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On April 24 2009 16:02 Oystein wrote:I don`t do anything similar to the way you do it.... I never use F keys or ALT either, and I do scroll all the time. In fact im pretty much doing the opposite of what your suggesting all the time 
You should start using the F keys alot. My guess is that it will improve your play immensely pretty fast, and since you're already pretty good thats awesome^^
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On April 24 2009 16:05 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2009 16:02 Oystein wrote:I don`t do anything similar to the way you do it.... I never use F keys or ALT either, and I do scroll all the time. In fact im pretty much doing the opposite of what your suggesting all the time You should start using the F keys alot. My guess is that it will improve your play immensely pretty fast, and since you're already pretty good thats awesome^^
Yeah I know, iv tried a few times, but it feels so awkward to use them that I always give up on it after a game or 2. In general I don`t use my left hand very much when I play. Mostly just for moving my army and making units (while I select all the buildings with my mouse manually). My left hand just have an awful dexterity and I am the biggest right hand user I know of, like I can`t do shit with my left hand, say I have a glass or bottle or whatever on my left side I will move it to my right hand to drink from it
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lol ok;) I wish i wasn't using my left hand so much, gives sooooo much room for improvement.
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looks riped from tasteless blog and day podcasts=P still nice of course
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I don't trust my pinky for anything except shift and ctrl.
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On April 24 2009 17:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I don't trust my pinky for anything except shift and ctrl.
use it for "a" aswell its awesome.
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On April 24 2009 16:34 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2009 16:05 StylishVODs wrote:On April 24 2009 16:02 Oystein wrote:I don`t do anything similar to the way you do it.... I never use F keys or ALT either, and I do scroll all the time. In fact im pretty much doing the opposite of what your suggesting all the time You should start using the F keys alot. My guess is that it will improve your play immensely pretty fast, and since you're already pretty good thats awesome^^ Yeah I know, iv tried a few times, but it feels so awkward to use them that I always give up on it after a game or 2. In general I don`t use my left hand very much when I play. Mostly just for moving my army and making units (while I select all the buildings with my mouse manually). My left hand just have an awful dexterity and I am the biggest right hand user I know of, like I can`t do shit with my left hand, say I have a glass or bottle or whatever on my left side I will move it to my right hand to drink from it
Wow. I would honestly try to start using your left hand 10x more for like 3 weeks. And I bet you'd move up in skill massively
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I love my left hand 
But i think hand placement is really just preference. a millisecond, as much as we would like to believe it's that important, really isn't. I didn't even know you could do alt+hotkey, but all my hatches are hotkeyed, soo...
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"I have no idea why people don't hk nexus to 09 explain it to me. I don't think they do. I've argued this a million times. Nobody has ever explained why."
Ok, it is simply a fact that bisu, janbi, kal, best, stork, pusan, do not use nexus on 098. free and much seem to use those keys sometimes to build probes, but it is not their main nexus key. Now the only thing is to find out why, and if it is more than simply preference. Here are some thoughts:
1) Your way you have two diff rent hand positions 'economy' to 'units' and have to switch between them. My way, you are not reaching all across the keyboard to switch positions constantly. If you look at it, the economy position is basically only good for building probes, and it does do that well. The point is if it is worth it. With nexus on 4, you only occasionally stretch to far numbers or p.
2)With nexus on 4 building probes with 4p as keys is only a stretch to hit p. With your two setups you have to constantly stretch between economy and units, so what is the difference anyway? It is easier to hit 1144 than 1100 to fly between nexus and units to check on them, but you have to be pretty accurate to hit 4 with index then p with index quickly. With 0p it is somewhat easier to build probes since 0 is close to p.
3) the difference between hitting 4key + use mouse to hit probe icon vs. using hand for 0-p or 4-p is negligible. Similar to how 55clickgoon66clickgoon77clickgoon vs 55d66d77d is.
Overall I would recommend something like janbi's 1for nexus and f2 for nat, or Bisus 4for nexus and f4for nat. But, not like it matters that much.
Also now that I I am in a game I realize it thumb index is annoying for bg also because thumb is just obnoxious and it is easy to hit space bar with thumb. Do index on b and middle on g.
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i found funny how his drawing get better while the guide goes on..
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I prefer F2 gates, F3 some nexus F4 some other nexus (main/natural early game, change them later). I don't usually find myself needing to rally a lot of gateways at once, but running workers or transferring them happens all the time.
This is the first time I've heard of using the alt key, but I could see myself hitting alt+f4, alt+q or alt+tab accidentally so I think I'll pass on that.
One thing that really helps me in PvZ is to hotkey templars to 4, 5, 6, 7. Since I have F2 for gateways anyway and units on 1,2,3.
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On April 24 2009 23:41 Knickknack wrote:
"I have no idea why people don't hk nexus to 09 explain it to me. I don't think they do. I've argued this a million times. Nobody has ever explained why."
Ok, it is simply a fact that bisu, janbi, kal, best, stork, pusan, do not use nexus on 098. free and much seem to use those keys sometimes to build probes, but it is not their main nexus key. Now the only thing is to find out why, and if it is more than simply preference. Here are some thoughts:
1) Your way you have two diff rent hand positions 'economy' to 'units' and have to switch between them. My way, you are not reaching all across the keyboard to switch positions constantly. If you look at it, the economy position is basically only good for building probes, and it does do that well. The point is if it is worth it. With nexus on 4, you only occasionally stretch to far numbers or p.
2)With nexus on 4 building probes with 4p as keys is only a stretch to hit p. With your two setups you have to constantly stretch between economy and units, so what is the difference anyway? It is easier to hit 1144 than 1100 to fly between nexus and units to check on them, but you have to be pretty accurate to hit 4 with index then p with index quickly. With 0p it is somewhat easier to build probes since 0 is close to p.
3) the difference between hitting 4key + use mouse to hit probe icon vs. using hand for 0-p or 4-p is negligible. Similar to how 55clickgoon66clickgoon77clickgoon vs 55d66d77d is.
Overall I would recommend something like janbi's 1for nexus and f2 for nat, or Bisus 4for nexus and f4for nat. But, not like it matters that much.
Also now that I I am in a game I realize it thumb index is annoying for bg also because thumb is just obnoxious and it is easy to hit space bar with thumb. Do index on b and middle on g.
I'll disagree w/ 3. I bet I could do a time test.
2 & 1
hmmm I see what you mean...
Give me your whole hk setup from 1-0 so I can think about. I see some problems... but I can't be sure until I know your setup.
@ Nytefish rip out all those keys. Read mylosttemples pro keyboard guide. Basically, buy a 10$ keyboard and take out those keys.
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It's quite hard to switch peripherals on my desktop computer, so I'd rather not.
It would be interesting to know how many progamers use the alt or space bar key.
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I really have to disagree that Pressing alt and then a number is faster then double clicking.
1. If what you mean is alt+0 to get to your nexus, than theres no diference in that and pressing 00
2. If you just press alt and it goes somewhere, it might be a bit more useful, but still it will save you .000001 second to move.
I'm pretty sure no progamers use the alt and spacebar because they can move their hands fast enough. If you don't have to think about where you move your hands while playing, you are all set tbh and it will become one with your mind
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Interesting guide, I never really used my pinky + ring finger too much but now I'm gonna incorporate them more. :D
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I disagree with the majority of your positions. Ring on 1 and pinky on a seems incredible jammed, especially if you are trying to line up middle and index as well.
Also, refering to it as your "retard" finger surely kills a lot of your credibility.
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the only keys i use on my keyboard are the letters for the buildings/unit commands, shift to add units in my unit group + using shift for probes after they do an action so they come back automaticly and ctrl 1 - 0 for units only, i manually come back to my gates when i want to produce 
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I tried using the F keys for probe production. If I can get used to it from my instinct to 0p9p8p than it will be beneficial to me. It really does improve multitasking despite being oddly placed on the computer. You have to have high apm though because someone with 150 probably will fail at using F keys for probe production
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Using alt seems totally pointless. Not only does double tapping take like 0.05 seconds longer than a single tap, but if you like me have alt on the right side of the windows key, you'll have to twist your hands really awkwardly. And the windows key is the other problem - if you are quickly switching from the left hand to the right hand side of the keyboard, you run the risk of tabbing out of the game for hardly any gain whatsoever.
A lot of these things depends solely on how long your fingers are and how your keyboard looks anyway, so you can't standardize them.
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