The Nostalgia Tournament - Page 6

On September 16 2009 06:27 IdrA wrote:
sorry wasting 1500$ on dumb maps and then giving bad players free paths to group finals seemed a bit stupid to me

On September 16 2009 06:47 IdrA wrote:
you'll love a bunch of bad games from players trying to shoehorn modern strategies into imbalanced maps
yaaaaay sentimentality

On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.

I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players?

On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.

I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players?

On September 16 2009 07:44 TheMango wrote:


seriously, JLIG. I'm glad that there's an island/semi island map, I miss island game play going back to dire straights to neo forbidden zone, even gorky. You complaining about it now is not going to change anything. The players in the group chose to play on that map for the most part, so I dont know why you have such a problem.

On September 16 2009 08:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wcg has been the most important tournament for people outside korea for a majority of brood war's existance.. an oldschool tournament should feature wcg maps, im personally sad it doesnt have more (like legacy of char.. I think that map would play out vastly differently balance wise now from before actually. )

On September 16 2009 08:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


NHOV is of huge significance for no real solid reason It's a map that nearly every oldschool top player is sure they have an unbeatable build on (except if they're zerg LOLOLOL)

On September 16 2009 10:52 Tom Phoenix wrote:


If this was a casual tournament, I would have hardly cared less what maps were being used. However, considering this is a progaming tournament with a large prize pool at stake, I would think that the primary focus when creating a mappool would be to use maps that were as balanced as possible in order to give everyone participating a fair chance and thus prevent non-exciting one-sided games and an abundance of mirror matchups from occuring. Using Neo Hall of Valhalla is the same as if KeSPA retained Battle Royale in the ProLeague mappool. It simply makes no sense, considering the amount of money involved.

Plus, the other three maps at least have something going for them as far as balance is concerned. Lost Temple was the most balanced map to come out of the original stock. Nostalgia is statistically the most balanced map of all time, being the only map ever to have all three matchups in the 45-55% range. Neo Requirem, while horrible for PvT, is one of the best TvZ and ZvP maps in progaming history. However, nothing of sort can be said for NHoV.



Although I understand this, I would not think NHoV to be the first map to come to mind when one thinks of WCG.



So there is no good practical reason why to include this map? That just makes it more bizzare why it came into consideration in the first place.


Look, as I said, it is the decision of the organiser what maps he will use in the tournament. I am not trying to force anything here. I just thought that it was in the best of interest of both the player and the community that balanced old-school maps are used for the tournament, since it ensures a fair competitive environment and a greater chance for close and exciting games. However, considering the responses I have received, it appears I am the only one who really cares. As such, I will refrain from talking about the topic further.