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! Day[9] Podcasts E14: TvZ on Heartbreak Ridge - Page 11

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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
April 09 2009 17:58 GMT
#201
Man I can't wait for sc2 when I can apply this advice....
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
ZzZzAnG
Profile Joined May 2008
United States109 Posts
April 09 2009 18:29 GMT
#202
i was wondering if you can give some advice how to get use to use macro keys like f2f3f4 or hotkeying 1 factory or gate,as a terran player i can never get use to using those methods of f keys and just macroing like 4t5t6v7v8v or something similar i just go to my base and click my factories or barracks and ithink thats too slow and i get behind somehow
ZoMg -,.-
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
April 09 2009 18:50 GMT
#203
On April 10 2009 03:29 ZzZzAnG wrote:
i was wondering if you can give some advice how to get use to use macro keys like f2f3f4 or hotkeying 1 factory or gate,as a terran player i can never get use to using those methods of f keys and just macroing like 4t5t6v7v8v or something similar i just go to my base and click my factories or barracks and ithink thats too slow and i get behind somehow

I dont think there's much that can be said to help you with that. That's got alot more to do with muscle memory.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
Shadowfury333
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada314 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 18:57:49
April 09 2009 18:55 GMT
#204
Question 1: What is the best way of keeping your hands and wrists in good shape to be able to play without getting too sore? Alternately, how in the world did you manage to play even 4 hours a day, let alone 12, without getting killed by RSI?

Question 2: What questions should one ask oneself to determine what race they would most enjoy playing?
Darkness called...but I was on the phone, so I missed him. I tried to *69 darkness, but his machine picked up. I yelled "Pick up the phone, Darkness", but he ignored me. Darkness must have been screening his calls.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 09 2009 19:03 GMT
#205
On April 10 2009 03:29 ZzZzAnG wrote:
i was wondering if you can give some advice how to get use to use macro keys like f2f3f4 or hotkeying 1 factory or gate,as a terran player i can never get use to using those methods of f keys and just macroing like 4t5t6v7v8v or something similar i just go to my base and click my factories or barracks and ithink thats too slow and i get behind somehow

From what I remember, Jaedong often only hotkeys one hatchery if there's a cluster, and goes to that screen and selects the larva from all those hatcheries with the mouse.

You kinda need to switch screens and select production factories for protoss and terran because there's no way you will be able to control your units effectively by using up too many hotkeys for production buildings, nor will you even be able to hotkey a meaningful number of production buildings anyway. If you watch some FPVODs of progamers, you see that they all click on their buildings like madmen, especially in the typical bio TvZ.

So you switching screens to click your stuff is the right way to go about it, but you should get accustomed to assigning an F key to your building cluster or a hotkey to one of the buildings in the cluster or something.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 09 2009 19:09 GMT
#206
On April 10 2009 03:55 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Question 1: What is the best way of keeping your hands and wrists in good shape to be able to play without getting too sore? Alternately, how in the world did you manage to play even 4 hours a day, let alone 12, without getting killed by RSI?

Question 2: What questions should one ask oneself to determine what race they would most enjoy playing?


you wanna see armys melting under your units fire even though you have inferior force, or like turtinlin? --> Terran

youn wanna send shittone of units with shitton of HP and like aoe spells + static defense >-> Protoss

If not you are a Zerg player
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 09 2009 19:34 GMT
#207
Well, I think that this isn't just saying "all you C+ players go smurf D level kekeke". I mean, this advice can apply to anyone who's not JUST starting out, because there's a lower tier of players for anyone even around D+.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
April 09 2009 19:34 GMT
#208
On April 10 2009 02:58 n.DieJokes wrote:
Man I can't wait for sc2 when I can apply this advice....



Unless SC2 AMM is total shit, you should be playing against players pretty close in skill to yourself. Hopefully they fix the abuse that plagues the current war3 AMM.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
April 09 2009 19:51 GMT
#209
These are really helpful. I'm not a Zerg player, but they are entertaining to listen to at the very least. Appreciate it.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
April 09 2009 20:13 GMT
#210
Wow, I love your recordings. This is some really insightful, unique stuff. If you were to pair up with Nick doing english commentary, that would be a combo that just couldn't be beat.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 22:54:31
April 09 2009 22:54 GMT
#211
On April 10 2009 03:55 Shadowfury333 wrote:Question 2: What questions should one ask oneself to determine what race they would most enjoy playing?
Am I a man? If yes, play Zerg. If no, play some other race. ^_^
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 09 2009 23:16 GMT
#212
I've been wondering this for quite a while and I've had some experience with it though I've never fully tested it out; how to control the game. You have already put out a podcast on "how to win with advantage" where u talked all about how you "seal the deal" to put it. But I want to know if there is something more to it that makes you able to "control the game".

I figure this question is really vague and impossible to answer -- well "being better" is not quite the answer I'm looking for. I've listened to all your casts and through out em all I keep hearing small bits of answer but I can't say it clearly popped up into my head just yet -- maybe because there just is no secret to it? Really, if you knew how to control the game you would not be losing right?

Ok so while typing this (lol) I figure (again) that I might have to rephrase the question "how to make the game play out as you want" ok that sounds better let me just give you an example. You talked about a game at requiem where the protoss went for a fast zealot build and cut off your ramp - in a sense he chosed how the game was going to play out from that point, microoriented and gave you an ultimatium - break out or die. While you could have dropped you killed off the defense and from there -- you controlled the game. I want to know if you have any general tips on how you make the other player always have to adjust to YOUR style and not vice versa, always giving him the tough options and giving you the shortcuts, screwing with his mindset. Almost every game that I really felt like "shit I got owned" the other player had this advantage. Is there a secret in genral to this or is it that the other player outplayed the other?

Lol I realized that I came to a few conclusions myself but ran into some new questions while typing this down. (its late here)

Perhaps you can make sense of this, if not just leave it be.



Btw sweet podcasts can't wait for the next one!
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 09 2009 23:26 GMT
#213
On April 10 2009 04:09 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2009 03:55 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Question 1: What is the best way of keeping your hands and wrists in good shape to be able to play without getting too sore? Alternately, how in the world did you manage to play even 4 hours a day, let alone 12, without getting killed by RSI?

Question 2: What questions should one ask oneself to determine what race they would most enjoy playing?


you wanna see armys melting under your units fire even though you have inferior force, or like turtinlin? --> Terran

youn wanna send shittone of units with shitton of HP and like aoe spells + static defense >-> Protoss

If not you are a Zerg player


More like this, if you like massive firepower and Boxer chose terran.

If you like dark templar and faggoty play, tho protoss have MANTOSS I give u that much, chose protoss.

If you like mass units that never end and aliens, chose zerg.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
April 09 2009 23:34 GMT
#214
Thank you very much day. I'm looking very much forward to your zerg podcasts. I need all the help I can get.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 09 2009 23:35 GMT
#215
Well, my actual advice is to find something you like. For instance, Boxer chose Terran because he liked to use dropship strategies. If you have an idea like that in mind, I feel like you'll be happier with your choice in the end.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
April 10 2009 01:14 GMT
#216
I think there are some koreans listening to Day[9].
I just played a B korean zerg... and I'm D. He came by the D channel and started asking people for games.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 10 2009 03:04 GMT
#217
On April 10 2009 08:16 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I've been wondering this for quite a while and I've had some experience with it though I've never fully tested it out; how to control the game. You have already put out a podcast on "how to win with advantage" where u talked all about how you "seal the deal" to put it. But I want to know if there is something more to it that makes you able to "control the game".

I figure this question is really vague and impossible to answer -- well "being better" is not quite the answer I'm looking for. I've listened to all your casts and through out em all I keep hearing small bits of answer but I can't say it clearly popped up into my head just yet -- maybe because there just is no secret to it? Really, if you knew how to control the game you would not be losing right?

Ok so while typing this (lol) I figure (again) that I might have to rephrase the question "how to make the game play out as you want" ok that sounds better let me just give you an example. You talked about a game at requiem where the protoss went for a fast zealot build and cut off your ramp - in a sense he chosed how the game was going to play out from that point, microoriented and gave you an ultimatium - break out or die. While you could have dropped you killed off the defense and from there -- you controlled the game. I want to know if you have any general tips on how you make the other player always have to adjust to YOUR style and not vice versa, always giving him the tough options and giving you the shortcuts, screwing with his mindset. Almost every game that I really felt like "shit I got owned" the other player had this advantage. Is there a secret in genral to this or is it that the other player outplayed the other?

Lol I realized that I came to a few conclusions myself but ran into some new questions while typing this down. (its late here)

Perhaps you can make sense of this, if not just leave it be.



Btw sweet podcasts can't wait for the next one!
Well, I think that if you want to do something like that, you have to plan it out before the game. For instance, if you go 2-hatch muta, he usually has to morph his first two high templar into an archon. If you think about his reactions to your moves, and plan your next move based on that, I think you could end up "controlling the game" like you say. Still, I'm too much of a chobo to be sure.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
April 10 2009 03:11 GMT
#218
On April 10 2009 03:55 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Question 1: What is the best way of keeping your hands and wrists in good shape to be able to play without getting too sore? Alternately, how in the world did you manage to play even 4 hours a day, let alone 12, without getting killed by RSI?

Question 2: What questions should one ask oneself to determine what race they would most enjoy playing?

take regular breaks like either 5 mins after 30 mins or 10 mins after an hour. Get up let your blood circulate, stretch like wrists, shoulders, etc, when you play try to play with good posture,
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
ReCharge
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Philippines505 Posts
April 10 2009 03:22 GMT
#219
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threepool
Profile Joined March 2009
United States150 Posts
April 10 2009 03:44 GMT
#220
On April 10 2009 12:11 Ilikestarcraft wrote:take regular breaks like either 5 mins after 30 mins or 10 mins after an hour. Get up let your blood circulate, stretch like wrists, shoulders, etc, when you play try to play with good posture,

This is a good system. My 1 minute rest every 5 minutes didn't work very well. (my opponent expanded and built up an army and stuff, wtf?)
This is my *house*. Do you want to know a *secret*? Do not *think* it too *not campers*. You are so many *lonely* *juicy* *bubbles*. It is so sad. Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*.
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