EPTOn November 27 2009 20:39 FireGuyX wrote:
Type-B was too busy defending his natural.
Type-B was too busy defending his natural.
a-move doesn't take more than a second
and don't forget that type-b put the guardians ON HOLD
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
a-move doesn't take more than a second and don't forget that type-b put the guardians ON HOLD | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
So why do you think Type-B just froze up? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
holy fuck | ||
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meeple
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:40 FireGuyX wrote: So why do you think Type-B just froze up? because he's bad | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:41 konadora wrote: next week, Stork vs Flash holy fuck as in fuck yeah | ||
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13077 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:41 konadora wrote: next week, Stork vs Flash holy fuck Best protoss vs best terran will be amazing ! | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:40 konadora wrote: a-move doesn't take more than a second and don't forget that type-b put the guardians ON HOLD Well, don't zergs always hold their guardians so they don't get in range of opposing units? type-b definitely showed bad multi-tasking, but can you blame him when he needs constant swarms and troop transportation just to not have Stork's entire army ram into his base? | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Incredible, confident play from Stork. For a few moments there, I thought he was fucked, as I sat there thinking, "Fuck, another gay turtle zerg". But damn did he prove me wrong there. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
maybe Type-B was anticipating sairs or other units in Stork's base. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
It's gonna be so great to see Stork vs Flash next week, they're the hottest players on the scene at the moment IMO. It's gonna be so epic that it almost deserves it's own hype thread. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:41 konadora wrote: next week, Stork vs Flash holy fuck | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
* Actually putting up some defenses in case of a potential hydra all-in * Actually leaving some units with his expansions as they go up, to hold off the inevitable ling+muta raids * Actually getting reavers (and not rushing in with mass zealots or whatever it is other protosses enjoy doing) as soon as the zerg goes into turtle mode | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
And I think Type-B's guardians were being used effectively. Their point was to deny eco, not go on some scorched earth campaign through Stork's base. The guardians had nothing to scout for them. You can't expect Type-B to send them blind roaming through Stork's base. At any moment, a group of goons could come out and rape them. Type-B had them sweep the mineral line and then focus the gas. They did their job disabling two of Stork's expos. It's not like they would have done much more than knock out a nex that already had no probes mining from it. He had a lot more important things to do and the guardians were better off staying there denying rather than risk losing them for the sake of an inactive nex. And later on, Type-B DID bring back his guardians to try to snipe reavers. They got 2 reavers but were utterly raped by goons in the attempt. And getting more guardians would never have won Type-B the game. Burning that much gas on a unit with such a small timing window of usefulness is not a good idea. GL defending vs Stork's mass speed shuttles with guardians. | ||
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:44 Roffles wrote: Man, Stork played incredibly. Enough to warrant his status as the best protoss right now. Bisu's PvZ just isn't up to par these days, but Stork has proven that he has what it takes to hang with the swarm these days. Incredible, confident play from Stork. For a few moments there, I thought he was fucked, as I sat there thinking, "Fuck, another gay turtle zerg". But damn did he prove me wrong there. Agreed, I'll work on that | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:53 okum wrote: I felt as if Stork won just by doing basic unstupid things that every other protoss player seems to screw up these days: * Actually putting up some defenses in case of a potential hydra all-in * Actually leaving some units with his expansions as they go up, to hold off the inevitable ling+muta raids * Actually getting reavers (and not rushing in with mass zealots or whatever it is other protosses enjoy doing) as soon as the zerg goes into turtle mode Wrong. He put up defenses AFTER he scouted the hydra all-in with his corsair. Half the reason he was able to scout it was because of how much he delayed Type-B at the start with probe harass and pylon at nat. Type B's first hatch was finishing same time as Stork's. And Stork had better probe saturation for another minute afterward. For a hanbang like that, every second counts and Type-B was way behind. Normally, Stork wouldn't have scouted it until it was already at his base and Type-B would have had 1-2 more hydras there. And then Stork had the balls to push out with 3 zlots and just wave back the hydras, buying Stork another 10-15 seconds for his cannons to warp in. It's all about the timing, something your analysis doesn't seem to grasp. On guarding expos, you really think all the other pro toss players are just too dumb to guard their base?? Think about what's going on during that crucial time period between first and second expo. Templars just coming out, vulnerable to mutas and waiting for storm. Toss is low on minerals due to teching + needing to mass or harass strat to stop ling runbys, 3 hatch hydra all-ins, or 5 hatch hydra timing, etc etc. Min lines still not cannoned up so vulnerable to mutas. AND the brutal need to get that 2nd expo so these resource issues are alleviated. Yet, if he splits his army and tries to defend nat and second expo, he's vulnerable to zerg pushing with everything at one or the other base. Or sitting back, taking a 4th base, while running muta rape train on templars and main base. In short, you just don't seem to grasp what the problem is. You talk about your list like all a toss has to do is think of the idea and then it's done, when in fact you're talking about 3 things that are extremely hard to pull off in PvZ. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66360 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:53 okum wrote: * Actually getting reavers (and not rushing in with mass zealots or whatever it is other protosses enjoy doing) as soon as the zerg goes into turtle mode this is the key which i've always mentioned whenever i see turtling Zergs about time someone finally did this (although it wasn't "as soon as", he only got reavers after type-b started his 4th gas running) | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On November 27 2009 20:53 StorkHwaiting wrote: And I think Type-B's guardians were being used effectively. Their point was to deny eco, not go on some scorched earth campaign through Stork's base. The guardians had nothing to scout for them. You can't expect Type-B to send them blind roaming through Stork's base. At any moment, a group of goons could come out and rape them. Type-B had them sweep the mineral line and then focus the gas. They did their job disabling two of Stork's expos. It's not like they would have done much more than knock out a nex that already had no probes mining from it. He had a lot more important things to do and the guardians were better off staying there denying rather than risk losing them for the sake of an inactive nex. And later on, Type-B DID bring back his guardians to try to snipe reavers. They got 2 reavers but were utterly raped by goons in the attempt. And getting more guardians would never have won Type-B the game. Burning that much gas on a unit with such a small timing window of usefulness is not a good idea. GL defending vs Stork's mass speed shuttles with guardians. QFT. The guardians had a purpose with being on hold. Stork would when the times was right invest in corsairs and clean it up. He simply decided to give his push forward priority. Great game and go Stork! Can't wait for Stork v. Flash! | ||
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