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On December 17 2008 21:08 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
so you admit that the build exist then?
thnx
yep the 1fact 1port is not very good doing vs this build vs a really good gamer, thats true, works very well on iccup up to B level though. Anyway this whole big discussion appeared when you said my 1fact cc vult build didnt exist...
so you would move out with 2 first tanks vs the fact cc vult build? i dont think so.
the build exists in that you can theoretically make units and buildings in the order you described
but no, no one uses the build that you were describing, the vod you posted is of a build that is entirely different than what you were describing, and ESPECIALLY no one would ever use the build you were describing if they believed you were doing anything other than fac cc. so no it does not exist.
the whole discussion actually appeared when you said we should wait for 5-6 tanks to attack when going fac port vs fac cc. which is horribly wrong.
and yes, you do attack with your first 2 tanks and 4-5+ marines +your first wraith when doing fac port vs any kind of fac cc, vulture builds especially since vulture production takes off very quickly, since they can afford to add factories fastest and because you want to get there before the upgrades kick in
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yes it does exist, you've said you dont even know what im talking about so maybe you shouldnt argue then.
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i said i dont know what you're talking about because it makes absolutely no sense that you're claiming someone would open vults, make a few, and then switch to gol tank in such a way that they have few enough mines that they cant contain you and few enough tanks that they cant hold your attack.
its cute how you try to focus everything on the stupid counter build you made up since you realized you were wrong about the fac/port attack timing (the thing this thread is actually about)
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the thing ive tried to defend for most of the thread and which im certain of is the build ive tried to describe to you. i dont focus everything on anything, im just abit bored discussion things with you...
after he has made his goliaths there is no reason to add 2 more vult instead of two tanks with mode when the opponent is aiming for the push.
Also whats with the flaming of Naugrim? you just call people noob left and right nowadays... you got attitudeproblems.
this will be the last thing i post on this thread. say whatever bm things you want, and then get back to practice instead of wasting time here..
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do you seriously not get what you're doing
you said it was good to wait for 5/6 tanks to attack with a fac port build
everyone tells you thats wrong
you say "nonono its good if he does this specific build"
and then spend the rest of the thread trying to convince us that that specific build is ever even used
do you still not get it?
ya probably not, oh well
and they wont add more tanks because more vultures is better. the fac/port is gonna have more tanks because it was going tanks from the beginning. however the tanks are weak vs mines and you only have 1 fac production, meaning you have no way to both defend vs vulture counters and attack, and if you dont attack then you're way behind in econ, and eventually you'll get rolled.
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Spenguin
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Wow, the biggest argument I have seen that doesn't involve religion or current affairs, but Starcraft! Epic advice Idra really your time over there has given you a bigger idea on the game 
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On December 17 2008 21:47 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
the thing ive tried to defend for most of the thread and which im certain of is the build ive tried to describe to you. i dont focus everything on anything, im just abit bored discussion things with you...
after he has made his goliaths there is no reason to add 2 more vult instead of two tanks with mode when the opponent is aiming for the push.
Also whats with the flaming of Naugrim? you just call people noob left and right nowadays... you got attitudeproblems.
this will be the last thing i post on this thread. say whatever bm things you want, and then get back to practice instead of wasting time here..
To see someone that proud that he just can't admit that maybe his opponent who is 5000 times more experienced than him could be right is just pathetic.
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On December 17 2008 21:47 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
the thing ive tried to defend for most of the thread and which im certain of is the build ive tried to describe to you. i dont focus everything on anything, im just abit bored discussion things with you...
after he has made his goliaths there is no reason to add 2 more vult instead of two tanks with mode when the opponent is aiming for the push.
Also whats with the flaming of Naugrim? you just call people noob left and right nowadays... you got attitudeproblems.
this will be the last thing i post on this thread. say whatever bm things you want, and then get back to practice instead of wasting time here..
Red herring.
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Random swedish guy vs CJ member  . Even if idra wasn't good, he's still surrounded by great players that know their shit, and usually that rubs off on people that are around them. I'm pretty sure idra knows what he is talkin about, and the fact that you say "ahhh so you admit the build does exist" i think he's been sayin the entire time it exists, but sucks except vs 1 build that was origianlly completely irrelavent to the conversation. This is 1 fac 1 port, not vult-->cc with some bogus counter, stop giving yourself attention :\. I liked this thread at first even for myself who generally knows this stuff even though i gave up playin tvt, but now you have gone and ruined it -_-.
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AnOth3rDAy can you just post a replay of the build so people know what you are talking about?
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awww the thread started out so nicely too plexa you should have closed it when you had the chance!
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iono
its kinda funny to see someone arguing against idra
we've got a mole in a progaming team thats giving us advice =)
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dont mock him for arguing with someone better than him
mock him for not knowing what the fuck he was talking about and being a stubborn prick about it
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I wouldn't mock anyone. This thread provided some quality entertainment for sure. And I learned a thing or two along the way. Thanks guys!
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Either way IdrA I think you are better off not talking to walls. You would save alot of time in the future if you can recognize people that have no sense of understanding and to stubborn to be compromising, an he has too much pride to admit any of his faults.
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EPT
