EPTValkyries are mineral intensive while Vessels are gas intensive, so that's a plus for Valks, but it seems like you would need to upgrade your Valkyries in order for them to be effective against 3/3, 2/2, or even 1/1 Mutalisks. So, which one?
[Q] TvZ Mech vs mass Muta
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
Valkyries are mineral intensive while Vessels are gas intensive, so that's a plus for Valks, but it seems like you would need to upgrade your Valkyries in order for them to be effective against 3/3, 2/2, or even 1/1 Mutalisks. So, which one? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8021 Posts
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
Late game vessels Main reason is valks start sucking because of the pixel thing late game and also when mutalisk upgrades kick in your valks wont do anymore dmg, unless you upgrade them but having 3-4 armories is a nono | ||
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Steelflight-Rx
United States1389 Posts
gols have longer range (esp with booster) so once they reach critical mass, they will shred a muta force before it even gets into range i think the main problem is when the zerg adds in lings or high tech units (defiler etc) i think spending extra minerals on vulture + mine would probably help, but im no terran or zerg player, just a suggestion | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
if you have expereinced inverse, you messed up the parts befor the battle But, if you are searching for sg to support your goliaths those are the valkyries /possibly vessels | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
sorry for the noob qn: If the zerg goes 2hatch lurk or 3hatch lurk when u are doing fantasy strat what is the counter to the lurkers (given that there is no scan and ebay is building). I'm thinking vults with mines and a helluva lot of micro involved. if the zerg lingbombs the mines would that mean gg to the terran? | ||
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Synneby
Sweden61 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Mutalisks can fight on even ground against goliaths if both sides are in smaller numbers and if they're not upgraded, but as the game goes on and both sides get upgraded and the numbers start to increase, pure mutalisks will lose to pure goliaths. If your goliaths can't beat off mutalisks in the later stages of the game, then it's either because your upgrades are really behind, because you didn't produce enough goliaths, or you let the zerg solidify his economy way too much. It shouldn't be difficult to beat pure mutalisks; generally the problem I see is either the terran or the zerg having a bad goliath/tank, mutalisk/hydra composition against the opponents unit composition and losing because of it during the midgame. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
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meathook
1289 Posts
Still, vessels are preferable if you have enough gas for them, simply because they are more useful units in every way and once you get enough of them you can irradiate and matrix stuff infinitely.. On March 14 2009 03:52 JFKWT wrote: k i just searched "mech lurker" and couldnt find it so i decided to bring it up here even though it might be a little off topic. sorry for the noob qn: If the zerg goes 2hatch lurk or 3hatch lurk when u are doing fantasy strat what is the counter to the lurkers (given that there is no scan and ebay is building). I'm thinking vults with mines and a helluva lot of micro involved. if the zerg lingbombs the mines would that mean gg to the terran? Zerg would have to be an idiot to go 3 or even 2 hatch lurker against the fantasy build. That's why you can't find anything about it. If he should happen to do it, though, just contain him with mines and wait for scan/turrets.. again, why would he make lurkers when you are dropping his main with vultures? EDIT: On March 14 2009 04:36 EscPlan9 wrote: To see mass muta vs almost all goliaths, check out F91 v Strelok. I think it was one of their later matches where Strelok went for it. The mutas just obliterated the goliaths as well as Streloks bases. Goliaths need supporting units against a lot of muta. I don't think that is a very good example as Strelok was playing beyond shitty.. the whole series and esp. that game. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Honestly, with a good balanced vulture, gol, tank army (which responds to zergs combo), good positioning and decent micro, gols can handle muta on their own. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On March 14 2009 04:36 EscPlan9 wrote: To see mass muta vs almost all goliaths, check out F91 v Strelok. I think it was one of their later matches where Strelok went for it. The mutas just obliterated the goliaths as well as Streloks bases. Goliaths need supporting units against a lot of muta. F91 had like twice as many (if not more) mutas as Strelok had gols at nearly all points in the game... | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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q2on
United States11 Posts
"Critical mass" is an exponential thing. The more units you kill, the less units you lose, and more units you can kill in the next wave of attacks while suffering even fewer casualties. As for what the exact tipping point is in terms of numbers and upgrades, I don't know. I'd say you need a hell of a lot of mutalisks late game to compete with gols. | ||
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