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Netherlands6142 Posts
About a month ago Shauni made it out of the first edition of TeamLiquid Arena alive. This cannot happen. Today we announce TeamLiquid Arena 2. It will not be as easy. This time, the players will be better. This time, the handicaps will be harder. The gloves are off. This time, it’s War.
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Banner by keitPOLL TOPIC
Let’s get right to it. The concept is easy: One superb player faces off versus several newbies, 8 of whom he has to defeat. The catch? After every win he gets one more handicap assigned to hinder his play. We did a previous edition, in the topic of which there are more details. Read it here and read about how that event went here.
Once more, a contestant will enter the Arena and face its horrors. The event will be broadcasted live on the 23RD OF OCTOBER, 22:00 CET (13:00 PST, 16:00 EST, 05:00 KST on Saturday 24th).
Now that we have the official part out of the way, we’re very pleased to announce our contestant. He’s one of the best players from the European StarCraft scene and we’re very happy to have him. We’ll give you a hint first.
TeamLiquid Participation
Players – Once more, we’re calling on the lower ranks to provide us with brave Davids to take on this Goliath. We’re upping the level a bit, allowing D+ to C+ to participate. Post in this topic providing your ICC id, a link to your profile, you rank and your race. Your account will have either finished in the designated rank range or reached it as of yesterday (the day before this post) with a + Show Spoiler [minimum amount of games of] +
C+:110
C : 90
C- : 70
D+: 50
We’ll randomly select 8 people from the ones to sign up within the next 24 hours (to give everyone a chance). After that people wll be added to reserves like last time. We’re initially excluding people who played/failed to show up last time.
Handicaps – Based on our experiences last time we chucked out some handicaps and inserted some new ones. Yes, they are harsh but they’re supposed to be. We’re asking you, TL, to fill in the blanks. Don’t complain about how strong they are – come up with stronger ones! Post your thoughts and we’ll get a poll going again.
+ Show Spoiler [Handicaps] +
Upgrades: No Z Legs // No Goon Range // No Storm // No forge ups
Units/Buildings: No Zealots // No Observers // Gateway cap Max = 5 // Assim cap M=1 // No Shuttles // No (Regular) Archons.
Other: Give vision// Initial Peon Sac // Double Tech // 3x TL Submission
Maps – Maps for this issue will be: + Show Spoiler +- Nostalgia
- Othello
- Rush Hour 3
- Neo Medusa
- Outsider
- Tornado
- Moon Glaive
- TL Pick
Again, one open spot. You know the drill: suggest maps and we’ll poll them.
That’s it for now, the sign-ups are open, the stage is (being) set – We hope you all tune in!
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T_T no love for low player 
Can't wait to see it
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Nice :D ClouD is one of my favourites n_n
Don't have enough games to try participate plus I am not free to do it this weekend (already staying up until a stupid hour to host the Dutch tour anyway -.-) but I will try convince some Aussies to play - SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE SHOW THESE GUYS HOW IT'S DONE.
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Whaat. So I can't play cause I'm too bad? This is gonna backfire. C - C+ is gonna rape Cloud with enough handicaps.. 
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Yeah, I don't see a C+ player losing to Cloud with some of the handicaps.
Cloud is awesome, though, so I'm sure this will be cool!
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iCCup ID: edwin.jung, ASL-kOre, SCm.kOre
Profile Link: edwin.jung ASL-kOre SCm.kOre
Rank: Max D+ / Current D
Race: Protoss
I have 50+ games overall, but I swap accounts alot. Will I still be able to play?
Map: Neo Medusa
Handicap: The opponent could ask Cloud 1 question during the game where he would have to answer truthfully, but it would only be a Yes/No question. An example of this would be something like "Are you going reavers?" or "Did you take an island expansion yet?".
EDIT: I would like to play Cloud first if possible, just want to try out my PvP skills and would like to test it out without handicaps. 
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
Iccup ID: Konata.Izumi
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Konata.Izumi.html
Rank: D+/C-
Race: Terran/Zerg
put me somewhere in the middle of that list :p
Edit:
Map: Holy World
Handicaps:
- 150 psi cap
- 2 expansions (not including main) MAX at a time
- No arbiters
- No photon cannons
- Max mouse sensitivity
- No sound (BGM + unit sounds)
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ah crap.. just saw it's Saturday, I wouldn't be able to paly anyway (I was going to start mass game to reach 50 )
Hope to watch VODs of this !!
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On October 19 2009 23:01 LorDo wrote:Whaat. So I can't play cause I'm too bad? This is gonna backfire. C - C+ is gonna rape Cloud with enough handicaps..
You'd think so.
Been waiting for the second episode of this, too bad i don't get a chance to redeem myself.
I'll resubmit my handicap ideas though: + Show Spoiler +Handicap ideas: - Not allowed to take natural expansion.
- Wait X seconds before starting to play.
- You may only build probes from the Nexus you start with.
- Link: All the buildings you build must be connected (touching one another), first pylon is built right by your first nexus and so on.
- Time trial: If you havent killed your opponent in X minutes you loose.
- Mass transfer: If you choose to transfer probes from one base to another, you must transfer them all.
- Hero unit: If a specific unit dies (first combat unit, first nexus, whatever) you loose.
- Lucky one: Shauni gets to choose which handicap he gets this time.
- Unlucky one: LeperKahn chooses the handicap Shauni gets this time.
- Shuffle: All handicaps are removed, and the same amount+1 new handicaps are added.
- Your opponents plays alongside an AI. (Glitching allowed)
- You cannot warp in buildings in your main.
- +1: Increases the "power" of one of the handicaps you already have. Example: The maximum number of Gateways is reduced to
6 4!
- Audio bugging: (Requires that Shauni is on vent with Leperkahn) Shauni has to answer questions, and do what he is told (unit sounds etc.)
- Let it be: You cannot enter your opponents half of the map until you're atleast at X population.
- Everytime you have a pair of dark/high templars you must merge them into Dark Archons/Archons.
And map vote goes to Monty Hall! (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/163_Monty_Hall_SE)
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Iccup ID: de_inferno
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/de_inferno.html
Rank: Max C+ / Current D (I don't know if this was asking for skill level or actual iccup rank, if it's skill level I'd say C-)
Race: Protoss
I hope the number-of-games thing doesn't have to be all from this season and after resets
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meh i would wanna play but its 7am for me
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Will the mic levels actually be reasonable this time (I like the idea, and was really disappointed that the sound was so bad I couldn't watch last time)
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lol @ going from playing vs D's to playing vs C+... C+ should put up a reasonable fight without handicaps.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
yeeees, another TL arena! hopefully i'll be able to watch this one live also.
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Handicaps?
- No T1 Units (Zeals, Dragoons).
- Only 1 mining base at all times.
- No Shuttles, no Recall.
- No cloaked units and no observers.
- Only ranged units.
- Only melee units.
- No spells.
- No air units.
- You are not allowed to attack an expansion Nexus/CC/Hatchery.
- All your units start with 0 Shield (would need Editor use).
- All your units cost XX% more. (would need Editor use).
- The resources at your starting location are cut by 50%. (would need Editor use).
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Well I suggested until c+ because non-koreans at that rank aren't yet too good, but could still produce interesting stuff. I never played with handicaps though, so I really don't know how hard it could get, but hopefully it will be interesting to play and watch ^^
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Handicaps:
- Have to give your opponent shared vision
- Play with only the mouse (this would be a bit of an "honor system" one, though)
- No scouting with probes (but you can scout with zealots or corsairs or w/e)
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On October 19 2009 23:49 iG.ClouD wrote:
Well I suggested until c+ because non-koreans at that rank aren't yet too good, but could still produce interesting stuff. I never played with handicaps though, so I really don't know how hard it could get, but hopefully it will be interesting to play and watch ^^
If you haven't already you should take a look at the vods from the last episode, so you'll get a look into what the level is.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On October 19 2009 23:40 Try wrote:
lol @ going from playing vs D's to playing vs C+... C+ should put up a reasonable fight without handicaps.
Yeah just like B+ players can roflstomp Jaedong on a good day
wtf?
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If u need reserves, put me on the list.
I did play last time but just in case.
iAmDisco C- Terran
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On October 20 2009 00:00 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2009 23:40 Try wrote:
lol @ going from playing vs D's to playing vs C+... C+ should put up a reasonable fight without handicaps. Yeah just like B+ players can roflstomp Jaedong on a good day wtf?
I said good fight, not rape... And yes, most B+ players have probably taken down a progamer at least once.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On October 19 2009 23:13 FaCE_1 wrote:ah crap.. just saw it's Saturday, I wouldn't be able to paly anyway (I was going to start mass game to reach 50 ) Hope to watch VODs of this !!
Its friday evening/afternoon for Canada
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The time is wrong... CET time doesn't change til sunday. It should either be 23 CET or 16 EST / 13 PST.
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iCCup ID JST-ShaDoW
Profile Link :http:JST-ShaDoW//www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/JST-ShaDoW.html
Rank C-
Race Protoss
Handicaps: Whatever you'd prefer to have, I'll play with whatever ^_^.
Link is sloppy, sorry about that, I don't know how to fix =/
Edit: If possible, I'd like to play a little later on in the list, I have a football game that will make me a bit late for this.
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United States10774 Posts
awesome.
it will be a challenge to beat c+ players with handicaps
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i really like the idea of adding an AI to the newbies side as handicap :D
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On October 20 2009 00:00 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2009 23:49 iG.ClouD wrote:
Well I suggested until c+ because non-koreans at that rank aren't yet too good, but could still produce interesting stuff. I never played with handicaps though, so I really don't know how hard it could get, but hopefully it will be interesting to play and watch ^^ If you haven't already you should take a look at the vods from the last episode, so you'll get a look into what the level is.
And last episode Shauni roflstomped all the contestants without that much problem.
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Braavos36375 Posts
you must build one of each production building before building another one
for example, if you have 1 gate, in order to build a 2nd gate you need to have a stargate and robo, and in order to build a 3rd gate you need to have a 2nd stargate and 2nd robo
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United States4126 Posts
Only allow the use of Zealots/Goons throughout the whole game?
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That would be hillarious! and it's cloud, not shauni XD
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LOL i second that, so good. However, if it is used, it must be used without Cloud knowing (otherwise it's no surprise!)
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On October 20 2009 00:05 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2009 23:13 FaCE_1 wrote:ah crap.. just saw it's Saturday, I wouldn't be able to paly anyway (I was going to start mass game to reach 50 ) Hope to watch VODs of this !! Its friday evening/afternoon for Canada
Is it? Can you plz tell me what time it would be for Saskatchewan, I think I have my time zones a little mixed up.
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Hanicap suggestions:
* Must manner pylon self and leave it there all game
* Must build a Scout before Robotics/Citadel
* Must build a Dark Archon before High Templar
* Must research shield upgrade before any other +1 upgrade
* No scouting with probes
* Must build 2 Forges immediately after building the first one
* Pylons cannot be warped near expos until the Nexus is complete
* Must truthfully answer the first 3 questions an opponent asks (relating to the game)
* First Robotics must always be building shuttles (a second Robo is needed for obs/reavers)
* First Gateway must always be pumping out zealots
* First Starport must always be pumping out corsairs/scouts
* Nexus cap of 2
edit:
I can't play this time.
I'm leaving town saturday.
SOMEONE RECORD THIS!!!
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On October 20 2009 02:56 Trozz wrote:
* Must truthfully answer the first 3 questions an opponent asks (relating to the game)
lol
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On October 20 2009 03:35 GG.Win wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 02:56 Trozz wrote:
* Must truthfully answer the first 3 questions an opponent asks (relating to the game)
lol
? why is this funny? many people have suggested this or similar.
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On October 20 2009 03:44 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 03:35 GG.Win wrote:On October 20 2009 02:56 Trozz wrote:
* Must truthfully answer the first 3 questions an opponent asks (relating to the game)
lol ? why is this funny? many people have suggested this or similar.
"What build order are you using"?
See my point?
It would have to be no / yes questions then.
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On October 20 2009 04:02 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 03:44 Pokebunny wrote:On October 20 2009 03:35 GG.Win wrote:On October 20 2009 02:56 Trozz wrote:
* Must truthfully answer the first 3 questions an opponent asks (relating to the game)
lol ? why is this funny? many people have suggested this or similar. "What build order are you using"? See my point? It would have to be no / yes questions then.
how? one of the other options was shared vision... you're underestimating skill difference
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Hungary11291 Posts
Awesome thing Looking forward to the event.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
About the asking the question thing, having to type a full question would be more of a handicap to the opponent than typing yes/no would be for the player. Doing it on vent wouldn't handicap at all. I like the idea of having questions as well as having the player do something not-starcraft at one point but you'll have to rephrase/add detailto that suggestion for it to become viable.
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On October 20 2009 04:32 Pholon wrote:
About the asking the question thing, having to type a full question would be more of a handicap to the opponent than typing yes/no would be for the player. Doing it on vent wouldn't handicap at all. I like the idea of having questions as well as having the player do something not-starcraft at one point but you'll have to rephrase/add detailto that suggestion for it to become viable.
I think a full question is definitely worth it.
On October 20 2009 04:28 l10f wrote:Can I please play I'm C- with barely 60% win ratio but I've only played about 40 games.
Mass games gogo!
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On October 20 2009 02:46 Sha[DoW] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 00:05 Pholon wrote:On October 19 2009 23:13 FaCE_1 wrote:ah crap.. just saw it's Saturday, I wouldn't be able to paly anyway (I was going to start mass game to reach 50 ) Hope to watch VODs of this !! Its friday evening/afternoon for Canada Is it? Can you plz tell me what time it would be for Saskatchewan, I think I have my time zones a little mixed up.
Should be 14:00 Friday afternoon for Saskwa Saskawa your location. I'm a little fuzzy on the timezones myself tbh ~_~
Just use the Korean time (clock top right).
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map: demon's shiver
handicap: must play windowed mode with the bottom part (the portion with the minimap and unit portrait on it) hanging off the edge of the screen so the player can't see it. or promise to cover that part up with post-it notes.
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Here is an Handicap suggestion:
-No canons-
Simple and cruel.
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ICCup ID: [RUTGERS]Fana-
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/[RUTGERS]Fana-.html
Rank: D+
Race: Protoss
Handicaps:
- Can only destroy enemy support buildings (depot/pylon/overlord) as long as enemy has units (workers included).
- Only buildings he can destroy are nexuses/hatcheries/command centers
- Can only build flying units besides probes
- No obs
- No splash-damage units (archon/reaver/corsair etc.)
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can only build a new pylon when supply limit is reached.
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Handicaps?: (I'll be the one that comes up with the weird ones)
Play with one hand tied behind your back? (depends how honest ClouD is)
Play multiple players at once
Must solve one assigned equation every twenty seconds and type it into the screen
Play zerg and only make drones.
Play terran and only play firebats
Find Waldo 5 times while playing
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MrMoose
Canada176 Posts
Here's a handicap idea:
Must always attack with at least 1 of each unit (even scouts lol)
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
It's your max rank, right? I haven't played that many games this season.. I have another account at D+ atm.
iccup id: mG.infinity
max rank: C-
race: Terran
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On October 20 2009 06:13 Ideas wrote:
can only build a new pylon when supply limit is reached.
Good one!
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg!
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On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg!
Those are terrible. No one would be able to tell if hes doing the first one, and whos gonna count zerglings incinerated by a reaver and then go hurr durr you need to kill 99 probes now.
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On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 06:13 Ideas wrote:
can only build a new pylon when supply limit is reached. Good one! - Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind. - For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg!
are you serious? how the hell is he gonna keep count? If there only was a UMS that did this lol
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On October 20 2009 07:09 never_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:On October 20 2009 06:13 Ideas wrote:
can only build a new pylon when supply limit is reached. Good one! - Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind. - For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! are you serious? how the hell is he gonna keep count? If there only was a UMS that did this lol
At first I was thinking of making it a challenge, that he had to count every unit, for lulz. Then I realized that it'd be easy to just make a counter in the obs UMS version of a map xD. Also, isn't there a command that allows you to see kills in-game? Or is that only kill score? I think it might only be kill score ):
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On October 20 2009 07:38 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 07:09 never_toss wrote:On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:On October 20 2009 06:13 Ideas wrote:
can only build a new pylon when supply limit is reached. Good one! - Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind. - For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! are you serious? how the hell is he gonna keep count? If there only was a UMS that did this lol At first I was thinking of making it a challenge, that he had to count every unit, for lulz. Then I realized that it'd be easy to just make a counter in the obs UMS version of a map xD. Also, isn't there a command that allows you to see kills in-game? Or is that only kill score? I think it might only be kill score ):
On replays there is. Either way lol, this is too hard for anyone to keep up with. Imagine a storm on drone line :S
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On October 20 2009 07:51 never_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 07:38 fanatacist wrote:On October 20 2009 07:09 never_toss wrote:On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:On October 20 2009 06:13 Ideas wrote:
can only build a new pylon when supply limit is reached. Good one! - Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind. - For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! are you serious? how the hell is he gonna keep count? If there only was a UMS that did this lol At first I was thinking of making it a challenge, that he had to count every unit, for lulz. Then I realized that it'd be easy to just make a counter in the obs UMS version of a map xD. Also, isn't there a command that allows you to see kills in-game? Or is that only kill score? I think it might only be kill score ): On replays there is. Either way lol, this is too hard for anyone to keep up with. Imagine a storm on drone line :S
Obviously he would have to consider the consequences of his actions (: Storm 15 drones, kill 5 of your own probes.
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On October 20 2009 07:05 m3rciless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! Those are terrible. No one would be able to tell if hes doing the first one, and whos gonna count zerglings incinerated by a reaver and then go hurr durr you need to kill 99 probes now.
Poll: What should fanatacist evolve?
(Vote): Common sense
(Vote): A brain
(Vote): A Penis
Yah they were pretty crappy but so were some of mine. Looking forward to this event wish I could watch it! Might have to grab the replays.
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The only real change I would like to see to the format is for the player to start out with a handicap- it's just not fun to face them first off with no handicaps at all, for either player. (To compensate for this, I would make it so that the handicaps still max at 8, so that for the last 2 rounds the player has the same handicaps)
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LOOOOOOOL fuckin epik poll
this is so freaking awesome that CLOUD is playing in FF7 based TL Arena
fanboy splooooooooge
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map votes: destination, heartbreak ridge, gods garden, luna,
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On October 20 2009 07:05 m3rciless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! Those are terrible. No one would be able to tell if hes doing the first one, and whos gonna count zerglings incinerated by a reaver and then go hurr durr you need to kill 99 probes now.
You realize you can implement kill counters in UMS maps?
FAIL.
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On October 20 2009 10:59 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 07:05 m3rciless wrote:On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! Those are terrible. No one would be able to tell if hes doing the first one, and whos gonna count zerglings incinerated by a reaver and then go hurr durr you need to kill 99 probes now. You realize you can implement kill counters in UMS maps? FAIL.
I really don't think UMS maps are going to be included, keep it simple.
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On October 20 2009 11:15 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 10:59 fanatacist wrote:On October 20 2009 07:05 m3rciless wrote:On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! Those are terrible. No one would be able to tell if hes doing the first one, and whos gonna count zerglings incinerated by a reaver and then go hurr durr you need to kill 99 probes now. You realize you can implement kill counters in UMS maps? FAIL. I really don't think UMS maps are going to be included, keep it simple.
I'm pretty sure Pholon isn't gonna customize 8 different maps just for the possibility that he'll need one. Maybe once this becomes more of a staple event we'll start implementing things like this.
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On October 20 2009 11:33 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 11:15 iCCup.deL wrote:On October 20 2009 10:59 fanatacist wrote:On October 20 2009 07:05 m3rciless wrote:On October 20 2009 07:01 fanatacist wrote:
- Must cancel every unit (excluding probes) when it is 1/2 done, then rebuild it. If he fails to do so he has to kill that unit and one unit of the same kind.
- For every 3 enemy units killed he has to kill a probe. Good luck vs. Zerg! Those are terrible. No one would be able to tell if hes doing the first one, and whos gonna count zerglings incinerated by a reaver and then go hurr durr you need to kill 99 probes now. You realize you can implement kill counters in UMS maps? FAIL. I really don't think UMS maps are going to be included, keep it simple. I'm pretty sure Pholon isn't gonna customize 8 different maps just for the possibility that he'll need one. Maybe once this becomes more of a staple event we'll start implementing things like this.
Exactly.
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I could do it for you, it takes roughly 2 minutes per map. Just saying. There was really no need to jump on me for it.
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Ideas for handicaps:
- Only allowed to have lvl. 1 upgrades
- Only allowed to have 2 probes max on geysers
- Can't use minimap (Don't know exactly if this is possible)
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what happens if cloud loses? is it over, or does he play another person with the same handicaps?
how are handicaps decided? slot (like ff7)?
suggestions for handicaps:
- nexuses must have zero shield before moving out (or close to zero if they were reducded recently)
- no shuttle speed
- no spells
- must have 5 probes with army
- opponent gets 15 sec head start (amt can be changed)
- nexus light must ALWAYS be on
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handicap suggestions-
-no production/tech buildings behind natural choke.
-play on slowest game-speed setting.
-every pylon/additional nexus must be powered by first pylon.
(think it would be kind of cool, you'd have to have a big chain of pylons to expand a third time)
-psi cap -100
-must mind-controll a probe/drone/scv, before GG.
(and have one alive/have an enemy structure at game end)
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On October 20 2009 16:51 PerksPlus wrote:
handicap suggestions-
-no production/tech buildings behind natural choke.
-play on slowest game-speed setting.
-every pylon/additional nexus must be powered by first pylon.
(think it would be kind of cool, you'd have to have a big chain of pylons to expand a third time)
-psi cap -100
-must mind-controll a probe/drone/scv, before GG.
(and have one alive/have an enemy structure at game end)
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All pylons have to touch your main mineral line (or some variant)
All buildings have to touch each other (kinda similar to the one above but I told it to Pholon before so don't think am blatantly copying )
All of a certain unit must be carried around in a shuttle, for example HTs, DTs, etc. So you have to unload for a battle then reload them just to make him use more micro. If you lose the shuttle maybe you have to keep your unit stationary
One random base chosen at the start, he has to build a pylon there and defend it all game or else suffer some big loss (like halve his population or something).
Has to make a Cookie Monster using units before the end of every game :D A pic of a cookie is also acceptable.
Must get observatory ASAP and constantly pump observers throughout the game. Or the same thing with shuttles if the gas cost is too much with obs.
Whenever the opponent says 'cookie monster' or 'C' (no copy paste spam, C can be for the D+ players because if they have lower APM it will affect them more) ClouD must respond with a quote from the cookie monster or a line from the cookie monster song :D
If there is 'no shuttles', make an island map part of the map pool :D Or perhaps when he draws no shuttles the next map will be an island map n_n
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iCCup ID: ms291052
Profile Link: ms291052
Rank: C/C-
Race: Zerg
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no hotkeys allowed, handicap for true pros
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Oooh one more suggestion.
-all ground units aside from probes must be near pylons. so like, if you want to attack you've gota build a pylon line to where you're attacking, or build a pylon there and shuttle them in.
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No rush 15 minutes, but he must make a rush build.
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handicaps:
No templar archieves.
No observer
Cant expand to his natural before 10 minutes into the game.
Must play of 2 gas maximum (6 workers mining gas at the same time maximum means he can have 1 worker in 6 geysers).
Maximum 150 food.
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Osaka27149 Posts
The handicap needs so be established before the game and removed. It can't be something the player actually has to do in the game. That would be ridiculous.
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Can't attack the enemy base until Arbiter tech.
Can only make his gateways adjacent to the outer walls of his main (makes macro/pathing annoying as HELL and tankable as hell on a lot of maps xD).
Must start a nexus in the enemy base during every attack (or just outside the creep in Zerg's case).
++ Must retreat as soon as the nexus dies?
Must use scouts in every attack.
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For the enemy:
Player has an invincible kakaru for scouting
Player has 2-3 invincible rhynadons that he can use to block building/ramps
Player starts with extra minerals/gas
Player starts with an archon or siege tank or something similar
Player starts with full upgrades/research
Player's buildings/units have 1.5 as much health
Player's build time is 2/3 for everything
All can be done with map editor (:
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On October 21 2009 02:49 fanatacist wrote:
For the enemy:
Player has an invincible kakaru for scouting
Player has 2-3 invincible rhynadons that he can use to block building/ramps
Player starts with extra minerals/gas
Player starts with an archon or siege tank or something similar
Player starts with full upgrades/research
Player's buildings/units have 1.5 as much health
Player's build time is 2/3 for everything
All can be done with map editor (:
Those are soooo harsh.
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A lot of them are not THAT harsh, like the scouting kakaru, or say 400 minerals/gas to start, or a single siege tank :p.
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16987 Posts
On October 21 2009 02:49 fanatacist wrote:
For the enemy:
Player's build time is 2/3 for everything
Lastshadow style.
lolwut
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Kona, GGwin, pick a race. l10f I need more infos.
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Pholon, when are the players announced?
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Income limit: Can harvest from no more than 2 geysers/mineral fields at a time.
Stealth attack: Enemy base must be entered only by observers, dark templars or units cloaked by an arbiter.
Joker: Must tell a Starcraft Yo Momma joke at the very start of the game before starting mining, and before building an expansion.
Expanding obstacle: Before building a nexus, must build a pylon at that location, let it finish, then destroy it.
Doppelganger: Contender may invite a max. D+ ranked friend to join him in a team melee.
Choke's on you: Must not cross the enemy's main ramp/choke on foot with land units. Must use shuttles, recall or flying units instead.
Double trouble: When building a tech building (forge, core, citadel, archives etc.), must build a second one before building anything else.
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On October 21 2009 04:48 Scorch wrote:
Income limit: Can harvest from no more than 2 geysers/mineral fields at a time.
Joker: Must tell a Starcraft Yo Momma joke at the very start of the game before starting mining, and before building an expansion.
Expanding obstacle: Before building a nexus, must build a pylon at that location, let it finish, then destroy it.
these are good. especially expanding obstacle.
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iCCup id: blueblimp
Profile: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/blueblimp.html
Rank: In two past seasons, D+ (please ignore the D- I got early this season; I haven't played iCCup recently)
Race: Zerg
Map Suggestion: Blue Storm (arguably overplayed, but I like it)
Edit: Oh, hopefully I am not too late. I forgot the time zone difference.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On October 21 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote:
Pholon, when are the players announced?
Aiming for thursday night KST. Keep enrolling though until then!
On October 21 2009 04:48 Scorch wrote:
Income limit: Can harvest from no more than 2 geysers/mineral fields at a time.
Stealth attack: Enemy base must be entered only by observers, dark templars or units cloaked by an arbiter.
Joker: Must tell a Starcraft Yo Momma joke at the very start of the game before starting mining, and before building an expansion.
Expanding obstacle: Before building a nexus, must build a pylon at that location, let it finish, then destroy it.
Doppelganger: Contender may invite a max. D+ ranked friend to join him in a team melee.
Choke's on you: Must not cross the enemy's main ramp/choke on foot with land units. Must use shuttles, recall or flying units instead.
Double trouble: When building a tech building (forge, core, citadel, archives etc.), must build a second one before building anything else.
We already have like half of those -.- Nice work on the names though ^^
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if he has a laptop, make him play with touchpad. that is the ultimate handicap.
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On October 21 2009 08:11 redtooth wrote:
if he has a laptop, make him play with touchpad. that is the ultimate handicap.
or one of those clit-mouses
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My idea for a handicap would be an imbalanced map made by one of us.
Someone would have to design it (i lack any map making skills) but it could just be a 2 player map with one base having more minerals/gas, easier nat to take/defend, etc.. and the other base would be more open to attack/harder to defend and less minerals/gas.
The map could be rigged enough to give the challengers a good positional advantage and force the gosu player to expand and macro much better to catch up and also for them to play smarter and micro better so they dont suicide units into a well defended base.
It would take away the "remember your only allowed running 2 gas" type of handicaps and replace it with "if i want more than 2 gas im going to have to take this wide open 3rd base and try to defend it"
Just a thought
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On October 21 2009 04:09 Pholon wrote:
Kona, GGwin, pick a race. l10f I need more infos.
Is it possible to see the map pools first, or which maps we'll be playing on for our match before we choose? if not, I'll play Zerg then.
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I've got a question.
How are handicaps chosen?
A UMS map?
Here's an idea:
Someone could code a flash thing.
It could look badass.
If I built that flash,
Would you guys use it on stream?
What have you got planned?
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i dont think ums kind of handicaps are good
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On October 21 2009 08:49 GG.Win wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2009 04:09 Pholon wrote:
Kona, GGwin, pick a race. l10f I need more infos. Is it possible to see the map pools first, or which maps we'll be playing on for our match before we choose? if not, I'll play Zerg then.
Map pool is in the op
On October 21 2009 08:50 Trozz wrote:
I've got a question.
How are handicaps chosen?
A UMS map?
Here's an idea:
Someone could code a flash thing.
It could look badass.
If I built that flash,
Would you guys use it on stream?
What have you got planned?
We've an UMS
One that can randomly pick
every handicap.
Someone did make us
a flash based randomizer
and although it looked really wicked
we prefer sticking to one
that is in StarCraft
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MAX MOUSE SENSITIVITY
FUCK YEAH
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On October 21 2009 09:50 FallingTeardrops wrote:
MAX MOUSE SENSITIVITY
FUCK YEAH
MINIMUM MOUSE SENSITIVITY
FUCK YEAH
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Handicaps:
I apologize in advance if any of these have been suggested before or are very similar to ones already suggested in the first TL Arena.
Powered Nexus
You must place 4 Pylons in exactly this formation after placing a Nexus before doing anything else. Starting Nexus is exempt.
Sudden Death
Losing any completed Nexus = instant death. (Losing or canceling one still being constructed doesn't count.) To make it easier to rule whether the Nexus was complete or not, the Nexus should be considered complete once the animation changes from the glowing orb to the building outline. This is technically a little before the Nexus is done, but makes ruling much easier.
Unit Patent
The first building to produce a unit is the only building that can produce that unit. Thus, only the starting nexus can produce probes. If the first gateway produced a zealot, that gateway is the only gateway allowed to produce zealots, etc. To be nice, the patent is void if that gateway is destroyed though.
My Mine
Each Mineral patch or Assimilator is allowed only one probe to mine from it at all times.
Sound the Retreat!
The non-handicapped player may command the handicapped player to retreat 3 times during the game. When the command is given, the handicapped player must move all his units (including probes) back into his main base immediately. No unit may exit the main base until all his units are back inside the main and/or destroyed before reaching the base.
Shielded Pylons
Every pylon must be powering a shield battery. Or, the pylon count cannot exceed the shield battery count by 1.
Battle Cry
The handicapped player must quote a Protoss battlecry and send it to all (for everyone's viewing pleasure) before each battle or worker raid he starts. This is intended to give away his intention to attack and is not to be used to feint the enemy. Phrases include "My life for Aiur", "En Taro Adun", "All for the Empire", "Death to our enemies", "For vengeance", or any other Protoss quote that seems fitting.
The Illusion
The first push the handicapped player makes must be comprised mostly of hallucinated units.
Warp Field Distortion
No gateway units after the first 5 minutes
Glass Ceiling
Cannot produce probes after 10 minutes into the game.
Rest in Peace
No Dragoons.
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On October 21 2009 08:32 Code wrote:
My idea for a handicap would be an imbalanced map made by one of us.
Someone would have to design it (i lack any map making skills) but it could just be a 2 player map with one base having more minerals/gas, easier nat to take/defend, etc.. and the other base would be more open to attack/harder to defend and less minerals/gas.
The map could be rigged enough to give the challengers a good positional advantage and force the gosu player to expand and macro much better to catch up and also for them to play smarter and micro better so they dont suicide units into a well defended base.
It would take away the "remember your only allowed running 2 gas" type of handicaps and replace it with "if i want more than 2 gas im going to have to take this wide open 3rd base and try to defend it"
Just a thought
ya like use that heavily modified destination and do it until he spawns in the worse spot entirely for giggles. Could probably still win too
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United States4126 Posts
This one's a tough handicap, but I can imagine it being pretty interesting.
-Maintain an APM of xxx throughout the whole game.
I was thinking 60, but then I realized how hard that would be in the late game.
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On October 22 2009 01:22 Kinky wrote:
This one's a tough handicap, but I can imagine it being pretty interesting.
-Maintain an APM of xxx throughout the whole game.
I was thinking 60, but then I realized how hard that would be in the late game.
........
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On October 22 2009 01:22 Kinky wrote:
This one's a tough handicap, but I can imagine it being pretty interesting.
-Maintain an APM of xxx throughout the whole game.
I was thinking 60, but then I realized how hard that would be in the late game.
That wouldn't handicap me at all lol
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On October 21 2009 11:48 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2009 08:32 Code wrote:
My idea for a handicap would be an imbalanced map made by one of us.
Someone would have to design it (i lack any map making skills) but it could just be a 2 player map with one base having more minerals/gas, easier nat to take/defend, etc.. and the other base would be more open to attack/harder to defend and less minerals/gas.
The map could be rigged enough to give the challengers a good positional advantage and force the gosu player to expand and macro much better to catch up and also for them to play smarter and micro better so they dont suicide units into a well defended base.
It would take away the "remember your only allowed running 2 gas" type of handicaps and replace it with "if i want more than 2 gas im going to have to take this wide open 3rd base and try to defend it"
Just a thought ya like use that heavily modified destination and do it until he spawns in the worse spot entirely for giggles. Could probably still win too
You can just remove "random start locations" :p
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On October 20 2009 02:56 Trozz wrote:
* Must build a Scout before Robotics/Citadel
* Must build a Dark Archon before High Templar
* Nexus cap of 2
This is gunna rock.
Those are good, nice trozz.
Some of my ideas:
-Buildings besides gateways / resources must be preceded by a completed shield battery, each time. (They cost 100 extra minerals.)
-Must build a shuttle before your 2nd nexus
-Can only enter enemy's main with air units, or ground units that were shuttled / recalled
-No pylon until 9 probes
Looking forward to it!
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On October 21 2009 11:27 AeTheReal wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Handicaps:I apologize in advance if any of these have been suggested before or are very similar to ones already suggested in the first TL Arena. Powered NexusYou must place 4 Pylons in exactly this formation after placing a Nexus before doing anything else. Starting Nexus is exempt. Sudden DeathLosing any completed Nexus = instant death. (Losing or canceling one still being constructed doesn't count.) To make it easier to rule whether the Nexus was complete or not, the Nexus should be considered complete once the animation changes from the glowing orb to the building outline. This is technically a little before the Nexus is done, but makes ruling much easier. Unit PatentThe first building to produce a unit is the only building that can produce that unit. Thus, only the starting nexus can produce probes. If the first gateway produced a zealot, that gateway is the only gateway allowed to produce zealots, etc. To be nice, the patent is void if that gateway is destroyed though. My MineEach Mineral patch or Assimilator is allowed only one probe to mine from it at all times. Sound the Retreat!The non-handicapped player may command the handicapped player to retreat 3 times during the game. When the command is given, the handicapped player must move all his units (including probes) back into his main base immediately. No unit may exit the main base until all his units are back inside the main and/or destroyed before reaching the base. Shielded PylonsEvery pylon must be powering a shield battery. Or, the pylon count cannot exceed the shield battery count by 1. Battle CryThe handicapped player must quote a Protoss battlecry and send it to all (for everyone's viewing pleasure) before each battle or worker raid he starts. This is intended to give away his intention to attack and is not to be used to feint the enemy. Phrases include "My life for Aiur", "En Taro Adun", "All for the Empire", "Death to our enemies", "For vengeance", or any other Protoss quote that seems fitting. The IllusionThe first push the handicapped player makes must be comprised mostly of hallucinated units. Warp Field DistortionNo gateway units after the first 5 minutes Glass CeilingCannot produce probes after 10 minutes into the game. Rest in PeaceNo Dragoons.
Decent handicaps, but awesome names. Almost worth using for the names alone.
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I should be able to play as long as I can be one of the first players because I have classes 1h 30m after it starts.
Are signups even still open?
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Yes but I'll need more info and youll be added to reserves.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
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Iccup Name: B-Roll
Link : B-Roll
Rank: D+
Race: T
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Netherlands4989 Posts
Make sure you do some audio/streaming testing before you start the actual broadcasting.
I really enjoyed playing n the first episode, too bad my internet connection got cut... -__-
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handicap suggestion:
- Use combat-ex build (double observatory into 12 gates off 2 bases) (joke )
- Don't start mining until first probe is produced
- You need to make 2 nexuses in each new base before you can start mining from it (you can still mine with 1 if 1 goes down). And you can mine if 1 nexus is complete and 2nd just starting.
- not allowed corsairs and carriers.
- not allowed to build in hidden/proxy locations early-mid game (manner pylons, scouting pylons,gas steal, proxy gates or robo, hidden tech)
-must manner pylon yourself in the most horrible place and leave it there till end using first pylon built.
-if you go a tech building (past core) you need to make that building twice (citadel, archives, obs, robo support, arbiter and fleet beacon)
- when you start a nexus in a new base you must type (i'm expanding)
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[Edit]: Nvm, looks like I'll be busy that day; can't participate.
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I can't play this time.
I'm leaving town saturday.
SOMEONE RECORD THIS!!!
I wanna watch it.
There's no VOD for the first one.
Can there be for this?
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Was looking forward
to trying to cast your game
in only haikus ;(
We'll record VODs but we're depending on LS to do it right (last time they fucked up ;( )
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I think ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/d/d1/Picon.png) ClouD is an extremely good player. I will try my best to win against him in my upcoming match. Though I am known to be a not so talented player, I will try my hardest to show the fans an interesting game. Please continue cheering for me and loving e-sports, I will definitely work hard and show you the quality of my practice!
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
I will destroy ClouD in 2009, okay?
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Handicap ideas
-must rally all production buildings to middle of map.
-cannot attack workers unless they are carrying resources or in mineral line
-everytime he builds a pylon, he must type: "I have hairy nipples"
-must build one scout everytime a dragoon is built
-one probe per mineral patch, 2 probes per gas
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On October 23 2009 16:06 onewingedmoogle wrote:
Handicap ideas
-everytime he builds a pylon, he must type: "I have hairy nipples"
LOL <3
Polls are already up but I'll ask him to do this jst for fun ~~
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On October 23 2009 16:06 onewingedmoogle wrote:
-everytime he builds a pylon, he must type: "I have hairy nipples"
this one is a must
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On October 23 2009 14:05 TheAntZ wrote:I think ClouD is an extremely good player. I will try my best to win against him in my upcoming match. Though I am known to be a not so talented player, I will try my hardest to show the fans an interesting game. Please continue cheering for me and loving e-sports, I will definitely work hard and show you the quality of my practice!
lol best post in thread
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I don't think it was recorded... but it was pretty awesome... there should be VODs next time
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On October 26 2009 06:54 meeple wrote:
I don't think it was recorded... but it was pretty awesome... there should be VODs next time
IN the results thread we have some the instructions to link to the the recording of the show. Waiting to see if the men in red make it into a vod
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