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Are you an old school player? Have you been lurking for years out of a love for the game? Do you miss seeing epic matches played on old maps? Or, are you a new player who never got to experience many games played on the maps of yesteryear? If any of these questions applies, the Nostalgia tournament is just what you've been waiting for!
Thanks to the generosity and mind of an anonymous donor, I am proud to announce the Nostalgia Tournament - bringing together some of today's top players, from the new school to the old to fight for a $1,500 prize pool on old school maps.
The Format
The final tournament will be a four man double elimination tournament, where the winner will take home an additional $500!
The Maps
The maps are as follows:
Group 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
+ Show Spoiler +Round 1 Gretorp < HoRRoR (1-2) White-Ra > Arew (2-1) IdrA > IefNaij (2-1) Gosia < XiaOzi (1-2) Round 2 White-Ra > HoRRoR (2-0) IdrA > XiaOzi (2-1) Final IdrA > White-Ra (2-0) IdrA advances to the final 4!BRACKETS
Group 2: Lost Temple RESULTS
+ Show Spoiler +Round 1 iNferNaL < LzGaMeR AeriALs > Yosh iNcontroL < MaNa (0-2) Assem < Mondragon (0-2) Round 2 LzGaMeR < Mondragon (0-2) AeriALs < MaNa (0-2) Final MaNa > Mondragon (2-1) MaNa advances to the final 4!BRACKETS
Group 3: Neo Requiem RESULTS
+ Show Spoiler +Round 1 iNKA < MistrZZZ (0-1)* Sen < BRAT_OK (0-2) TT1 > Vincent (2-0) Oystein < Ptak (0-2) Round 2 MistrZZZ > BRAT_OK *W.O* TT1 < Ptak (0-2) Final Ptak < MistrZZZMistrzzz wins the 4th spot!BRACKETS
Group 4: Neo Hall of Valhalla RESULTS
+ Show Spoiler +Round 1 Draco > Fenix (2-0) Advokate > Strelok (2-1) Artosis < Eriador (0-2) Kolll > fraer Round 2 Advokate < Draco (1-2) Eriador > Kolll (2-0) Final Draco > Eriador (2-0) Draco advances to the final 4!BRACKETS
**Click the Name of the map to download the map!!**
Dates and Times
The Nostalgia Tournament is Finishing! The Final 4 will be played November 8th !
Casting
Select matches will be casted by the illustrious Day[9], Diggity, and Xeris!
This tournament will challenge the memories and creativity of the players, to create useful builds on maps not currently in circulation. The cutthroat element of a single elimination group stage will make for interesting and exciting games, as Starcraft's top talent is assembled in one place, fighting for glory and loot.
Who will win the Nostalgia tournament? Place your bets!
REPLAYS!!!
LOST TEMPLE GROUP
NOSTALGIA GROUP
VALHALLA GROUP
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at least artosis should have no trouble beating his beloved protoss on valhalla lol
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are those the brackets? like group 1 is jf vs whitera gretorp vs xiaozi etc first round?
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On September 14 2009 03:22 IdrA wrote:
are those the brackets? like group 1 is jf vs whitera gretorp vs xiaozi etc first round?
I'm going to release the actual brackets as soon as I find out how to embed the binary beast brackets on TL.  !
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On September 14 2009 03:23 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:22 IdrA wrote:
are those the brackets? like group 1 is jf vs whitera gretorp vs xiaozi etc first round?
I'm going to release the actual brackets as soon as I find out how to embed the binary beast brackets on TL. !
I believe that's a staff HTML function?
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On September 14 2009 03:26 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:23 Xeris wrote:On September 14 2009 03:22 IdrA wrote:
are those the brackets? like group 1 is jf vs whitera gretorp vs xiaozi etc first round?
I'm going to release the actual brackets as soon as I find out how to embed the binary beast brackets on TL. ! I believe that's a staff HTML function?
I was wondering about that because I tried with the love of the game and it didn't work.
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Strange that anonymosu donors are donating to prize pools of SC tourneys randomly lol o_o
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"Or, are you a new player who never got to experience many games played on the maps of yeseryear?"
Should that not be yesteryear?
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So much money on the line, I wonder who has all this money to fuel foreign sc tournaments
Also, I think leaving a few spots for random "casual" players with some laddering/whatever has a great atmosphere to it, makes the event feel more of a community event. (Highlander did that, iirc?)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the games.
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Awesome tournament, Xeris! I love to see Old School maps being played once again. Who are these anonymous donors that keep giving us good tournaments?
On another note, the link for Nostalgia does not work.
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Thx so much to the donor whoever it is! I think it's a really good concept.
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United States1967 Posts
I cant wait for the games on halls of valhalla! ;D
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Awesome tournament idea, I've really missed seeing some of the old-school maps in circulation. Thanks a lot to the anonymous donor, I'm sure this will be an exciting tourny!
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Yeah, awesome donors. This seriosuly is a lot of money o__o
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
That's a nice season for $$ tournies !
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yay for everything.
that's TWO mega cool tournaments in the next two months *sprays cum*
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rofl hacking tt1 is allowed to play? sad
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damn when i saw the name i was hoping for neo legacy of char and jungle story.
still going to be awesome. donors rule
edit: omg sen? awesome :D
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OMG that's great, old school maps, so many great players and cast by Day[9]. This IS huge, thanks a lot for putting effort in organizing this and for sponsor!
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YES im soo gad to see nostalgia back into play
one of my fav maps for sure
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Awesome, even though I hoped for a few spots for non invited players as well =/ It would be so cool to play on these maps again ... Oh well good luck to all participants and I hope there will be some exciting matches to bring back old memories of awesomeness
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LoC instead of Requiem plz since Req already had its revival and LoC is my fav map
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On September 14 2009 07:16 synapse wrote:
day[9] wooooooooooo
I dont see day[9] in the list...
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On September 14 2009 05:58 Gonozal wrote:
rofl hacking tt1 is allowed to play? sad
That was like 3-4 years ago, get over yourself clown.
BTW: Thank you to the donor(s) whoever you are ... really nice of someone to do that! I hope i do well in my group Although its tough as hell lol.
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United States11390 Posts
On September 14 2009 07:21 TheAntZ wrote:I dont see day[9] in the list...
He's a caster, not a player. ;o
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This looks really epic!
Gogo Artosis, JF, ret, Dinot and WHITE-RA!
Fighting!
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woo i think i started something ^^
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This looks like a really cool tournament, and it has a pretty nice prize too. GL players.
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Katowice25012 Posts
This looks pretty cool, gl to all :D
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is awesome32271 Posts
Sick!!!! looking forward tot his! thanks!
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Although I am very happy to see such an event take place and see some of the great old maps being used, I have to ask....why Neo Hall of Valhalla? By today`s standards, that map is horribily imbalanced. At least the three other maps are somewhat tolerable as far as balance is concerned.
I am not trying to spoil the mood, but I can easily imagine other old-school maps that would be far more fitting for such a tournament (especially with that much money on the line).
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Oh this is going to be great. I hope you have some backup players in case of someone not showing up. Would have prefered to see games on Jungle Story with some cool tankdrops and one base zerg play, still just awesome, can hardly wait.
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Big love for the anonymous donor <3 <3 <3
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Neo Hall of Valhalla is a great map, though I rather see New No Way Out, that map is asskickin 
And I thought there were gonna be oldschool players, the only one I know is ret and I know for sure he isn't oldschool.
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Norway28598 Posts
there are some relatively new players (kolll definitely isnt oldschool) there but almost everyone has been in the scene since like 2002 or something..
player selection is very good considering they both want people who have played for a long time and who are still playing.. and if ret is the only player you know among that list then you can't have paid enough attention to the scene to have any idea who is oldschool and not anyway.
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Most of these maps are imbalanced and will cause boring rapes 90% of the time. The rest of the 10% of the games will be boring camp fests.
Sorry for the attitude but I don't udnerstand how people can want to watch a tournament on imbalanced maps.
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
FUCK YEAH HALL OF VALHALLA
this is gonna be so awesome (will there be VODs up though?)
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Norway28598 Posts
a map being imbalanced does not guarantee a victory for the race with the advantage.. if a matchup on a map is considered really really imbalanced then the race with the disadvantage still normally wins like 40% of the time. additionally these maps are so old and people haven't practiced them in forever meaning that people won't have fine-tuned the imbalanced build orders. ;p
I would be surprised if idra lost any tvz on nostalgia tho, and the terrans are clear favourites on valhalla, but upsets do happen. ;p
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Haypro and Datoby fighting~!
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On September 14 2009 19:45 Atom Cannister wrote:
No LZ???
nope wasnt invited
artosis fighting!~
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On September 14 2009 23:30 Liquid`Drone wrote:
a map being imbalanced does not guarantee a victory for the race with the advantage.. if a matchup on a map is considered really really imbalanced then the race with the disadvantage still normally wins like 40% of the time. additionally these maps are so old and people haven't practiced them in forever meaning that people won't have fine-tuned the imbalanced build orders. ;p
I would be surprised if idra lost any tvz on nostalgia tho, and the terrans are clear favourites on valhalla, but upsets do happen. ;p
That argument might hold as far as the first three maps are concerned, but certainly not in regards to Neo Hall of Valhalla. Island maps have always been horrible for Zerg and even Protoss have a fair amount of trouble with them. Unrefined build orders or not, Terran 1-base play is more viable then that of other races. Plus, Terrans can lift their Command Centers, meaning that on a map with unblocked expansions (such as Neo Hall of Valhalla), Terrans can take an expansion easier, quicker and safer then the other two races. This is a fudamental flaw of the island maps of the time, which cannot be resolved simply by hoping for upsets to happen.
Xeris is the organiser of the tournament, so it is up to him and the anonymous doner to decide what maps are used. I just think that, considering that there are much better balanced old school maps out there, it would be a terrible waste to invest so much money for games played on a highly one-sided map.
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Norway28598 Posts
meh
back in the day I was winning more zvp and zvt island maps than I was winning zvp and zvt land maps. but yea I wouldve preferred picking a different island map than hov, goliaths are honestly a little too good there.
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Norway28598 Posts
but on halls of valhalla the only exp terran can liftoff to safely is a mineral only and that doesnt help much, islands are absolutely a gas war.
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Not too thrilled about the players since none are really "nostalgic" to me, but seeing the old maps and having more day[9] casts is definitely a treat.
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I consider everything after 2001 newschool. I haven't been in touch with community since than, I only got back in the community when the TSL started. Loved it and stayed with it. So when you are talking about oldschool and when I am talking about oldschool there lies the diffrence. Doesn't matter though, can't wait to see how people are doing at those 'imba' maps.
Love and cheers to you all!
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
On September 15 2009 01:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
but on halls of valhalla the only exp terran can liftoff to safely is a mineral only and that doesnt help much, islands are absolutely a gas war.
HOV is moreso a platform map, once each race gets their natural down, it becomes more standard play does it not?
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Norway28598 Posts
On September 15 2009 01:39 Boertie wrote:
I consider everything after 2001 newschool. I haven't been in touch with community since than, I only got back in the community when the TSL started. Loved it and stayed with it. So when you are talking about oldschool and when I am talking about oldschool there lies the diffrence. Doesn't matter though, can't wait to see how people are doing at those 'imba' maps.
Love and cheers to you all!
i've been playing since april 1998. i know that artosis and louder both played from at least 1999 as well. mostly everyone else invited started later or at least arrived on the scene later. I know that "truly oldschool" would be something like jester pillars gadianton thor agent911 etc etc etc but the thing is, none of those players play anymore. with a couple exceptions, kolll prolly the most notable, this list of players is a very very good compromise between current skill and having played for a long time.
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Back in the day, noone really knew how to play StarCraft optimally. But this is not 2001/2002, this is 2009. That means that map imbalances much more severely punish players then they did in the past.
As far taking expansions safely is concerned, I am willing to take your word for it since you have played on this map and I did not (although I think a Terran could take the expansions between mains much more safely then the other two races; they look so vulnerable to Siege Tank shelling). Even so, that does not change the fact that 1 base play is more viable with Terrans then with the other two races.
I am sure I have come off as a bit of a whiner, but that is not my intention. I just want this tournament to be the best it can be and I think it would be an awful waste if the games ended up awfully one-sided beacuse of the poor map balance. In order to make myself useful, here are some recommendations to potentially replace Neo Hall of Valhalla:
+ Show Spoiler +Luna
Arcadia 2
Sin Peaks of Baekdu
Ride of Valkyries
Sin Gaema Gowon
While I am sure you can find slight imbalances on these maps as well (I can already hear IdrA complaining about Carriers on Peaks), they still belong among some of the most well-balanced maps of all time. At the very least, they are certainly more optimised compared to Neo Hall of Valhalla.
If you dislike those, you can check the Top 10 map lists I made based on a specific matchup in this thread. The lists are from early April 2009 and are thus slightly outdated, but should still be accurate for the most part. Plus, although some of those maps have horribily imbalanced matchups, I am sure you can find at least one map that is not too horrible even in it`s worst matchup.
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did you guys even read the OP?
the players got to choose which map they preferred the most. thats why you see mostly terrans on valhalla.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
idra will lose to a protoss on nostalgia
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ret will lose to a protoss on requiem
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Norway28598 Posts
On September 15 2009 01:55 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2009 01:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
but on halls of valhalla the only exp terran can liftoff to safely is a mineral only and that doesnt help much, islands are absolutely a gas war. HOV is moreso a platform map, once each race gets their natural down, it becomes more standard play does it not?
naw not really because all the gas expansions are separated by cliffs or water.
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On September 15 2009 02:09 inertinept wrote:
did you guys even read the OP?
the players got to choose which map they preferred the most. thats why you see mostly terrans on valhalla.
I still do not see that as a valid reason to keep Valhalla, though. Infact, that is all the more reason to replace it, since very few people like a lot of mirror matchups.
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Norway28598 Posts
the valhalla group has 3 terrans 2 protoss 1 zerg and 2 random/racepick. (I will be randoming, not sure what oystein will be playing.) players are not the ones objecting here..
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Netherlands4511 Posts
so random how kolll is in HoV group lol, he's mega fucked.
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Wow this is awesome
Great list of players, I'm only sad about lz and draco not being in there, especially with the title this tournament has it would have been great to see Draco.
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hm I always thought that p>t>>>z on HOV
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Random is allowed? :O and on Island maps?
So you play blindly for 5 minutes if you're a toss or an unlucky terran?
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I've heard of all of the players except for fraer. Can someone fill me in on him?
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another foreigner tournament with Idra
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It would be awesome if Day[9] teamed up with CholeraSC for casting, I thought they were a great pair in the recent CSL matches.
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GOGO OYSTEIN!!!!! Why is shauni never in these things? He is a great player, was he not invited or did he not want to play in it.
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Well I do hope that both eri and ret do good in this tournament, good luck lads!
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
On September 15 2009 10:38 GreEny K wrote:
GOGO OYSTEIN!!!!! Why is shauni never in these things? He is a great player, was he not invited or did he not want to play in it.
there are many other players who are oldschool, still play, and are still top tier yet not invited including Breakdown[pG], 88)ShaK, Tossim, Nyoken[t.D], Squall, etc...
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Wow, cool idea for a tourney. Glad we get all these foreigner tourneys when the pro scene dries up. GL to everyone
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On September 14 2009 23:30 Liquid`Drone wrote:
a map being imbalanced does not guarantee a victory for the race with the advantage.. if a matchup on a map is considered really really imbalanced then the race with the disadvantage still normally wins like 40% of the time. additionally these maps are so old and people haven't practiced them in forever meaning that people won't have fine-tuned the imbalanced build orders. ;p
I would be surprised if idra lost any tvz on nostalgia tho, and the terrans are clear favourites on valhalla, but upsets do happen. ;p
I always found PvT really easy on valhalla but that was way back when. Granted I thought PvT was incredibly easy on every island map soo..... who knows =)
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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On September 14 2009 03:31 KawaiiRice wrote:
Strange that anonymosu donors are donating to prize pools of SC tourneys randomly lol o_o
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speakin korean, leave him alone
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isn't DAy9 that guy who cursed and said bad things the whole time...and everyone was drinking something and saying that he was funny?
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Needs moar KawaiiRice : ]
Anyways.. my hopes for each race are..
Protoss: White-Ra
Terran: IdrA
Zerg Ret (sorry DinOt)
+ gotta love iNcontroL, Artosis, and Yosh
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On September 15 2009 12:58 Mokinono wrote:
isn't DAy9 that guy who cursed and said bad things the whole time...and everyone was drinking something and saying that he was funny?
yeah, bear semen.
that's the best.
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Man i'm really looking forward to this. Should be some seriously epic games.
I looked at group 1 first and thought "Holy shit! This is going to be epic" Then I saw the other groups. Shear badassery!
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Guess I'll be cheering for Liquid`Drone.
Failure is not an option.
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Guess I'll be cheering for ret. Or drone, didn't you use to be an another biological screwup? Or a kali player?? If you are that oldschool I must have heard of you.
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Norway28598 Posts
i played some on kali but not very much, didn't play for abs though. but i was good enough to go 6-1 against NTT in his prime
(although sven and slayer raped me every single game and I was actually much worse than ntt too. )
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On September 15 2009 06:43 Nokeboy wrote:
another foreigner tournament with Idra
Yeah man with IdrA being korean and all its really weird that he is included in these foreign tournaments (lol almost like he is from USA). Lets all whine about that!!!
On another note, i will be cheering for a lot of people but i like Nostalgia group the best
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the link to the brackets have been posted *still waiting for admin to embed them!*
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lol u invited many new school players t.t
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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The idra/jf/whitera group is a nightmare. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me
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United States1967 Posts
On September 16 2009 00:55 motbob wrote:
Idra vs JF...
I think Ret's prediction may come true, if Idra gets past JF, most likely will face off vs WhiteRa on the other side of the bracket :p I think WhiteRa has a good chance of winning that group.
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United States1967 Posts
Drone vs Artosis 1st round of HoV, going to be epic! :D I hope drone goes random...
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Norway28598 Posts
ha ha artosis bet you never thought you'd be playing me on an island map in a tournament again!
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Zurich15324 Posts
On September 16 2009 00:22 Xeris wrote:
the link to the brackets have been posted *still waiting for admin to embed them!*
AFAIK the admin is waiting for the coders to implement that feature. Lazy coders!
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why werent the groups seeded
terrible brackets
fenix's group has the 4 best players on one side, mine has 4 of the 5 best on one side, and the other 2 have the 2 best players playing each other first round.
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Norway28598 Posts
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sorry wasting 1500$ on dumb maps and then giving bad players free paths to group finals seemed a bit stupid to me
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On September 16 2009 06:27 IdrA wrote:
sorry wasting 1500$ on dumb maps and then giving bad players free paths to group finals seemed a bit stupid to me
suck it up nerd! this one's for the fans
and we loooove it
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you'll love a bunch of bad games from players trying to shoehorn modern strategies into imbalanced maps
yaaaaay sentimentality
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On September 16 2009 06:47 IdrA wrote:
you'll love a bunch of bad games from players trying to shoehorn modern strategies into imbalanced maps
yaaaaay sentimentality
loooool win
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lol i got the most old school terran in the tourny, on an old school map, with his best m/u vs my worst. I Predict victory lolol
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Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players?
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United States1967 Posts
On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players?
seriously, JLIG. I'm glad that there's an island/semi island map, I miss island game play going back to dire straights to neo forbidden zone, even gorky. You complaining about it now is not going to change anything. The players in the group chose to play on that map for the most part, so I dont know why you have such a problem.
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Norway28598 Posts
wcg has been the most important tournament for people outside korea for a majority of brood war's existance.. an oldschool tournament should feature wcg maps, im personally sad it doesnt have more (like legacy of char.. I think that map would play out vastly differently balance wise now from before actually. )
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players?
NHOV is of huge significance for no real solid reason It's a map that nearly every oldschool top player is sure they have an unbeatable build on (except if they're zerg LOLOLOL)
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On September 16 2009 07:44 TheMango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players? seriously, JLIG. I'm glad that there's an island/semi island map, I miss island game play going back to dire straights to neo forbidden zone, even gorky. You complaining about it now is not going to change anything. The players in the group chose to play on that map for the most part, so I dont know why you have such a problem.
If this was a casual tournament, I would have hardly cared less what maps were being used. However, considering this is a progaming tournament with a large prize pool at stake, I would think that the primary focus when creating a mappool would be to use maps that were as balanced as possible in order to give everyone participating a fair chance and thus prevent non-exciting one-sided games and an abundance of mirror matchups from occuring. Using Neo Hall of Valhalla is the same as if KeSPA retained Battle Royale in the ProLeague mappool. It simply makes no sense, considering the amount of money involved.
Plus, the other three maps at least have something going for them as far as balance is concerned. Lost Temple was the most balanced map to come out of the original stock. Nostalgia is statistically the most balanced map of all time, being the only map ever to have all three matchups in the 45-55% range. Neo Requirem, while horrible for PvT, is one of the best TvZ and ZvP maps in progaming history. However, nothing of sort can be said for NHoV.
On September 16 2009 08:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wcg has been the most important tournament for people outside korea for a majority of brood war's existance.. an oldschool tournament should feature wcg maps, im personally sad it doesnt have more (like legacy of char.. I think that map would play out vastly differently balance wise now from before actually. )
Although I understand this, I would not think NHoV to be the first map to come to mind when one thinks of WCG.
On September 16 2009 08:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players? NHOV is of huge significance for no real solid reason It's a map that nearly every oldschool top player is sure they have an unbeatable build on (except if they're zerg LOLOLOL)
So there is no good practical reason why to include this map? That just makes it more bizzare why it came into consideration in the first place. 
Look, as I said, it is the decision of the organiser what maps he will use in the tournament. I am not trying to force anything here. I just thought that it was in the best of interest of both the player and the community that balanced old-school maps are used for the tournament, since it ensures a fair competitive environment and a greater chance for close and exciting games. However, considering the responses I have received, it appears I am the only one who really cares. As such, I will refrain from talking about the topic further.
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Because whoever donaterd the money likes this map, Simple as that lol.
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On September 16 2009 10:52 Tom Phoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 07:44 TheMango wrote:On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players? seriously, JLIG. I'm glad that there's an island/semi island map, I miss island game play going back to dire straights to neo forbidden zone, even gorky. You complaining about it now is not going to change anything. The players in the group chose to play on that map for the most part, so I dont know why you have such a problem. If this was a casual tournament, I would have hardly cared less what maps were being used. However, considering this is a progaming tournament with a large prize pool at stake, I would think that the primary focus when creating a mappool would be to use maps that were as balanced as possible in order to give everyone participating a fair chance and thus prevent non-exciting one-sided games and an abundance of mirror matchups from occuring. Using Neo Hall of Valhalla is the same as if KeSPA retained Battle Royale in the ProLeague mappool. It simply makes no sense, considering the amount of money involved. Plus, the other three maps at least have something going for them as far as balance is concerned. Lost Temple was the most balanced map to come out of the original stock. Nostalgia is statistically the most balanced map of all time, being the only map ever to have all three matchups in the 45-55% range. Neo Requirem, while horrible for PvT, is one of the best TvZ and ZvP maps in progaming history. However, nothing of sort can be said for NHoV. Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 08:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wcg has been the most important tournament for people outside korea for a majority of brood war's existance.. an oldschool tournament should feature wcg maps, im personally sad it doesnt have more (like legacy of char.. I think that map would play out vastly differently balance wise now from before actually. ) Although I understand this, I would not think NHoV to be the first map to come to mind when one thinks of WCG. Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 08:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players? NHOV is of huge significance for no real solid reason It's a map that nearly every oldschool top player is sure they have an unbeatable build on (except if they're zerg LOLOLOL) So there is no good practical reason why to include this map? That just makes it more bizzare why it came into consideration in the first place. Look, as I said, it is the decision of the organiser what maps he will use in the tournament. I am not trying to force anything here. I just thought that it was in the best of interest of both the player and the community that balanced old-school maps are used for the tournament, since it ensures a fair competitive environment and a greater chance for close and exciting games. However, considering the responses I have received, it appears I am the only one who really cares. As such, I will refrain from talking about the topic further.
If people playing on a map people don't like allows us to even have a tournament with a $1500 prize pool, then so be it. It's a fun map. Seriously, since SC doesn't have big tournaments sponsored by companies (except ESL), we have to rely on private donations. Would you rather have NO prize tournaments at all, or a $1500 event on maps that may be a little annoying to play on?
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Great tournament ... just great
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Damn I really wish I could play in this... if any player wants to give me their spot please contact me. I think I would do really good in this tournament since these are the maps of my day :D
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Why people hate NHOV is beyond me, that map is great! Great memories about that map. Even if there is going to be another Nostalgia tourney, please but please, include New No Way Out. That map is even more asskickin Or even better, Dire Straits! Or Bone Canyon! Gauntlet seems nice as well, haha.
And why people are whining about imbalanced maps, I know for sure that most of you guys don't even play at such a sophisticated level that map imbalances is going to do you any favor or disadvantage. Even moreso, they don't even play in the tourney....
I am really really excited. Now I kinda hope people start to stream this kind of maps
Kinda sick about "destination" right now....
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Bah, I feel sorry for the zerg players. HoV will almost be an auto loss for them 
Good tourney though, but maybe something like Plains to Hills/River of Flames would have been a better choice?
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I love this event all the way be sure to release replays and vods!
I agree with Eriador about Legacy of Char, I loved that map. Great player selection except maybe for a few guys unworthy but overall It's just great.
Kinda big price pool to
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i love the red map used it wcg 2000-2001
something like martian crossing, or what was it called?
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Martian Cross but it was used 2003-2004 or so (for sure in 2004).
First WCG maps were Jungle Story, Hall of Valhalla, Legacy of Char and LT.
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martian cross was awesome :D
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This looks cool.
Time to fire up 1.08-1.09 and look at old Valhalla reps.
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Holy shit, Martian Cross has to be THE worst map ever used in a map pool. Same goes for Gorky Park.
NHOV sucks, true, but i loved the game between NTT and Garimto on that map that ended in a BC / Carrier fight. Does anyone have that replay?
Love the tourney though. Rooting for Jos al lthe way ofcourse.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Gaema Gowon > Martian Cross )
Legacy of Char was a pretty nice map for 2v2
Paranoid Android produced some nice micro-oriented games
R-Point, Ride Of Valkyries, Neo Vertigo, Dahlia (!!!!!!!), Korhal of Ceres - I miss those maps :<
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Germany2762 Posts
sad that lz isn't playing in this
rooting for mondragon~~
nice to see those old maps again! awesome tournament
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<3 Neo Hall of Valhalla
Nice tourney
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On September 15 2009 11:13 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2009 10:38 GreEny K wrote:
GOGO OYSTEIN!!!!! Why is shauni never in these things? He is a great player, was he not invited or did he not want to play in it. there are many other players who are oldschool, still play, and are still top tier yet not invited including Breakdown[pG], 88)ShaK, Tossim, Nyoken[t.D], Squall, etc...
Nyoken is now in Eg and he does not play that often from what i hear, he is still a great player though. Squall still plays? I like him but havent heard anything about him in quite some time.
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Oh man.. Korhal, R-Point and Valkries were my favorite maps. Dahlia sucked ass though.
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On September 15 2009 03:23 ret wrote:
so random how kolll is in HoV group lol, he's mega fucked.
Do i sense some hate toward Kolll? Why the hate ret... whyyyyyyyyy :'(
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Norway28598 Posts
no its just that HoV is not an easy map for zerg ;p
we will see tho, i think zerg can definitely beat protoss there, the expansions are fairly easy to defend as zerg.
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On September 18 2009 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
no its just that HoV is not an easy map for zerg ;p
we will see tho, i think zerg can definitely beat protoss there, the expansions are fairly easy to defend as zerg.
yea it's just a semi-island map, and with the hydra tech build with scourge backup I can see zergs taking a game from a protoss.
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quite old school
there are neo requiem is still played relatively frequently, but i do miss the games on lost temple now that python has taken over as the new standard
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United States4796 Posts
Nostalgia group is stacked.
That said the other groups are pretty pimp too. Go ret!
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I have 3 reps from Garimito vs NTT. Don't know which one you want.
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Just a bump, but I think many will be excited to hear that: Draco will be participating in this tournament, taking the spot of Datoby!
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I doubt I will be able to participate in this, just moved to a new apartment and ordered internet today, and they expected it to take 3 weeks or so before I get it. So you should start looking for a replacement.
Sorry for this.
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Yes, the commentators are Day[9] and others...
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I'd put Bladestorm instead of Valhalla there.
Nostalgia was such a cool map
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This is awesome. Thanks mystery donor
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The first two groups are playing this weekend! Diggity will be casting this Sunday
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51398 Posts
10 minerals on HoV are so useless when its an island map
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On September 16 2009 08:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 07:31 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Another thing I do not understand about the inclusion of NHoV is it`s lack of history. The other three maps were once extremely popular and were used in various progaming events for a number of years. In comparison, NHoV was used in a single StarLeague and two minor events. As such, it really stands out among the four maps even when balance is not factored in.
I do not understand. Was NHoV extremely popular back in the day among non-Korean players? NHOV is of huge significance for no real solid reason It's a map that nearly every oldschool top player is sure they have an unbeatable build on (except if they're zerg LOLOLOL)
SHAZAM!
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This tournament will be great fun to watch. Part of the nostalgia is that back in the day, Starcraft wasn't only about the korean touraments, so it's a good idea to have maps which are not really connected to progaming, like HoV.
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Really cool tournament format. I probably won't see anything from it until reps are released, though
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needs more Asmodey and Grrr. but still gonna be epic...
damn, i feel 12 again.
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Diggity is going to be casting matches!
Saturday @ 5pm EST
Sunday @ 6pm EST
Stay tuned!
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This looks to be an excellent tournament. Thanks Xeris and the donor! I'm also happy to see Diggity doing some of the casting!!
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Will there be any chance of livestreaming ?
Or how will we be able to follow.. Sorry <--- noob in those things -_-
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On October 16 2009 22:39 Xeris wrote:Diggity is going to be casting matches! Saturday @ 5pm EST Sunday @ 6pm EST Stay tuned!
GMT/CET?
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United States1967 Posts
On October 17 2009 02:55 Mortician wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 22:39 Xeris wrote:Diggity is going to be casting matches! Saturday @ 5pm EST Sunday @ 6pm EST Stay tuned! GMT/CET?
EST is GMT -5, so that is 10PM GMT I believe
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btw xeris I showed up on time to play mana and he told me he won't play. I have SS and everything. I told him he has to contact me and play me at this point. I have SS of waiting in channel for 20 minutes then he msg's me like "sorry I don't want to play"
kinda bs
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Will there be any chance of livestreaming ?
I will be either using ustream or live stream for the cast
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On October 17 2009 05:15 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
btw xeris I showed up on time to play mana and he told me he won't play. I have SS and everything. I told him he has to contact me and play me at this point. I have SS of waiting in channel for 20 minutes then he msg's me like "sorry I don't want to play"
kinda bs
ya I know, hopefully he'll come tomorrow at 19 cet, otherwise I'll just give you win since the rest of the group needs to get played tomorrow.
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I h ave the finals for BWML @ 21 CET so the time you had discussed SHOULD be fine but just know that is my time constraint
But like you said if he doesn't show I guess I just take w/o hehe
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no problem, we can work around bwml.
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can't you just upload the reps too?
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Cool, thanks for the link.
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they will be !
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jf vs idra on nostalgia pretty sick till now
+ Show Spoiler +insane comeback, i was sure that jf was going to die to the timing rush
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fucking lol @ "you dont micro yoru goons"
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nice games
seeing idra at like 1500 mins with 50 gas was nostalgialicious
on a side note, if you took a shot every time the commentator said "critically," you'd probably be about ready to black out
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hope you guys enjoyed ... tomorrow is gonna be the LT group
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Nostalgia Group Results
+ Show Spoiler +
Nostalgia Group
R1 Results
IdrA > IefNaij (2-1)
White-Ra > Arew (2-1)
HoRRoR > Gretorp (2-1)
XiaOzi > Gosia (2-0)
R2 Results
IdrA > XiaOzi (2-1)
White-Ra > HoRRoR (2-0)
Final
IdrA vs White-Ra
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protoss is so fucking easy lol
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awwww ... i missed it ;( ;/
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when will replays be released?
Im very excited to see those games, cause imissed the cast
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United States1967 Posts
Round 2 of Nostalgia group being casted right now
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P.S.
The LT group is completely fucked so it's going to be re-arranged and played at a later date.
The Valhalla and Requiem groups are of course, next weekend
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Norway28598 Posts
t.t diggity not quite sure how the tourney format works apparently xd
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white-ra vs idrA in this tournament and in For the Love of The Game, too bad they aren´t in the neo requiem group ^^
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did some re-arranging cuz the LT group was totally fucked:
- EG.LzGaMeR replaces Castro
- Assem replaces Fenix
- Fenix switched to Valhalla group (replacing Oystein)
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On October 19 2009 09:17 nicoaldo wrote:
white-ra vs idrA in this tournament and in For the Love of The Game, too bad they aren´t in the neo requiem group ^^
ya cuz its not bad enough to have to tvp on nostalgia in both tournaments
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t.t diggity not quite sure how the tourney format works apparently xd
Yea.... First game in round 2 I thought that the map brackets would swap with the LT group. Didn't realize that Nostaglia was the permanent bracket set for that grouping all the way to the bracket final.
really crazy format.
feeling off on these casts in general tbh. Maybe its the live format and I just need to settle down.
I am uploading round 1 to youtube right now
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On October 19 2009 16:25 Diggity wrote: Yea.... First game in round 2 I thought that the map brackets would swap with the LT group. Didn't realize that Nostaglia was the permanent bracket set for that grouping all the way to the bracket final. really crazy format. feeling off on these casts in general tbh. Maybe its the live format and I just need to settle down. I am uploading round 1 to youtube right now
game 2 part one idra vs jf isn't uploaded. But tks a lot for the rest of the round1, great casting keep going!!
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Thanks for the casts diggity, really enjoyed them so far!
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What happened to Oystein? Did he drop off the side of the earth, I havent seen his stream running lately either. Anyone know?
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He moved to an apartment and needs new internet. He streamed yesterday for some time IIRC.
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He's streaming right now! :D
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NOSTALGIA LIVE CAST BY XERIS!
Starting 22 CET (4pm EST) !!!
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I will be casting matches from the Requiem and Valhalla groups (fun stuff)
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Wants replays
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They are coming! First batch of replays will be tomorrow in fact :D
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Cant find reps from that link !? Or did I just get Xerisroll'ed ?
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replays will come after =P
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updated the op with information!
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Can't you upload the replays anyway?
I can't be here for that casting time
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they'll be uploaded after the groups are done
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3 of the final 4 participants are known! Check the op for information!
3 replay packs coming TOMORROW!
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Hoping for
+ Show Spoiler +idra vs mitrszzz
nerd rage vs epic bm, hell yea !
Cant wait :O
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On November 02 2009 19:41 kroko wrote:Hoping for + Show Spoiler +idra vs mitrszzz
nerd rage vs epic bm, hell yea ! Cant wait :O
(open spoiler first)
Sounds slike Idra vs himself rather
Yeah... MistrZZZ is something similar for the community as Idra, but he at least stops being BM after a loss.
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replay packs up - check the OP
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replay packs up - check the OP
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after all the whining about replays nobody cares? so bm >_>
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thanks Xeris, I haven't noticed when you first posted them, gona watch the LT group, mana beating + Show Spoiler + wtf, this kid is like 16 >_>
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Just watched all the reps. Thanks!
+ Show Spoiler +Idra vs White-Ra game one, LMAO. That was such an unexpected strategy from Idra. XD
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Bumb!
On November 05 2009 04:01 Xeris wrote:
after all the whining about replays nobody cares? so bm >_>
THX, great games, I recomend A2 v Strelok on Valhalla, good TvT !
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so what abaut the final 4 -.-?
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You shall see soon
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I thought the finals were supposed to be played on Sunday? I'm so confused I haven't heard anything about this since Day's cast...
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No - the final 4 will be played the weekend after wcg
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(When) Are you going to upload the commentated videos?
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Also in the op are links to the replay packs for each group. Once again - the final 4 will be finish after the WCG Grand Finals (cuz 2 of the 4 are playing in WCG)
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dude ... this Neo Requiem group is taking AGES to finish ... ;/
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On November 11 2009 17:31 Sinedd wrote:
dude ... this Neo Requiem group is taking AGES to finish ... ;/
It's finished !
3/4 of the finalists are Polish! :D
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3/4 of the finalists are Polish! :D
3/4 of the finalists are protosses :D
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Just because their country's name starts with a P... :'(
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idra didnt say gg to jf. is he that retarted?
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maybe he said it after the game...
+ Show Spoiler +didn't someone posted something like this about Louder too ? -_- drama from nothing...
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Wait, did this finish already? I don't see the VODs for the final 4.
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On November 13 2009 05:21 Zzoram wrote:
Wait, did this finish already? I don't see the VODs for the final 4.
read thread
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Eh...
I read thread and it all it gave me was links to streams where I either couldn't find the on demand lib (yours) or that had no games (day's). Soo, perhabs you should help us out here? Did this finish? And if yes, why haven't we seen a wrap up/finals thread (ya, I've seen "The Final 4") or an update of this one's OP?
Come on, you obviously put a lot of efort into this. Why on earth don't you give clear information on the finals!?
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because both Mistrzzz/Draco are holding it up, Draco's had some problems with his mom being sick and Mistrzzz has just been totally MIA - neither of them have logged on MSN in over a week, and I haven't been able to contact them =P!
so there aren't really any updates to give at this point.
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Ah, I see. Would've been nice if it was in the OP or something like that.
But thanks.
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Yeah, true. I only skimmed it, hence the mistake.
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whats up with neo requiem reps?
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