round, which isn't guaranteed.
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On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise.
Someone didn't watch Shine vs Violet.
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On December 18 2009 19:49 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 19:46 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:44 Mastermind wrote:On December 18 2009 19:43 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:42 Chen wrote:On December 18 2009 19:40 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:36 darktreb wrote:On December 18 2009 19:34 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:33 darktreb wrote:
duuuuuuuude everybody saying Protoss is not ahead when they successfully KILL THE THIRD HATCHERY WITH JUST CANNONS in PvZ needs to actually play the game wow this is unbelievable
I mean are you serious I wish you could simulate that game except with Pure not being stupid and losing to that all-in and you'd see how Pure has like 2X the food of Calm in another 4 or 5 minutes No fucking shit. Obviously if a player fails an all-in, the other player will have a huge advantage 5 minutes later. Ugh obviously my point is that if Calm doesn't do the all-in (which is not a legit counter if the Protoss is not stupid ... it was completely blockable by Pure ... how about you cut two Probes and delay your Archives) then in THAT case Pure is insurmountably ahead in another few minutes. Cut two probes and do what? Put 3 cannons in each minline and lose to 2 hatch hydra, 2 hatch standard, or 2 hatch lurker drop? 2 at each is more than enough, 1 at each is sufficient if you micro well. the fact that he had NONE at EITHER base was just greedy and lose him the game 2 is still a loss against 2 hatch hydra, 2 hatch standard, and 2 hatch lurker drop. 1 would just put them on even ground. What the fuck is 2 hatch standard? That does not exist in zvp. On December 18 2009 19:42 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:41 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:On December 18 2009 19:40 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:36 darktreb wrote:On December 18 2009 19:34 APurpleCow wrote:On December 18 2009 19:33 darktreb wrote:
duuuuuuuude everybody saying Protoss is not ahead when they successfully KILL THE THIRD HATCHERY WITH JUST CANNONS in PvZ needs to actually play the game wow this is unbelievable
I mean are you serious I wish you could simulate that game except with Pure not being stupid and losing to that all-in and you'd see how Pure has like 2X the food of Calm in another 4 or 5 minutes No fucking shit. Obviously if a player fails an all-in, the other player will have a huge advantage 5 minutes later. Ugh obviously my point is that if Calm doesn't do the all-in (which is not a legit counter if the Protoss is not stupid ... it was completely blockable by Pure ... how about you cut two Probes and delay your Archives) then in THAT case Pure is insurmountably ahead in another few minutes. Cut two probes and do what? Put 3 cannons in each minline and lose to 2 hatch hydra or 2 hatch standard? what the fuck is a 2 hatch standard against 2 base protoss Jaedong vs Movie @ Byzantium 3 LOL? A build being used once does not make it standard.
His wording could be better but 2hat lair spire works just fine against FE Protoss.
It just requires more management than the 3hat spire standard of today but still leads to same thing in the end.
Hm, I wish I could remember the other game where JD used it. Fuck.
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On December 18 2009 23:04 trucane wrote:
I personally find it pretty funny seeing a lower tier player winning with just 1 type of unit. I mean even I who is horrible at SC knows that there is always a counter. The real question is why he kept producing the unit combo he did instead of something more effective.
The map is good for it. Mobility is key, hence why stork tried sair/reaver in the first place. If Zerg has air control its not possible to secure the outside expansions.
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Dammit Zero, now is not the time to go into one of your slumps...
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On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:
In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned.
BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness.
Which makes Shine's play gay.
And you wrong for saying otherwise.
So a player that's not a big name can't produce "jaw-dropping, amazing plays"?
Yarnc/Type-B are not apt comparisons at all. When they went into OSL, they were known quantities; they'd been around long enough for people to know what they were capable of, so complaining about them getting that far and making for boring sets was a fair complaint. Shine is new though. People don't know what he can do yet, and I'd say that it's overly hasty to think that just because he's new, he's incapable of producing the amazing games you're looking for.
Every S-class player was in this phase before. Bisu was another protoss for Savior to stomp before he became the Revolutionist. Flash was known for cheese before he was known as the Little Monster. Jaedong was the Legend Killer before he was the Tyrant.
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On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise.
To sum this up.
Shine is winning, and thats WRONG.
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On December 19 2009 01:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. Someone didn't watch Shine vs Violet.
That was the best game of 2009 and the pimpest play of 2009, but who wants to watch a final match in MSL ro64 between 2 non top 20 kespa players
Game quality is not measured by the names that are playing but how well they are playing in the game, thats all that matters. Everyone had to start up somewhere too, you just dont pop into the scene and become a big name with a million fanboys
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On December 19 2009 02:16 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. To sum this up. Shine is winning, and thats WRONG.
I couldn't agree more 
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On December 19 2009 02:24 HnR)hT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 02:16 PanN wrote:On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. To sum this up. Shine is winning, and thats WRONG. I couldn't agree more
I don't mind shine beating on others, but beating on my stork is wrong!
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On December 19 2009 02:20 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 01:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. Someone didn't watch Shine vs Violet. That was the best game of 2009 and the pimpest play of 2009, but who wants to watch a final match in MSL ro64 between 2 non top 20 kespa players Game quality is not measured by the names that are playing but how well they are playing in the game, thats all that matters. Everyone had to start up somewhere too, you just dont pop into the scene and become a big name with a million fanboys
Iloveoov! Granted he didnt have many fans, everyone seemed to hate him in fact, but he came out guns blazing laying waste to everyone in his way. (Iv always loved him tho, the greatest BW player ever)
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On December 19 2009 02:42 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 02:20 samachking wrote:On December 19 2009 01:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. Someone didn't watch Shine vs Violet. That was the best game of 2009 and the pimpest play of 2009, but who wants to watch a final match in MSL ro64 between 2 non top 20 kespa players Game quality is not measured by the names that are playing but how well they are playing in the game, thats all that matters. Everyone had to start up somewhere too, you just dont pop into the scene and become a big name with a million fanboys Iloveoov! Granted he didnt have many fans, everyone seemed to hate him in fact, but he came out guns blazing laying waste to everyone in his way. (Iv always loved him tho, the greatest BW player ever)
Jaedong too, he never had a weak period.
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Shine is a baller, just sayin'
As a huge Stork fan, I'm pretty unsatisfied with these results though  , a Flash versus Movie finals would be pretty sick to be honest.
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On December 19 2009 02:56 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 02:42 Oystein wrote:On December 19 2009 02:20 samachking wrote:On December 19 2009 01:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. Someone didn't watch Shine vs Violet. That was the best game of 2009 and the pimpest play of 2009, but who wants to watch a final match in MSL ro64 between 2 non top 20 kespa players Game quality is not measured by the names that are playing but how well they are playing in the game, thats all that matters. Everyone had to start up somewhere too, you just dont pop into the scene and become a big name with a million fanboys Iloveoov! Granted he didnt have many fans, everyone seemed to hate him in fact, but he came out guns blazing laying waste to everyone in his way. (Iv always loved him tho, the greatest BW player ever) Jaedong too, he never had a weak period.
Jaedong was a PL beast for a long time before he started winning SLs, Oov came straight out and started winning them directly.
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On December 19 2009 02:56 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 02:42 Oystein wrote:On December 19 2009 02:20 samachking wrote:On December 19 2009 01:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 19 2009 01:38 Kazius wrote:On December 18 2009 22:51 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like Shine completely outplaying Bisu Stork Effort and Fantasy do to them playing like shit is considered as Shine playing gay ? You guys should stop whining Shine is a solid player and If anything i would be pissed as fuck if Fantasy was in the Ro8 with the way he is playing . In the OSL we don't want "solid" players. We want the people capable of jaw-dropping, amazing plays. Stork is. Shine isn't. Fantasy is (despite being terrible a lot of the time), Bisu is, and EffOrt is. That's why Shine is getting bashed. He may be doing the right thing from his/his fans' perspective, and no one is saying his victories weren't earned. BUT no one wants a type-b/yarnc semi again. And each win of Shine, we're one step closer to that kind of gayness. Which makes Shine's play gay. And you wrong for saying otherwise. Someone didn't watch Shine vs Violet. That was the best game of 2009 and the pimpest play of 2009, but who wants to watch a final match in MSL ro64 between 2 non top 20 kespa players Game quality is not measured by the names that are playing but how well they are playing in the game, thats all that matters. Everyone had to start up somewhere too, you just dont pop into the scene and become a big name with a million fanboys Iloveoov! Granted he didnt have many fans, everyone seemed to hate him in fact, but he came out guns blazing laying waste to everyone in his way. (Iv always loved him tho, the greatest BW player ever) Jaedong too, he never had a weak period. sept against toss
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On December 19 2009 02:56 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2009 02:42 Oystein wrote:
Iloveoov! Granted he didnt have many fans, everyone seemed to hate him in fact, but he came out guns blazing laying waste to everyone in his way. (Iv always loved him tho, the greatest BW player ever) Jaedong too, he never had a weak period.
Iloveoov rode in on the Boxer train. There's really nothing comparable to that. I guess you could say Fantasy was sort of like that, except oov didn't start pitching Fantasy until after he made his name known in Incruit.
Jaedong before he won his OSL was pretty weak in ZvP. He'd made some individual leagues (there's some Jaedong v Savior set from 2006 on youtube), but generally was known for being Oz's option for vT and vZ in proleague.
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