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On August 22 2009 07:44 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:43 starPride wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game. Thats not true at all.. expos happen alot and usually theres always 3 unit producing facilities atleast if ur orc. and if u get an expo u can have up to 4. 3 in the tier 2. unit production I saw yAws vs Hasuobs (human vs undead) and yAws expanded, and spammed towers to defend vs the first flying unit of the undead and teched to tier 3 when he just crushed hasuobs with a tanklike unit and flying units-_-; was insanely lame game.
its one of the many strats vs ud. It may seem like laming but the ud has equal opportunities to stop tanks. There are many counters but unfortuntly u have to have a deep understanding of wc3 to know how the counters work and what not. The answer to tanks tho is usually a frostwrym and a panda + 1-2 meatwagons and tanks wont do shit to ur base
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On August 22 2009 07:43 starPride wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game. Thats not true at all.. expos happen alot and usually theres always 3 unit producing facilities atleast if ur orc. and if u get an expo u can have up to 4. 3 in the tier 2. unit production
up to 4 unit producing facilities?!?! HOLY SHIT
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On August 22 2009 07:45 Han Solo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:43 G.s)NarutO wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Bosu wrote:
High level war3 is entertaining. All blizzcon games should be pretty good. The GOM invitational was incredible. I'm not even saying Warcraft 3 is no fun to play nor do I say it doesnt need skill, but its just such a failure as a spectator sport since you REALLY have to play and know the game to understand. Even if you don't know starcraft you can CLEARLY say who is winning a fight o.,o Pretty much. I love WC3 but it's a crap spectator sport. You have to have a near perfect understanding of the meta game to fully understand it, and only then is it really entertaining. I used to have that, but that was like a year ago, and some of the newer stuff, especially by TeD or TH000 is kind of weird to me.
Its not a bad spectator sport. I dont play it and have only watched streams and i understand the mechanics. I think the most important aspect with WC3 is good commentary on the streams.
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On August 22 2009 07:45 zurg wrote:there will be a achievment systeme like in wow
Will that affect the gameplay in multiplayer? Or just some cool thing to show of?
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On August 22 2009 07:46 stroggos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:43 starPride wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game. Thats not true at all.. expos happen alot and usually theres always 3 unit producing facilities atleast if ur orc. and if u get an expo u can have up to 4. 3 in the tier 2. unit production up to 4 unit producing facilities?!?! HOLY SHIT
Especially with the build times being like the same as Scouts on SC and not having to build peons all the time...
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On August 22 2009 07:47 Lobbo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:45 zurg wrote:there will be a achievment systeme like in wow Will that affect the gameplay in multiplayer? Or just some cool thing to show of?
something to show off only
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On August 22 2009 07:47 zerotol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:45 Han Solo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:43 G.s)NarutO wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Bosu wrote:
High level war3 is entertaining. All blizzcon games should be pretty good. The GOM invitational was incredible. I'm not even saying Warcraft 3 is no fun to play nor do I say it doesnt need skill, but its just such a failure as a spectator sport since you REALLY have to play and know the game to understand. Even if you don't know starcraft you can CLEARLY say who is winning a fight o.,o Pretty much. I love WC3 but it's a crap spectator sport. You have to have a near perfect understanding of the meta game to fully understand it, and only then is it really entertaining. I used to have that, but that was like a year ago, and some of the newer stuff, especially by TeD or TH000 is kind of weird to me. Its not a bad spectator sport. I dont play it and have only watched streams and i understand the mechanics. I think the most important aspect with WC3 is good commentary on the streams.
So you tell me you understand the battles to its full detail? Even our Warcraft 3 players could not tell who's winning in a huge wc3 battle for some time?... Its just not like you can predict how much damage your units will deal etc..;;
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On August 22 2009 07:45 zurg wrote:there will be a achievment systeme like in wow
Something is over 9000.
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may i ask if someone is streaming this? can i have a link?
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there is the b.net discussion going on on the other stage
don't spread it too much please (700 watcher right now) to avoid stream crashing or shut down like it happend to the other stream
EDIT: Removed link
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On August 22 2009 07:47 zerotol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:45 Han Solo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:43 G.s)NarutO wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Bosu wrote:
High level war3 is entertaining. All blizzcon games should be pretty good. The GOM invitational was incredible. I'm not even saying Warcraft 3 is no fun to play nor do I say it doesnt need skill, but its just such a failure as a spectator sport since you REALLY have to play and know the game to understand. Even if you don't know starcraft you can CLEARLY say who is winning a fight o.,o Pretty much. I love WC3 but it's a crap spectator sport. You have to have a near perfect understanding of the meta game to fully understand it, and only then is it really entertaining. I used to have that, but that was like a year ago, and some of the newer stuff, especially by TeD or TH000 is kind of weird to me. Its not a bad spectator sport. I dont play it and have only watched streams and i complete understand the mechanics. I think the most important aspect with WC3 is good commentary on the streams.
Trust me, if you don't play the game there is going be a lot of stuff they're doing that your just not seeing.
And yeah, good commentators is a must, which is why I wondered why the didn't get ToD or Rotterdam.
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On August 22 2009 07:45 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:43 starPride wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game. Thats not true at all.. expos happen alot and usually theres always 3 unit producing facilities atleast if ur orc. and if u get an expo u can have up to 4. 3 in the tier 2. unit production Basically my point was that up to 4 unit producing facilities and saving money being profitable at times because of the upkeep makes the macro and multitasking a joke.
Multi tasking is much different in wc3 then sc. its alot different then u think. when everyone gets 50 food they bank and they go over upkeep when they reach 1000+ gold depending on when they need the units.
Im not gonna argue wc3 over a person who has no knowledge of how the game works. There is alot of micro involved in wc3. The fights are much longer. and the fights open up alot of possibilities on how fights can be fought . and multi tasking involves things like harassing with 1 hero and creeping with ur other + army.
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yes, probably a cool thing to show of. Maybe your avatar like in war3.
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On August 22 2009 07:48 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:45 zurg wrote:there will be a achievment systeme like in wow Something is over 9000.
lol OVER 9000!
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I played lots of wc3 once upon a time, but the thing that made me stop was actually neither random damage or random items, but the fact that you had to kill creeps to expand. Couple that with the fact that you more or less have to have all your units by your hero all the time (unless you play blade master) the expanding process is a pain in the ass.
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On August 22 2009 07:48 starPride wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:45 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:43 starPride wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game. Thats not true at all.. expos happen alot and usually theres always 3 unit producing facilities atleast if ur orc. and if u get an expo u can have up to 4. 3 in the tier 2. unit production Basically my point was that up to 4 unit producing facilities and saving money being profitable at times because of the upkeep makes the macro and multitasking a joke. Multi tasking is much different in wc3 then sc. its alot different then u think. when everyone gets 50 food they bank and they go over upkeep when they reach 1000+ gold depending on when they need the units. Im not gonna argue wc3 over a person who has no knowledge of how the game works. There is alot of micro involved in wc3. The fights are much longer. and the fights open up alot of possibilities on how fights can be fought . and multi tasking involves things like harassing with 1 hero and creeping with ur other + army.
I know that's what you do and I know that that's why you have up to 4 unit producing facilities, since I had problems making grunts and burrows off 2 on 1 base. And I know that you're supposed to save gold. And I believe that that's what makes the macro and multitasking a joke. Creeping with your other hero and army you can just amove I guess?
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On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game.
Yeah because producing probes/scvs/drones is SO HARD.
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This "Make Public" thing is really really good. I know it from another game, but I'm not sure from what game.. but its really really nice.
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On August 22 2009 07:51 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 07:48 starPride wrote:On August 22 2009 07:45 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:43 starPride wrote:On August 22 2009 07:41 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2009 07:36 Onisparda wrote:
... drop the wc3 bashing they are different game and the only reason you guys dont like it is because you dont understand it as much as starcraft. I was practicing WC3... you barely get enough resources for 2 unit-producing facilities off one base and you normally expand extremely rarely. You normally have your entire army together. The amount of multitasking is far, far, far, far, far, far less, it's undeniable. You don't even have to produce peons for 90% of the game. Thats not true at all.. expos happen alot and usually theres always 3 unit producing facilities atleast if ur orc. and if u get an expo u can have up to 4. 3 in the tier 2. unit production Basically my point was that up to 4 unit producing facilities and saving money being profitable at times because of the upkeep makes the macro and multitasking a joke. Multi tasking is much different in wc3 then sc. its alot different then u think. when everyone gets 50 food they bank and they go over upkeep when they reach 1000+ gold depending on when they need the units. Im not gonna argue wc3 over a person who has no knowledge of how the game works. There is alot of micro involved in wc3. The fights are much longer. and the fights open up alot of possibilities on how fights can be fought . and multi tasking involves things like harassing with 1 hero and creeping with ur other + army. I know that's what you do and I know that that's why you have up to 4 unit producing facilities, since I had problems making grunts and burrows off 2 on 1 base. And I know that you're supposed to save gold. And I believe that that's what makes the macro and multitasking a joke. Creeping with your other hero and army you can just amove I guess?
u cant a ground creep or harass.... at all....
U have to posistion ur units and let certain units tank damage and when ur harassing u have to be extremely careful theres alot of things u dont understand ;D
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