[G] PvT Guide - Page 2

On October 24 2008 11:18 infinity21 wrote:

This is a ploy to increase your post count! Sneaky :o

On October 24 2008 11:21 ScarFace wrote:
Hopefully you do a pvz and pvp guide, but this looks like really hard work, so just thanks a lot for the guide. If you happen to do more...thanks even more!

On October 25 2008 07:52 Shauni wrote:
Good guide. A few things I'd like to point out though.

Arbiters are often done on 2 bases. I do it all the time on certain maps. Lately I've also been playing a lot on 2 base until they are mined out, trying to cut off every third base Terran does while recalling / forcing him to massturret and so on. I know it's not as standard as earlier third, but I find myself a lot more successful with staying on two. That way you never give away map control to terran, which you are forced to do if you 3 base. But yeah, it doesn't work on maps like Othello where 3rd is so easy to take.

On October 26 2008 04:11 Knickknack wrote:
Always appreciate guides. Good presentation, writing, etc. A lot of it could have been summed up more neatly though.
btw did you want a strengths/weakness section for hard 2gate goon? I was expecting to see "- worse economy" here since you put "+good economy" for the other two.

Of course same issue as most guides in that if they suck at macro/build efficiency they will have major problems anyway and this will hardly help them. You lay out a basic plan well enough but I think you give hardly any attention to timing.

Anyway, to sum up your scouting reaction:
base: 8p,10gate,12assim,14core,15p,17goon,20range, 21goon, 24p...
see all scv on gas - add +2gate (no robo) expo after 6 goon.
see some scv off gas - 1gate (no robo) expo after 3 goon..."continue as normal".
see nothing much - add +1gate at 20-25psi, then robo, expo after 6-8goon.

That was not stated so clearly and there is discrepancy between your game plan and your builds orders section which is why it took me so long to work though this. You have "1 gate goon / tech", but when do you ever go robo off of one gate? From reading I see your opening build plan is +2gateways, or expand in a bit. Then "2 gate goon - slower tech" is basically what you do when you have no clue, and that is +1gate before robo. The thing to note here is that if you see terrans scv count on gas it will be before the time to build a robo...that is why based on what you write i never see you going 1gate robo.

I find your build plan a bit odd. The main thing being 6gateway before 3rd nexus yet you want to call this a three base build. To keep 6gateways pumping and probes pumping requires a lot of money...and so rather late expo. You do say to stop unit production for a nexus, but how about not building so many gates to begin with? Your BO for midgame is hazy to me and does not make sense to me regarding efficiency/timing. Reps could clear this up.

There is many small things to comment on such as "Suicide a probe to his ramp" Ever see anyone good do this? Uh how about just letting a goon take some hits to see what it can see. Anyway I'll leave it here. Might seem harsh, but who else is going to point this stuff out. Again, appreciate it.