• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:26
CEST 06:26
KST 13:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun12[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event4Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) [BSL22] RO16 Group A - Sunday 21:00 CEST [BSL22] RO16 Group B - Saturday 21:00 CEST RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1192 users

[G] How to stop 4-5pools with every race - Page 3

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 28 2008 23:12 GMT
#41
On November 28 2008 23:59 Empyrean wrote:
I don't know why the Zerg didn't target your gateway/probes more instead of the pylon. He sees two pylon but still decides to try and destroy one of them what the fuck? He'd be better off if he picks off some probes/harasses the gateway instead of killing one of the two pylons powering the gateway.

Also your splits weren't that great

Haha, you're still probably better than I am

Reason why is because I have to press F8 to start recording, Ctrl+Alt+Insert to start winamp song, and then split. Try it lol
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
November 28 2008 23:23 GMT
#42
On November 29 2008 08:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2008 21:04 Final_Judicator wrote:
On November 28 2008 19:04 3clipse wrote:
1st video; what the hell is that music? I can't decide if I like it, but I'm curious...


lol, her voice is sexy.

You're such a tease. xD
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 28 2008 23:47 GMT
#43
If you click the link to the video I stated the artists.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
November 29 2008 01:48 GMT
#44
Ah, pardon my laziness.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-29 21:39:39
November 29 2008 21:16 GMT
#45
I have a bunch of other stupid song videos in my profile showing 3-10 minute early-mid games with these same openers vs pubs.

Such as this:

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
November 29 2008 22:03 GMT
#46
SMAQ!! WHERE IS HE?!
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8074 Posts
November 30 2008 00:10 GMT
#47
On November 27 2008 21:08 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2008 20:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
The terran one is retarded: everybody can stop a 4 pool with 8 rax. The problem is: you don't know that 4 pool is coming and you go 11 rax.

And you die.

On bb I always open with 9rax/10depot vs zerg or random sometimes even vs protoss. Its perfectly viable and will stop a 5pool (i'm pretty sure) but 8rax is guaranteed to stop the 4pool.
If they don't rush when I 9 rax I just make 1 marine and a 2nd barracks/depot sooner.

It's pretty hard to fit all the 'what ifs' into the video, it would just be an endless stream of tangents (sorta like a combat-X vid, but actually correct).
Basically all these builds are pretty safe to open with vs anything. That was the point of all the videos.

btw, I've never opened 11rax on BB.

As everybody or almost opens 11 rax vs zerg, there must be a way of fighting efficiently 4 pool with workers while rax/bunker is on the way.

If not, every zerg in the world and especially in pro gaming would open 4 pool, which I almost never see in ZvT.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 01:10:18
November 30 2008 01:09 GMT
#48
[image loading]


It's map specific. Lemme pull out the OP for you.

I made a bunch of videos about stopping 4 and 5 pools on BB with every race. So if it works here, it'll work (or a variation of it will work on a larger map).
Ghost151
Profile Joined May 2008
United States290 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 01:44:30
November 30 2008 01:43 GMT
#49
On November 30 2008 06:16 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I have a bunch of other stupid song videos in my profile showing 3-10 minute early-mid games with these same openers vs pubs.

Such as this:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFhRpVJprcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkys454SuqY


LMAO at C&C music factory in the first vid
fuck art its a competition if you dont get pissed off when you lose you dont care enough - Idra, on the "art" of RTS games.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 30 2008 01:53 GMT
#50
Nice vids if you are actually playing BB but I was expecting the standard PvZ forge FE, TvZ 11rax, and 9/overpool ZvZ on regular 3-4 player medium sized maps. Still better than nothing though.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 30 2008 02:49 GMT
#51
On November 30 2008 10:43 Ghost151 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2008 06:16 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I have a bunch of other stupid song videos in my profile showing 3-10 minute early-mid games with these same openers vs pubs.

Such as this:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFhRpVJprcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkys454SuqY


LMAO at C&C music factory in the first vid

I made about 22 of these BB public noob rape videos playing random. So there are quite a diverse set of opening builds and stuff in there.
Mostly though, 9pool speed/burrowling to 3 hatch lings.
10/12 gate zeal harass /canoning.
8/9/11 rax MnM timing attack
or Wall to Mech.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
November 30 2008 03:02 GMT
#52
NICE WORK CHARLIE, maybe its map dependant but its a nice add to the strategy section, because it covers the basics points. People that want a variation for other maps or BOs should work at least a little, fucking crying lazy bastards. Nice music for BW.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
November 30 2008 03:22 GMT
#53
1.16 works well on Hamachi~
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
Phrujbaz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Netherlands512 Posts
November 30 2008 18:22 GMT
#54
Terran vs 4/5 pool on python:

from 1 rax fe
bunker as soon as you see lings come in, scv + marine micro
do not block ramp or do anything silly like that
your objective is to lose the least number of scvs possible and clumping them all up right in his face isn't going to help.
if you have slow reflexes, you can send out a second scv scout at the proper timing to have a little bit more reaction time (you see lings enter your nat). If you don't see any lings at the 4/5pool timing, just send this "scout" back to mine.

After defending, take gas and acad. Play standard 1rax acad vs 1base tech Z.

Building placement is of the utmost importance, you just have to practice it. Get someone to 4/5pool against you every game and figure out good spots for supply rax, bunker, 2nd supply, acad, etc. Make sure your building placement is still fine if your opponent plays standard.
Caution! Future approaching rapidly at a rate of about 60 seconds per minute.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 30 2008 19:47 GMT
#55
On December 01 2008 03:22 Phrujbaz wrote:
Terran vs 4/5 pool on python:

from 1 rax fe
bunker as soon as you see lings come in, scv + marine micro
do not block ramp or do anything silly like that
your objective is to lose the least number of scvs possible and clumping them all up right in his face isn't going to help.
if you have slow reflexes, you can send out a second scv scout at the proper timing to have a little bit more reaction time (you see lings enter your nat). If you don't see any lings at the 4/5pool timing, just send this "scout" back to mine.

After defending, take gas and acad. Play standard 1rax acad vs 1base tech Z.

Building placement is of the utmost importance, you just have to practice it. Get someone to 4/5pool against you every game and figure out good spots for supply rax, bunker, 2nd supply, acad, etc. Make sure your building placement is still fine if your opponent plays standard.

lol stopped reading right there.
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
November 30 2008 20:03 GMT
#56
This is on BLOOD BATH omg

Stop saying "use some standard BOs", at least request a change of map if you're gonna do that
I will eat you alive
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 30 2008 20:13 GMT
#57
He specified it was on python, but the fact that he said holding his ramp against a 5pool is "silly" is silly.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
January 04 2009 00:27 GMT
#58
My Youtube account was deleted, did anyone save these videos by any chance?
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=84861
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 04 2009 15:27 GMT
#59
great loss charlie this videos were a "must have". please tell me theres a copy somewhere.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Teh_Arbitur
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden60 Posts
January 04 2009 18:16 GMT
#60
hmm, i personally hate bloodbath.

(when i play Terran)I usually get a early rack (early enough to counter a 4 pool) then get factories so i've never had problems with a 4 pool before from what i can remember.

fearus wrote: How is Bisu going to be able to concentrate with his striking good looks staring back at him? Conspiracy!!!!
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSL S1: Ro12 Group A
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 212
NeuroSwarm 180
ProTech139
PiLiPiLi 35
PattyMac 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Mind 118
ZergMaN 12
Icarus 9
League of Legends
JimRising 640
Counter-Strike
taco 925
Other Games
summit1g7084
WinterStarcraft530
monkeys_forever501
C9.Mang0441
ViBE55
ToD8
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1200
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream85
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt298
Other Games
• Scarra1548
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 34m
RSL Revival
5h 34m
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
6h 34m
Percival vs Shameless
ByuN vs YoungYakov
IPSL
11h 34m
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
14h 34m
Replay Cast
19h 34m
RSL Revival
1d 5h
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 9h
BSL
1d 14h
IPSL
1d 14h
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
4 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
5 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.