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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
On December 19 2009 10:59 RowdierBob wrote: Flash's TvZ is amazingly strong. I think his big weakness though is when he sends that small unit of mnms out to snipe the third gas expo. If Jaedong took that unit out with his inital 9 muta and 12 ling instead of going to the counter at his main it would've set him up much better for the mid game imo. It's good to see him going back to 3-hatch muta though. Instead of making 3 sunkens, made more lings, he could have done very well. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13291 Posts
On December 19 2009 11:03 Shikyo wrote: I think that vs Flash-style play you really can't go 3-hatch mutalisk... it's like a direct counter. JD really should stick to 2-hatch :/ Hrmm, I tend to go the other way. Flash's muta defense is so strong that I think JD is better playing 3-hatch and setting himself up (economically) for stronger mid-game play. Flash loves to poke out early with little MnM groups to snipe 3rd gas expos and a 3-hatch muta ling could exploit this imo. | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
2:58 it's Richard! | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
> <;; -sigh- and stork lost... oh man | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On December 19 2009 10:51 Shikyo wrote: Honestly, this wouldn't make any sense to me. 3 rax has been the standard in TvZ and it's the least rax that I've seen before factory for a long, long time in progames. Sometimes players go for 4 or 5 rax early on, but being surprised by 3 rax just makes little to no sense. This and Flash has been using that exact same build for the past 10 TvZs. | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
On December 19 2009 10:59 RowdierBob wrote: Flash's TvZ is amazingly strong. I think his big weakness though is when he sends that small unit of mnms out to snipe the third gas expo. If Jaedong took that unit out with his inital 9 muta and 12 ling instead of going to the counter at his main it would've set him up much better for the mid game imo. It's good to see him going back to 3-hatch muta though. Have you watched Flash vs Effort on HBR? It was one of the first times Flash used his new map control midgame. Effort went for the group of m&m which was roaming, but all that did was buy Flash time to fully fortify his base without sacrificing economy. What I really love about Flash's new play is that it is so dominating on current maps for the same reason that Z>>P on most current maps. After seeing so many Toss get smashed trying to get up a 3rd, it's deeply satisfying to watch a Zerg struggle to get a base down. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On December 19 2009 08:53 Hinanawi wrote: Where are the 'up-and-coming' Terrans these days? We've seen so many Protoss and ESPECIALLY so many Zerg players rising up and making names for themselves lately, but the Terran race seems really stagnant, with just the old guard holding everything up. lol? Since when was Flash old guard. He's only been around for a few years man. If it was FBH/Iris/Sea/Hwasin tearing it up, I could see an argument for stagnation but stop acting like Flash is some old grizzled veteran. Him and Fantasy are still both youngins. And Baby's up and coming! And that TurN was looking hot vs Bisu the other night! | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On December 19 2009 12:37 StorkHwaiting wrote: lol? Since when was Flash old guard. He's only been around for a few years man. If it was FBH/Iris/Sea/Hwasin tearing it up, I could see an argument for stagnation but stop acting like Flash is some old grizzled veteran. Him and Fantasy are still both youngins. And Baby's up and coming! And that TurN was looking hot vs Bisu the other night! Well, I meant relatively. Flash has been tearing stuff up for 2 years now. Zerg and Protoss have a lot of promising proteges (especially Zerg), Terran's crop of newcomers just doesn't match up to the other two races'. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 19 2009 03:37 FireGuyX wrote: Shine hasn't shown me anything that he's S-Class, and lol he's not another Bisu, Flash, or Jaedong. I would put Calm, Effort, Zero, and Jaedong ahead of Shine when it comes to the top zergs. He might get to the round 4, but his winning ways will end there. You don't have to be a hated player to be some up and comer. I don't mean to imply that I think Shine will ever be S-class. I mentioned it since the assumption was made that S-class players by default produce better sets than non-S-class players, and that's simply not the case. Some of Jaedong/Flash/Bisu's best games were produced when they were still up-and-coming. Up-and-coming players can certainly show very entertaining games. This. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
![[image loading]](/staff/MrHoon/Ra_and_Flash.jpg) omg come back ra T_T KTF misses you Feels so nice to see rA with Flash x.x | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 19 2009 15:32 MrHoon wrote: YAY! omg come back ra T_T KTF misses you Feels so nice to see rA with Flash x.x Holy shit <3 Ra looks so proud. :3 | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On December 19 2009 12:30 Orbifold wrote: Have you watched Flash vs Effort on HBR? It was one of the first times Flash used his new map control midgame. Effort went for the group of m&m which was roaming, but all that did was buy Flash time to fully fortify his base without sacrificing economy. What I really love about Flash's new play is that it is so dominating on current maps for the same reason that Z>>P on most current maps. After seeing so many Toss get smashed trying to get up a 3rd, it's deeply satisfying to watch a Zerg struggle to get a base down. That game vs type-b comes to mind where flash amassed something like 50 m&ms. Then again, he went from some weird ultra build there. I have seen a few games (most with 2 hatch openings) where some of the zerg's he was facing threw away some sort of clear advantage in the midgame because of a bad flank or over-aggressiveness (looking at you kwanro), and JD wouldn't have made the same mistakes they made. Anyways, I think overall a 3 hatch build makes sense, and it makes you wonder how the game would've turned out if JD had made more lings than sunkens and taken out that initial group of m&m's with muta-ling. He suicided so many things for absolutely nothing with his desperate backstabs. | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On December 16 2009 18:21 meegrean wrote: Flash will get raped by Jaedong. Flash made Jaedong cry o.O | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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