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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 20 2009 04:01 GMT
#1761
Just rewatched JD vs Flash (Klazart commentated it, I had to watch :D), and I can't remember last time I saw JD get so humiliated in straight up play. Flash was just on a completely different level in every aspect of the game.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Draffut
Profile Joined July 2009
United States128 Posts
December 20 2009 05:53 GMT
#1762
Yay, mass OP-alisks to kill Stork.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
December 20 2009 06:43 GMT
#1763
On December 20 2009 10:06 Hinanawi wrote:
I figured out how Flash rolled JD so easily, I'm surprised I didn't notice it before, it was so simple.

1:08 in this video:


Ah, of course. He got his eye-twitching-robot-activation powers back I see. Everything makes sense now.
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Lurker87
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 09:22:13
December 20 2009 07:50 GMT
#1764
My favorite matchup for finals? Stork v Jaedong or Movie v Jaedong. Movie has been my favorite protoss player for a little while. I enjoy his micro, when he actually pays attention, and the only match he has disappointed me was when he played vs Hiya. Jaedong is a bit prone to cheese, and so I think Movie may get 1 or, if he's lucky, 2 wins vs Jaedong, but he wouldn't win.

If Jaedong doesn't make it, I want it to be Shine, because I just love any zerg player who isn't afraid to use mass guards (of course, his mass muta play is a clone of Jaedong's). I think he has the ability, but I still prefer Jaedong over him. As it is, I think Flash is going to finish off Jaedong. Terran seem to be Jaedong's biggest weakness.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
December 20 2009 08:31 GMT
#1765
ಠ_ಠ

It's going to be hard for someone to take care of Flash for Jaedong, since Flash is playing Jaedong now, in the quarterfinals . See the first post in this thread, or many of the ones after that
Lurker87
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 09:10:14
December 20 2009 09:03 GMT
#1766

For some reason I was thinking it was a round-robin of sorts, and they each played each other, meaning he could lose his games vs one of the other players, since he's already beaten Jaedong once. It is so weird for me to watch the matches on different days now, since I usually have to watch the whole tourney over a weekend (school is over, so now I can catch up on the live matches).

If it was a round-robin, then someone else could take care of Flash, but since it will just be Jaedong, then I retract my statement from before, and say good luck Jaedong.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 09:43:56
December 20 2009 09:42 GMT
#1767
On December 20 2009 18:03 Lurker87 wrote:

For some reason I was thinking it was a round-robin of sorts, and they each played each other, meaning he could lose his games vs one of the other players, since he's already beaten Jaedong once. It is so weird for me to watch the matches on different days now, since I usually have to watch the whole tourney over a weekend (school is over, so now I can catch up on the live matches).

If it was a round-robin, then someone else could take care of Flash, but since it will just be Jaedong, then I retract my statement from before, and say good luck Jaedong.


Have you actually watched some of Flash's games over the last few weeks? No one can take care of Flash these days. Not in a BoX and certainly not in some kind of round-robin cause that'd mean Flash actually had to lose to more than one guy.

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Lurker87
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 09:57:07
December 20 2009 09:55 GMT
#1768
On December 20 2009 18:42 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:03 Lurker87 wrote:

For some reason I was thinking it was a round-robin of sorts, and they each played each other, meaning he could lose his games vs one of the other players, since he's already beaten Jaedong once. It is so weird for me to watch the matches on different days now, since I usually have to watch the whole tourney over a weekend (school is over, so now I can catch up on the live matches).

If it was a round-robin, then someone else could take care of Flash, but since it will just be Jaedong, then I retract my statement from before, and say good luck Jaedong.


Have you actually watched some of Flash's games over the last few weeks? No one can take care of Flash these days. Not in a BoX and certainly not in some kind of round-robin cause that'd mean Flash actually had to lose to more than one guy.



Well, my main line of thinking was that Movie could possibly have beat him with cheese (debatable, but he does love his cheese), since I think in a straight up match, Flash would own him completely. From there, I'd say it'd have to be a matter of luck, because Flash is by far the best among all the current players. All the players I used to see dominating every single game aren't doing as well as they used to (looking at Bisu and Jaedong here)m, so there isn't as much opposition for Flash. Normally I'd say Jaedong would be the one to take someone down, but he has the worst luck against good Terran players, especially vs a good MnM.

I guess I just like Jaedong because he was the original player who I started watching and that was what got me into watching Korean progaming.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 20 2009 11:05 GMT
#1769
On December 20 2009 18:55 Lurker87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 18:42 Mooncat wrote:
On December 20 2009 18:03 Lurker87 wrote:

For some reason I was thinking it was a round-robin of sorts, and they each played each other, meaning he could lose his games vs one of the other players, since he's already beaten Jaedong once. It is so weird for me to watch the matches on different days now, since I usually have to watch the whole tourney over a weekend (school is over, so now I can catch up on the live matches).

If it was a round-robin, then someone else could take care of Flash, but since it will just be Jaedong, then I retract my statement from before, and say good luck Jaedong.


Have you actually watched some of Flash's games over the last few weeks? No one can take care of Flash these days. Not in a BoX and certainly not in some kind of round-robin cause that'd mean Flash actually had to lose to more than one guy.



I guess I just like Jaedong because he was the original player who I started watching and that was what got me into watching Korean progaming.


Jaedong is doing great, he was on an 11-game winning streak before he lost to Flash.

If you want someone to 'take care' of Flash, it's got to be Protoss.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
imbecile
Profile Joined October 2009
563 Posts
December 20 2009 15:18 GMT
#1770
On December 20 2009 14:53 Draffut wrote:
Yay, mass OP-alisks to kill Stork.


I'm still gonna maintain that all Stork would have to do to win was trade two HTs for a Dark Archon. Then Shine would have to choose between engaging Storks army and losing his, or not engaging Storks army and losing his bases. That's the problem with one unit armies.

But for some reason Stork didn't think of it or thought spending 8 storms while losing the HTs was more cost effective.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 18:25:51
December 20 2009 18:22 GMT
#1771
OK. Stop arguing. Jaedong got raped. That is all. If you watched Jaedong v.s. Bisu BO5 of that GOM special event, you would see that these players are playing at such a level, one single mistake from one of the players would turn the game into a one sided rape. So this one game doesn't mean much. Jaedong will practice and he will definitely hold out against Flash longer next time.

With that said, I very much doubt that Jaedong will win, because I personally have NEVER seen TvZ of this level before Flash started his streak. I remember thinking Iris v.s. Savior was the highest level of TvZ can ever go. I was wrong. That game a worse rape than anything from Jaedong v.s. Bisu BO5 with the exception of the infamous 5th round.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 20 2009 18:41 GMT
#1772
On December 20 2009 16:50 Lurker87 wrote:
My favorite matchup for finals? Stork v Jaedong or Movie v Jaedong. Movie has been my favorite protoss player for a little while. I enjoy his micro, when he actually pays attention, and the only match he has disappointed me was when he played vs Hiya. Jaedong is a bit prone to cheese, and so I think Movie may get 1 or, if he's lucky, 2 wins vs Jaedong, but he wouldn't win.

If Jaedong doesn't make it, I want it to be Shine, because I just love any zerg player who isn't afraid to use mass guards (of course, his mass muta play is a clone of Jaedong's). I think he has the ability, but I still prefer Jaedong over him. As it is, I think Flash is going to finish off Jaedong. Terran seem to be Jaedong's biggest weakness.


Shine would not stand a snowball's chance in hell vs Flash in the finals. Shine really should not advance. It would ruin this OSL 100%. Either him vs JD or vs Flash. Both scenarios would be a disaster. Stork is by FAR a more interesting opponent.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
December 21 2009 06:55 GMT
#1773
On December 21 2009 03:41 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 16:50 Lurker87 wrote:
My favorite matchup for finals? Stork v Jaedong or Movie v Jaedong. Movie has been my favorite protoss player for a little while. I enjoy his micro, when he actually pays attention, and the only match he has disappointed me was when he played vs Hiya. Jaedong is a bit prone to cheese, and so I think Movie may get 1 or, if he's lucky, 2 wins vs Jaedong, but he wouldn't win.

If Jaedong doesn't make it, I want it to be Shine, because I just love any zerg player who isn't afraid to use mass guards (of course, his mass muta play is a clone of Jaedong's). I think he has the ability, but I still prefer Jaedong over him. As it is, I think Flash is going to finish off Jaedong. Terran seem to be Jaedong's biggest weakness.


Shine would not stand a snowball's chance in hell vs Flash in the finals. Shine really should not advance. It would ruin this OSL 100%. Either him vs JD or vs Flash. Both scenarios would be a disaster. Stork is by FAR a more interesting opponent.


QFT, Flash would just walk all over Shine and people would complain that he had an easy OSL. And they'd be right (except the quarters vs Jaedong and possibly the semis vs Calm). The only opponent on the far side of the bracket who could challenge Flash is Stork.

Flash vs Shine would be a joke.
Flash vs Movie would be a joke.
Flash vs Zero would be entertaining, but still basically a walk in the park for Flash.
Flash vs Stork would be mindfuckingbogglingly epic and it's the best finals anyone can hope for with the possible exception of Jaedong vs Stork.

I like how someone earlier in the thread said that Jaedong "sometimes" loses the first game of a series... made me lol
May the BeSt man win.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 21 2009 11:38 GMT
#1774
I don't see how anyone could possibly think Shine would win a Bo5 against Flash. Shine's stupid style of ''I'm going to make only mutalisks (or whatever unit he picks for the day) and hope my opponent doesn't know how to counter them'' would be raped so hard by Flash's game sense and imba scouting skills.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
December 21 2009 11:47 GMT
#1775
On December 21 2009 20:38 Holgerius wrote:
I don't see how anyone could possibly think Shine would win a Bo5 against Flash. Shine's stupid style of ''I'm going to make only mutalisks (or whatever unit he picks for the day) and hope my opponent doesn't know how to counter them'' would be raped so hard by Flash's game sense and imba scouting skills.


Although I'm as big of a fan of flash as the next guy, and I agree with you that Shine would get raped by flash, I also have huge admiration and respect of Stork as a player as well. He also makes the very very best decisions. All his silver jokes aside, he has been, and still is one of the best protoss players ever.

What you've just said is truly undermining stork's decision making and game sense. You've basically said that he "doesn't know how to counter" mutalisks, which I have to disagree. I'm sure Stork knew what he was doing as well. It just wasn't his day...

Also, shine is becoming a pretty damn good player.. I wouldn't write him off just yet...

I wouldn't be surprised if Shine wins against Stork, then wins vs either movie/zero, and meets flash in the final.
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 11:52:30
December 21 2009 11:52 GMT
#1776
People should realize: the game would have been different if Jaedong decided to deal with the mm army that was roamign around the map rather than try to counter flash's base. After Jaedong failed to do any damage with the counter, Jaedong already lost because he can't get his third up unless Flash screws up big time (like ddint scout or suicide marines). If Jaedong took care of the army roaming around the map, get his third, and then camped lurkers until defilers, he would have had a much higher chance of winning. Heck, maybe he would have won the game.
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
December 21 2009 12:22 GMT
#1777
On December 21 2009 00:18 imbecile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 14:53 Draffut wrote:
Yay, mass OP-alisks to kill Stork.


I'm still gonna maintain that all Stork would have to do to win was trade two HTs for a Dark Archon. Then Shine would have to choose between engaging Storks army and losing his, or not engaging Storks army and losing his bases. That's the problem with one unit armies.

But for some reason Stork didn't think of it or thought spending 8 storms while losing the HTs was more cost effective.


No way. Mutas have ridiculous amount of mobility. All Shine would have to do is fly away, and destroy Stork's expansions. Stork was also on 2 gas the whole game. Had he been on 3 gas, then all he really would've had to have done is mass corsairs, which is a lot less fragile then relying on one dark archon.

One tech switch would've also done it. From mutas to mass hydras. DA are great for mutas which clump together, but mass hydra would own Stork's dragoon/archon army
imbecile
Profile Joined October 2009
563 Posts
December 21 2009 16:52 GMT
#1778
On December 21 2009 21:22 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2009 00:18 imbecile wrote:
On December 20 2009 14:53 Draffut wrote:
Yay, mass OP-alisks to kill Stork.


I'm still gonna maintain that all Stork would have to do to win was trade two HTs for a Dark Archon. Then Shine would have to choose between engaging Storks army and losing his, or not engaging Storks army and losing his bases. That's the problem with one unit armies.

But for some reason Stork didn't think of it or thought spending 8 storms while losing the HTs was more cost effective.


No way. Mutas have ridiculous amount of mobility. All Shine would have to do is fly away, and destroy Stork's expansions. Stork was also on 2 gas the whole game. Had he been on 3 gas, then all he really would've had to have done is mass corsairs, which is a lot less fragile then relying on one dark archon.

One tech switch would've also done it. From mutas to mass hydras. DA are great for mutas which clump together, but mass hydra would own Stork's dragoon/archon army


Yes, Shines only hope would have been to try to turn this game into a death race of who destroys the others bases faster. And in that case protoss ground army > zerg muta army.

And a tech switch is only possible if you free up all that supply by getting rid of the mutas. Which means either Shine would not have any army for a while, because he lost it, which is gg, or he gradually reduces the muta count, which means his chances to win at destroying the base faster get even worse.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 18:05:30
December 21 2009 17:58 GMT
#1779
It would be pretty interesting what kind of new nickname that Shine would get if Shine 2-0 Stork after 2-1 Bisu. But I do NOT want that to happen.

Stork, u gotta make it, man!

Edit: Oops
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 21 2009 18:02 GMT
#1780
On December 22 2009 02:58 dukethegold wrote:
It would be pretty interesting what kind of new nickname that Shine would get if Shine 2-0 Stork after 2-0 Bisu. But I do NOT want that to happen.

Stork, u gotta make it, man!


it was 2-1 shine vs bisu btw
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