Sick sick TvZ. Very similar to Hwasin vs ZerO, mega aggressive terran against a management style zerg. See how far Light can get with almost no medics!
Poll: Who will advance? (Vote): Calm and Light (Vote): Calm and BeSt (Vote): Calm and fOrGG (Vote): Light and BeSt (Vote): Light and fOrGG (Vote): BeSt and fOrGG
Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): Calm (Vote): Light (Vote): BeSt (Vote): fOrGG
Poll: Who will fail the hardest? (Vote): Calm (Vote): Light (Vote): BeSt (Vote): fOrGG (failGG)
I would not be surprised if any 2 players from this group advanced. Light/Calm are obviously the favorites, but don't count out the dual macro machines in ForGG and Best.
lol Stork banner makes me laugh real hard even though this is not the first time i see it ... still too awesome ...
Anyway back on topic,
I'm rooting for Best and Light. I don't like ForGG after his terribad game against Guemchi, I don't think he deserves to qualify. Light on the other hand has been constantly underrated even though he bagged a fuck load of wins last SPL. And Calm, well it's not that I don't like Calm, he's all cool and shit but he's a zerg and he's not Jaedong so please lose Calm.
Srsly, I just posted a link in the livestream with tv.zeroboy.net/waffles just for fun cause it rhymes with Roffles. Turned out that it acctually existed a Waffles-stream, and it just showed 4chan so now I'm perma-banned... FML
Calm with a lot of hydras outside Best's third. Calm refuses to dodge storms leaving a lot of hydras dead. But the hydras just keep rolling in. Doesn't look good for Best.
Best made too many goons i think, therefore his zealot speed was late and hence, hydras raped his third. Got it back though. Hopefully he can keep it up this time.
lurks coming for Calm, Best already has obs. rebuilding third but is up against waaaaaaaaaaaaay to many hydras. Best attacks and Calm counters, Best is going to lose third AGAIN, might take out 4th of calm tho. bad trade.
man fuck. im watching the stream and everything is basically completely even in the game and then my computer randomly fucking restarts and i come back and calm is getting destroyed. wtf
no it wasn't, it was just standard 3 hatch into 5 hat hydra. just without any muta switches. he had a definite advantage but that counter attack failed him lol
On November 26 2009 17:27 Ideas wrote: man fuck. im watching the stream and everything is basically completely even in the game and then my computer randomly fucking restarts and i come back and calm is getting destroyed. wtf
calm went all-in hydra and took out best's third but best backstabbed calm and took everything out with some sick storms
Awesome play from best, but yet again Calm completely fails... This is the level of play and instability I've always "felt" when watching Calm play.. It's abit disapointing, but not really surprising.
no it wasn't, it was just standard 3 hatch into 5 hat hydra. just without any muta switches. he had a definite advantage but that counter attack failed him lol
no it wasn't, it was just standard 3 hatch into 5 hat hydra. just without any muta switches. he had a definite advantage but that counter attack failed him lol
well the lack of mutas meant he had more hydras
yea i know...muta switches are always optional. it just makes protoss spend extra resources on corsairs that don't do anything. in a way, it's a beneficial trade for zerg. it was obviously not an all-in lol. standard 3 hatch->5 hatch play.
On November 26 2009 17:27 Ideas wrote: man fuck. im watching the stream and everything is basically completely even in the game and then my computer randomly fucking restarts and i come back and calm is getting destroyed. wtf
calm went all-in hydra and took out best's third but best backstabbed calm and took everything out with some sick storms
Why the F do you call his build all-in hydra? He played like shit, but he was in no way playing all-in...
no it wasn't, it was just standard 3 hatch into 5 hat hydra. just without any muta switches. he had a definite advantage but that counter attack failed him lol
well the lack of mutas meant he had more hydras
How is that all-in at all? all-in means you sac econ and if you dont do alot of damage you immediately die. 2 hatch/3 hatch hydra break is all in.. not this, esp with 4 bases
no it wasn't, it was just standard 3 hatch into 5 hat hydra. just without any muta switches. he had a definite advantage but that counter attack failed him lol
well the lack of mutas meant he had more hydras
if you dont do alot of damage you immediately die.
On November 26 2009 17:28 ChoBz wrote: why didn't calm just roll best's base with his hydras lol
Best got enough speed lots to hold off the attack I believe. Remember how the retreating hydras got sandwiched in the middle of the map? Yea, that line of zealots could have held off 10 hydras, and lets not forget the canons + more HTs coming out if Calm ever tried to move into Best's base.
no it wasn't, it was just standard 3 hatch into 5 hat hydra. just without any muta switches. he had a definite advantage but that counter attack failed him lol
well the lack of mutas meant he had more hydras
It wasn't really all in since it was a pretty standard 3 hatch -> 5 hatch hydralisks game. I guess he thought he could bust Best down which he blew...I think the hydralisks stopped streaming in after the 2nd batch took down Best's third and he pretty much did nothing.
Plus his attack on Best's third wasn't particularly good as he didn't even bother dodging storms with his first wave and tons of hydralisks just melted at once. And Calm's counter attack/retreat had his hydralisks stuck on the ramp so they couldn't all attack together...
A textbook match showing why you snipe templars when you are against a good protoss player. I knew you weren't good against protoss Calm (lol 50% win rate against Jangbi and 16% win rate against Free...), but you've really disappointed me with your past few games.
On November 26 2009 17:28 ChoBz wrote: why didn't calm just roll best's base with his hydras lol
Calm would have to get through that choke at the nat, his hydras would melt pretty fast.
that would assume that Best had zlots/cannons/templar to defend that choke, which he did not. He had 1 cannon and maybe 6 zlots. Calm coulda eliminated him right there by basekill
On November 26 2009 17:28 ChoBz wrote: why didn't calm just roll best's base with his hydras lol
Calm would have to get through that choke at the nat, his hydras would melt pretty fast.
that would assume that Best had zlots/cannons/templar to defend that choke, which he did not. He had 1 cannon and maybe 6 zlots. Calm coulda eliminated him right there by basekill
Best spammed cannons at his nat after his expo fell.
calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
On November 26 2009 17:28 ChoBz wrote: why didn't calm just roll best's base with his hydras lol
Calm would have to get through that choke at the nat, his hydras would melt pretty fast.
that would assume that Best had zlots/cannons/templar to defend that choke, which he did not. He had 1 cannon and maybe 6 zlots. Calm coulda eliminated him right there by basekill
Best spammed cannons at his nat after his expo fell.
Which is why Best wasn't too worried about defending his main and nat right?
On November 26 2009 17:28 ChoBz wrote: why didn't calm just roll best's base with his hydras lol
Calm would have to get through that choke at the nat, his hydras would melt pretty fast.
that would assume that Best had zlots/cannons/templar to defend that choke, which he did not. He had 1 cannon and maybe 6 zlots. Calm coulda eliminated him right there by basekill
Best spammed cannons at his nat after his expo fell.
My bad, i did not see that. srsly god macro by Best tho. He will definitely play at least 1 game vs terran for shot to advance, gotta like his chances.
On November 26 2009 17:35 jiabung wrote: calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
it's the opposite, best definitely did not timing push, his third was up when he had 3-4 gateways lol.
calm just built a bunch of hydras to try to end the game because he saw best had a small army, he couldn't win the game and just was behind.
standard 5 hatch hydra involves muta and lurker support, and some lings if your opponent's army is goon heavy
On November 26 2009 17:27 psion0011 wrote: Fuck yes, cheap gay boring mass hydra build got demolished.
by cheap gay 1a2a3a4a toss? :p
Seriously, best is the one Protoss i don't want to see win against anyone, never, ever... He's the epitome of boring and uninspired. He's the posterboy of what makes progaming boring sometimes.
On November 26 2009 17:36 nayumi wrote: lol Calm did pick Best for his group as a favor for Best if I remember correctly. Now he must be like "fuck me"...
He did. After Best was tossed around by every zerg player, Calm took him for himself thinking of an easy win.
But it backfired as Best just fucking CRUSHED Calm. Sexy fucking storms.
On November 26 2009 17:35 jiabung wrote: calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
it's the opposite, best definitely did not timing push, his third was up when he had 3-4 gateways lol.
calm just built a bunch of hydras to try to end the game because he saw best had a small army, he couldn't win the game and just was behind.
standard 5 hatch hydra involves muta and lurker support, and some lings if your opponent's army is goon heavy
if timing your attack to coincide with when you have your first observers out does not qualify as a timing attack then what does?
and why did he need observers? o yea, because calm had lurkers too. and mutas switches aren't mandatory, he was probably scared of best massing sairs like he did at the start.
On November 26 2009 17:35 jiabung wrote: calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
it's the opposite, best definitely did not timing push, his third was up when he had 3-4 gateways lol.
calm just built a bunch of hydras to try to end the game because he saw best had a small army, he couldn't win the game and just was behind.
standard 5 hatch hydra involves muta and lurker support, and some lings if your opponent's army is goon heavy
if timing your attack to coincide with when you have your first observers out does not qualify as a timing attack then what does?
and why did he need observers? o yea, because calm had lurkers too. and mutas switches aren't mandatory, he was probably scared of best massing sairs like he did at the start.
timing pushes are way earlier in the game dude, best just saw calm was weak and attacked, end of story
On November 26 2009 17:35 jiabung wrote: calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
it's the opposite, best definitely did not timing push, his third was up when he had 3-4 gateways lol.
calm just built a bunch of hydras to try to end the game because he saw best had a small army, he couldn't win the game and just was behind.
standard 5 hatch hydra involves muta and lurker support, and some lings if your opponent's army is goon heavy
if timing your attack to coincide with when you have your first observers out does not qualify as a timing attack then what does?
and why did he need observers? o yea, because calm had lurkers too. and mutas switches aren't mandatory, he was probably scared of best massing sairs like he did at the start.
timing pushes are way earlier in the game dude, best just saw calm was weak and attacked, end of story
please stop acting like you actually knew something about this game, calling standard 5 hatch hydral all-in
On November 26 2009 17:35 jiabung wrote: calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
it's the opposite, best definitely did not timing push, his third was up when he had 3-4 gateways lol.
calm just built a bunch of hydras to try to end the game because he saw best had a small army, he couldn't win the game and just was behind.
standard 5 hatch hydra involves muta and lurker support, and some lings if your opponent's army is goon heavy
if timing your attack to coincide with when you have your first observers out does not qualify as a timing attack then what does?
and why did he need observers? o yea, because calm had lurkers too. and mutas switches aren't mandatory, he was probably scared of best massing sairs like he did at the start.
timing pushes are way earlier in the game dude, best just saw calm was weak and attacked, end of story
please stop acting like you actually knew something about this game, calling standard 5 hatch hydral all-in
I apologize for the inconvenicne and the mass buffering and dead stream on my part. The streamer I was watching closed his stream and stopped streaming, so I'm rushing to find a replacement one.
On November 26 2009 17:35 jiabung wrote: calm was prepared to play a long macro, late game style best just had a really nice last-ditch timing attack with good storms to somehow completely roll calm. i don't know why you consider standard 5 hatch ALL-IN.. think about those words..
no point in arguing if you don't agree otherwise i guess
it's the opposite, best definitely did not timing push, his third was up when he had 3-4 gateways lol.
calm just built a bunch of hydras to try to end the game because he saw best had a small army, he couldn't win the game and just was behind.
standard 5 hatch hydra involves muta and lurker support, and some lings if your opponent's army is goon heavy
if timing your attack to coincide with when you have your first observers out does not qualify as a timing attack then what does?
and why did he need observers? o yea, because calm had lurkers too. and mutas switches aren't mandatory, he was probably scared of best massing sairs like he did at the start.
timing pushes are way earlier in the game dude, best just saw calm was weak and attacked, end of story
please stop acting like you actually knew something about this game, calling standard 5 hatch hydral all-in
it wasn't standard at all
dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes.
"dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Just stop...
what advantage did calm have by building like a hundred hydras? he wasn't doing anything with his economy or tech
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
.... calm didn't have advantage after wiping out best's entire army + killing the third + forcing many cannons? you are wrong. he refilled his drones at all four bases, and just had to play a little defensive before making the muta switch and sniping the templars. he made an error of throwing away his hydras to counter. he just needed to set up + defend.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
What if I say you're not like the others? What if I you're not just another one, look at your face, you're the pretender. What if I say I'll never surrender.
On November 26 2009 18:04 GTR wrote: What if I say you're not like the others? What if I you're not just another one, look at your face, you're the pretender. What if I say I'll never surrender.
They need to play it often for Forgg, maybe at the end when he wins.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
oh my fucking a. yes his resources went to hydras but he did enough damage with them. destroyed best's goon-based army, killed cannons, and took out the third. he had five hatcheries with four bases incoming. he needed to invest just one cycle into drones and he was economically ahead. does this not make sense for you?
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
yeah, but before he screwed that part up, he was WAY AHEAD of Best. Unless you think 4 base vs 2 isnt advantageous to the Zerg
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
It's hilarious how wrong you are but keep posting, someone making an ass out of himself makes for great between-game entertainment.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
destroyed best's goon-based army
what? you're not telling me best replenished his forces that quickly with so few gateways are you? his whole army was clearly not destroyed
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
destroyed best's goon-based army
what? you're not telling me best replenished his forces that quickly with so few gateways are you? his whole army was clearly not destroyed
are you telling me that best was hiding a secret army to surprise calm instead of defending his third expo? right after best's third went down, best had 6 zealots+1 archon vs all of calm's hydras.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
destroyed best's goon-based army
what? you're not telling me best replenished his forces that quickly with so few gateways are you? his whole army was clearly not destroyed
You definitely underestimate Best's macro. Its pretty much the only thing he does well but he does it so damn well its amazing.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm, he needed to do more damage or transition back into standard play earlier than he did
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
destroyed best's goon-based army
what? you're not telling me best replenished his forces that quickly with so few gateways are you? his whole army was clearly not destroyed
Good god plz shut up. Their are 5 ppl saying how little you understand this game and you still keep fucking posting. BEST IS A MACRO MONSTER, thats how he replenished his units so quickly, its what he does and its why hes a good player. his army was GONE when he lost his third base, like he had under 5 combat units left
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
Because clam WAS way ahead.
hahahaha
he got easily killed by 1a2a3a protoss, something that happens all the time to zergs who are way ahead
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
Because clam WAS way ahead.
hahahaha
he got easily killed by 1a2a3a protoss, something that happens all the time to zergs who are way ahead
He split his army in two, got half on them stormed to death because he failed to dodge, then lost the other half attacking up a tiny ramp. Then lost his reinforcements from a zlot surround. If he consolidated his forces Best woulda been rolled.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
Because clam WAS way ahead.
hahahaha
he got easily killed by 1a2a3a protoss, something that happens all the time to zergs who are way ahead
Are you stupid? Best countered to calm's fourth and abused the high ground and storms to destroy Clam's army. THEN he 1a2a3a all the way down.
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
Because clam WAS way ahead.
hahahaha
he got easily killed by 1a2a3a protoss, something that happens all the time to zergs who are way ahead
On November 26 2009 18:00 jalstar wrote: "dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. he did what he wanted to do with his initial hydras, then simply just fucked up after gaining advantage. it wasn't all in for gods sakes."
calm didn't have any sort of advantage
Are. You. Retarded? Taking out an opponents base that early in the game is a HUGE advantage
normally yes but clearly not for calm
all of his resources went towards the hydra push, it doesn't matter what his opening was.
Hahaha do you know what this unit is?
because there were a lot of them
no there weren't, and besides, i'm talking about how calm spent his resources, not how many he had
i think we are being trolled, this guy cant be real
are you serious?
i'm giving an explanation as to how best won, everyone else was like "whoa great comeback but calm was ahead"
Because clam WAS way ahead.
hahahaha
he got easily killed by 1a2a3a protoss, something that happens all the time to zergs who are way ahead
Are you stupid? Best countered to calm's fourth and abused the high ground and storms to destroy Clam's army. THEN he 1a2a3a all the way down.
calm had hardly any defense there though
whatever, this is pointless, clearly i missed something or someone would be backing me up
Yes, there has not been a single post backing you up. When no one else agrees with you (even if you happen to be right) you are wrong, therefore you are wrong.
On November 26 2009 18:16 jiabung wrote: Yes, there has not been a single post backing you up. When no one else agrees with you (even if you happen to be right) you are wrong, therefore you are wrong.
On November 26 2009 18:17 NovaTheFeared wrote: Biomech isn't a bad play vs. Best. The traditional counters, reaver and storm, are rarely played early by Best. He loves the quick arbiter.
Why is everyone calling it deep 6...its just a 4 rax mnm timing push...theres not even 6 rax..., anywho forgg beat kal with an epic mnm push in the arena msl group stages.
On November 26 2009 18:23 mog87 wrote: Why is everyone calling it deep 6...its just a 4 rax mnm timing push...theres not even 6 rax..., anywho forgg beat kal with an epic mnm push in the arena msl group stages.
it was over as soon as best scouted it, early obs saved him, guess forgg didnt expect early obs vs siege expand, that was the reason for no turrets probably
Interview with Best (Translation by Optical Shot, copied from Roffles Chat)
q: there were risky moments in ur game 1 a: hydras got me by surprise a: when my expo was gone, i was worried a: but i stuck to my upgrades and they paid off
q: but the situation was bad. u trusted ur upgrades? a: yes, the upgrades were the key
q: in ro16, canata stork hwasin (and one more) awaits u a: i just want to avoid canata because we're in same team a: but i'm not afraid of anybody in ro16
q: last word? a: a lot of people bet against me but that motivated me
the way tiffany dresses up in this tell me performance is 'sjkydlfm'.
on topic: forgg's timing attacks will never work when an obs gets to his base in time -_- should have been smart to hide the rines and turret around his base go.go style
On November 26 2009 18:29 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: It is that time again - time for Light to drop another Starleague.
haha so true
and yeah while i think best's pvt is overhyped..i still don't want my precious kt flash to play him. I may not like best but damn he does some good shit
but he'll never be as good as stork/bisu thats for damn sure
Light playing 'badly' as in losing his armies in kind of pathetic ways (shitty wraith control, shitty drops) BUT his aggression has prevented any from Calm + denied fourth gas, while Light has three bases. Looking good.
Light is playing really good . Somehow it looks pretty bad to lose in the group stage if you are the MSL champion . Dissapointing performance by Calm there , but Light played really good .
Calm continued muta play for longer to counter Light's wraiths, but was still denied a fourth gas (and his third delayed quite a bit) so he can't afford enough scourge/lurker/defiler to weather Light's vessel cloud.
On November 26 2009 19:00 Vasoline73 wrote: Bleh. I don't want to be that guy, but Calm has never really impressed me that much. I'm not that surprised he's not advancing.
Shame though as he probably would have given some good games.
calm isn't like luxury though, calm has been good all year and has only dropped his last four. Right? And he's owning proleague even though STX isn't sending him for ace.
Haha wow I felt Calm was a little overrated because we'd basically never seen him play epic late games.
But I didn't think his late game would be THAT obviously worse than the other elite Zergs (Jaedong/Effort/Zero). Not saying Calm is bad, but that was not impressive late game play at all.
On November 26 2009 19:04 darktreb wrote: But I didn't think his late game would be THAT obviously worse than the other elite Zergs (Jaedong/Effort/Zero). Not saying Calm is bad, but that was not impressive late game play at all.
On November 26 2009 19:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On November 26 2009 19:05 Marine50 wrote:
On November 26 2009 19:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On November 26 2009 19:00 jalstar wrote:
On November 26 2009 19:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I like that map. I have a feeling that zergs will not by MSL's End.
if Jaedong wins this msl it'll just be that much more impressive
*shrugs* Anyone but Jaedong, please. Getting bored with his success.
hahaha so am I. We need Flash, ZerO and EffOrt to get some (more in flashes case) golds
Yeah, those are good choices. But even though I hate terrans, I feel we are overdue for a terran champion. If not them, then give me Stork!
I'd be very happy if stork won another gold
Oh, wait, I have to add that July winning would be pretty epic, too. I think a lot of terrans will make it to the Ro16, but better he faces terran than zerg.
On November 26 2009 19:04 darktreb wrote: But I didn't think his late game would be THAT obviously worse than the other elite Zergs (Jaedong/Effort/Zero). Not saying Calm is bad, but that was not impressive late game play at all.
it was pretty sad after seeing zero vs hwasin
Yeah it was bad compered to Zero , but on the other hand Light played better then Hwasin . He was relentless with his harras and puting pressure on Calm's expos middle to late game , but it also has to do something with the map . And unlike what people were stateing yesterday for Fantasy and Flash playing perfect i found Light's performance here much more perfect .
On November 26 2009 19:12 meeple wrote: ForGG's play has been so unorthodox today... makes me his fan again
oO? Did you watch a single game he played in 09? All he has been doing is stupid all in builds everywhere vs every race leaving him with really messed up low econ games which he fails over and over at.
On November 26 2009 19:04 darktreb wrote: Haha wow I felt Calm was a little overrated because we'd basically never seen him play epic late games.
But I didn't think his late game would be THAT obviously worse than the other elite Zergs (Jaedong/Effort/Zero). Not saying Calm is bad, but that was not impressive late game play at all.
Yeah but Light played an awsome game there Calm couldn't keep up with his pressure .
ForGG making cute tank arc across map, Light easy breaks center, goes for a harass drop, loses dropship, more harass on 12 oclock, 12oclock raided! Light taking 4th, ForGG appearing panicked.
Oh my Super Terran, ni shi wo de Terran pro ta kan bu jian ni de mei li, ping fan bei hou de mo li Oh my Super Terran, wo shi ni de super Light ni de yan shen rang wo zhao mi wei le ni wo shen me dou yuan yi
On November 26 2009 19:26 GTR wrote: Song dedicated to Light;
Oh my Super Terran, ni shi wo de Terran pro Oh my Super Terran, you are my Terran pro ta kan bu jian ni de mei li, ping fan bei hou de mo li Oh my Super Terran, wo shi ni de super Light Oh my Super Terran, I’m your super Light ni de yan shen rang wo zhao mi wei le ni wo shen me dou yuan yi
On November 26 2009 19:30 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Look at all the jackasses kicking Calm, ForGG, and Luxury while they're down.
we didn't see calm today. we saw clam.
Clam is a C- zerg who became obsessed with Calm during the avalon msl, going as far as to get plastic surgery to look like him
recently clam kidnapped calm and stole his stx uniform
no one knows except for the ominous EVER OSL statistics graphic. clam wants to be calm, so badly, but he will never pass the c- rank on iccup because he has poor lategame management. hopefully someone will find calm and free him from whatever basement he is trapped in
On November 26 2009 19:15 dl2agon wrote: Calm is so overrated
#2 he had few cute builds last season and beat effort/jd in bo3/5 zvz but other than that i really don't know where the hype came from
zvz is a fickle matchup, even with bo3 and bo5
exactly. and given that both jd and effort had a lot of games to prepare for (at that point of the season i guess they were both playing in the MSL/pro league playoffs and osl(jd)/gomtv(effort)).. i mean it's still impressive, but as u said, it's zvz. his wins against forgg or sea(?), where he won with great builds or decision making were much more impressive imho. but i don't know, he seems to have lost his momentum.
this is not what i expected, BeSt winning a PvZ and against Calm nonetheless! im glad Light didn't lose to forGG twice, that would've been too much for me to take..
Incidentally, anyone remember in the spring when Flash lost to UpMagic, lost to BeSt, lost to Leta in two days and how everyone groused about his schedule?
Okay, it wasn't an ace match... but Calm just pulled a very similar schedule, with the exact same results.
On November 26 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote: Incidentally, anyone remember in the spring when Flash lost to UpMagic, lost to BeSt, lost to Leta in two days and how everyone groused about his schedule?
Okay, it wasn't an ace match... but Calm just pulled a very similar schedule, with the exact same results.
Hmm.
Remember with Flash it was also in the middle of Winners League where Flash was carrying KT. Just hours before losing to Best, he had played four games against estro, nearly all-killing them before suddenly looking vulnerable against Upmagic.
On November 26 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote: Incidentally, anyone remember in the spring when Flash lost to UpMagic, lost to BeSt, lost to Leta in two days and how everyone groused about his schedule?
Okay, it wasn't an ace match... but Calm just pulled a very similar schedule, with the exact same results.
Hmm.
You kind of forgot the part where Flash had to play four games in a row during WL because Luxury was complete fail back then.
On November 27 2009 03:40 MuffinDude wrote: i am surprised that best made it through.
stx is failing now huh ever since they lost to khan.
Really? I figured Calm would 2-0 and Best would 2-0 the Terrans for the 2nd spot. only way i saw him not making it was him losing to Calm twice. If Flash can't beat Best straight up i dont think light or ForGG have much of a shot
On November 26 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote: Incidentally, anyone remember in the spring when Flash lost to UpMagic, lost to BeSt, lost to Leta in two days and how everyone groused about his schedule?
Okay, it wasn't an ace match... but Calm just pulled a very similar schedule, with the exact same results.
Hmm.
You kind of forgot the part where Flash had to play four games in a row during WL because Luxury was complete fail back then.
I didn't say it was the same; just similar. I don't think anyone would dispute that Flash is a better player than Calm. It's just... when JD had to play Calm and fantasy two days in a row, and lost to Calm (looking pretty bad) people made excuses for him (at least after he then beat fantasy). When Flash* dropped a great TvT, a poor game to BeSt, and a series (I honestly don't remember how good or bad it was, but he went 0-2) to Leta, people made excuses for him.
When Calm has to play four games in two days and loses all four (three against fantasy (2nd best T), Light (strong TvZ), and BeSt (who for all his bad rap has looked pretty good recently and is over 50% PvZ)), he sucks.
Calm is not Jaedong. Calm is not Flash. I understand he's not as good and likely never will be. But he is a good player. Yes, Calm has looked bad recently. But this is not the end of Calm. He'll be fine.
And no, Luxury was actually decent then. Yes he lost to hyvaa. Hyvaa is actually good at ZvZ, and was actually looking like a good player for the first time ever. KT made stupid decisions overall sending SaiR (who is bad) and HoeJJa (whose ZvZ is bad) first. Flash beat hyvaa, Really, and SangHo in a combined 35 minutes.
Light wouldnt be invisible if he could match his 60% tvz and his 78% tvt [since 2009] with a strong tvp. Unfortunately his tvp has been as mediocre as ever. :\
On November 27 2009 11:38 yhnmk wrote: Light wouldnt be invisible if he could match his 60% tvz and his 78% tvt [since 2009] with a strong tvp. Unfortunately his tvp has been as mediocre as ever. :\
Every popular terran is turning into the old FBH. Rapes zergs and terrans, gets owned vs. protoss.
On November 27 2009 11:38 yhnmk wrote: Light wouldnt be invisible if he could match his 60% tvz and his 78% tvt [since 2009] with a strong tvp. Unfortunately his tvp has been as mediocre as ever. :\
Every popular terran is turning into the old FBH. Rapes zergs and terrans, gets owned vs. protoss.
No way dude Light's TvP is great man. Did you see his game vs Bisu on outsider?
Great great game that could've gone his way were Bisu NOT the best P in the world
yeah lights capable of strong tvp, he use to have strong tvp and weak tvt...but hes inconsistent. I've seen strong games from him and bad ones. So yeah, I'd call him a weak tvp'er on that alone.
On November 26 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote: Incidentally, anyone remember in the spring when Flash lost to UpMagic, lost to BeSt, lost to Leta in two days and how everyone groused about his schedule?
Okay, it wasn't an ace match... but Calm just pulled a very similar schedule, with the exact same results.
Hmm.
The thing is, Calm's team hardly rides on him as much as Flash's did. STX is undeniably a team with great depth, and while Calm's schedule may be comparable, the amount of pressure in a similar schedule isn't.
Plus, at that point, Flash had already proven himself to be the top Terran. Calm's still a dark horse in a lot of people's minds. A single MSL win doesn't solidify him as an S-class player/
Light is pretty strong all around these days...he carried MBC rounds 2-end and was a beast along with Iris, sc fans here are so fickle and often overhype players and dismiss other players. An example was Iris...who incidentally walked over effort 3-0, and should have been in the MSL finals. Calm didnt really choke...he just let best macro and lost, and Calm losing to Light isnt a suprise at all...as Ive said before Light beats any zerg not named Jaedong, seriously Id put light as a favorite or at worst even MU vs any zerg except for jaedong.
Personally I dont like Calm...but unlike luxury and yarnc he has brains so hes not going anywehere anytime soon.
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